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 Octopoid wrote:

dhallnet wrote:

 Octopoid wrote:

dhallnet wrote:

 Octopoid wrote:

dhallnet wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.

And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?

Because, naturally, as soon as he is employed by GW, he won't make a sequel. That's a clear and logical assumption, based on... um... reasons.

You understand that his past work is available only on GW's platform and that he is now making the next instalment for them ?

Yes. I bet GW paid for his work and employed his skills so he could NOT do what made him popular in the first place, and instead are planning to shutter his work, after just advertising it to the whole world. That makes sense. <nod>

?
They employed him so he could make stuff for them so that they can sell that too instead of letting him release stuff for free, in competition with their own plans. I'm just wondering what happens of the patreons in this context. Is this too hard to get ?

It's not too hard to get. It just seems like Chicken Little-ing that the sky is falling when we don't know what his contract is, or what his plans are, or what GW's plans are for that matter. Calmate, muchacho, and wait to moan about GW ruining things AFTER they've done so.

Just as you could tone down the attitude and just say that maybe it will be released for free ( ) or whatever instead of playing tough internet guy.
Anyhow.

The link to all original Astartes videos is here: https://archive.org/details/Warhammer40kFanFilmAstartes

If you want them, I'd suggest you get them ASAP, far more mainstream content has disappeared from the web (though not really, if you know where to look).

 Octopoid wrote:


It's not too hard to get. It just seems like Chicken Little-ing that the sky is falling when we don't know what his contract is, or what his plans are, or what GW's plans are for that matter. Calmate, muchacho, and wait to moan about GW ruining things AFTER they've done so.

From historical expiriance I can tell you that doing that after everything is done and finished means nothing. At best you can moral grand stand, if you happen to live in another country and not be effected by the bad stuff, but that is more or less it.

Plus I don't even get the whole IP thing from GW. Everyone was saying that GW is protecting their own stuff, only for a guy at my store to show me of compilation of GW BL novels and from where the faces have be traced off. And most aren't just some random pictures, but books from other companies. So it is okey if GW takes other people stuff, but it is not okey if someone does a fan movie. That makes no sense.

Wasnt particularly impressed by Astartes tbh. Helsreach is the only "proper" 40K video I've seen yet. I hope The Angels Of Death will be of comparable quality, as in, an actual flocking story instead of just dialogueless bolter pron for 12-yr olds.

That new T'au feature, Exodite was it? dunno about that either.. The Iron Warriors one looks visually good but I have no idea what the storytelling's going to be like

Anyways, I still have to acknowledge GW is doing the right thing by making these fanfic projects official.. They'll undoubtedly turn out to be better than what they could release themselves, so at least something.. Must feel good for the authors too to get recognition like that.

But if they become GW official they fall under the GW copyright law, and that one goes against a lot of other countries laws. For example in Poland an artists can sell the rights to his art being sold, but he is for ever the author, which comes with his own rights. Like he has to always be cited as an author, the work can not be changed without him okeying it etc.

 Sentineil wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines. Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.

Wow, I can only wish horrible people like you are just like this on the internet and are somehow rational normal people in person.

I agree with BCB. Restartes are the breakfast cereals of the hobby, get em young and addicted to the sweet plastic crack. Any vehicle for this ongoing epic fail should implode in the vacuum of space.

 tauist wrote:
Wasnt particularly impressed by Astartes tbh. Helsreach is the only "proper" 40K video I've seen yet. I hope The Angels Of Death will be of comparable quality, as in, an actual flocking story instead of just dialogueless bolter pron for 12-yr olds.

That new T'au feature, Exodite was it? dunno about that either.. The Iron Warriors one looks visually good but I have no idea what the storytelling's going to be like

Anyways, I still have to acknowledge GW is doing the right thing by making these fanfic projects official.. They'll undoubtedly turn out to be better than what they could release themselves, so at least something.. Must feel good for the authors too to get recognition like that.

Astartes isn't really bolter porn for me. It's visceral and visual storytelling that gets the point across very well.

There is no truer sign of success than for haters to crawl out of the woodwork and call you a sellout.

As far as I'm concerned, if Mr. Pedersen wants to make money working with GW to do what he clearly enjoys doing then it's a win for both of them.

The music change does suck though.

Is anyone on this thread a patron of the Astartes project? Was there any announcement on that side saying what they were doing regarding past donations, whether or not they would continue to ask? To what extent is GW backing this? Just the facts - speculation is clearly upsetting some people.


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 harlokin wrote:
Shouldn't this be about dino-riding elfs?

Theory during teaser 1 and 2 was that they're fighting on or over an Exodite world.

Bloody sell out. Shutting down his Patreon and thanking those who have supported him so far.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I just pulled this from the Astartes patreon page.

This may feel like it's coming out of nowhere but I'm happy to announce today that from this point on I'll be working with GW to continue Astartes and transition the project to an official one with the Warhammer Animations team.

Many of you have no doubt been wondering what the status of the project is lately, but work on it has never stopped and now it's at a very exciting place, with everything I've been able to create and develop up to this point now transitioning to an official project where I hope to take it to new heights.

I can't thank you all enough for the support and opportunity to pursue both my 40k and animation dreams. When I threw that first episode up on the internet I had no idea it would take me here, and it wouldn't have without your amazing support and encouragement to keep going and so I'm truly grateful.

I just hope I can make you all proud with my future contributions to the 40k universe we all love.

Astartes will have a new home over at the Warhammer Community website so head over there to watch the existing series and for more news and exciting updates.

This Patreon page will cut ties with Warhammer and the Astartes project. It will be overhauled to represent me personally as an artist and it will be put into an 'inactive' mode and perhaps re-awoken in the future, if I get the chance I'd love to let some original ideas that are bouncing around in my head out into the world...but right now it's time to animate the Emperor's Chosen!

As per his post on Patreon:

"This Patreon page will cut ties with Warhammer and the Astartes project. It will be overhauled to represent me personally as an artist and it will be put into an 'inactive' mode and perhaps re-awoken in the future, if I get the chance I'd love to let some original ideas that are bouncing around in my head out into the world...but right now it's time to animate the Emperor's Chosen!"

So GW is certainly paying him.

Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
So GW is certainly paying him.

There was a doubt ?

BaconCatBug wrote:Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.

I mean, sometimes you're presented offers you can't refuse. Like expecting him to say "Oh yeah, I always wanted to make stuff for you guys but I got this patreon thing going on, I would rather not right now, maybe in 3 to 5 years ?" isn't realistic. It could take him years to finish the current project before being "free" to join them at which point the offer might not stand anymore. And then there is the fact that the patreon supports him to use someone else's IP.

It's still feels wrong to just close everything and leaving with a "thanks for the fish" though.

Coming soon: Astartes: Season 2, or after its rebrand, Primaris.

 Flinty wrote:
And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.

Does GW really seem like the type of company to give someone a "massive payoff"?

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.

Aaahahahahahqhahahahahahaaaaaa... an artist making art based on a company's IP amd for whatever money he can scrape nout of open hearted strangers is asked by that company to join the team and you expect them to say no?

For whatever money he can scrape out?

Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.

GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.

That's a fair point, he was getting good money put of patreon, but it's hardly.a secure gig.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.

BS Bacon. You don't know how this will turn out.

Honestly, you should be rooting for him. He's gotten positive recognition from the owner of the brand he is a fan of, and whose IP he is using.

If anything, you should be rooting for him even harder while he's forced to deal with cooperate oversight.

Like, we already know what he likes. We have the brilliant Astartes animations he created out of passion. You should be hoping that he's able to continue pursuing his vision with the blessing and financial blessing of GW. If this goes well he should be able to produce that vision faster. If he's able to achieve the goal you potentially supported even faster and with more security you should in no way call it a scam.

We'll see how it goes, but calling this a scam is horse-dung. Personally, I wish him the best of luck. He might be stepping into a meat-grinder. Only time will tell.

Oh no someone is getting paid for their talent, call the police. He was some guy making something for enjoyment and now he gets to do that for money. You make him out to be some kind of "class-traitor" or something. A job that will likely pay for some time without having to worry about IP problems vs money from strangers that might run out at any time coupled with potential IP problems from IP owner. Gee, I wonder why he decided to work with GW.
The creator got his channel and work stolen by hackers, took months to get it back, and now it's in a much safer place where he also gets to make sequels without the chance of it getting stolen again.
Shock horror that another thread on Dakka got the "I hate Primaris" argument in again as well.
BCB you say he went against his principles by taking this position. Do you know him personally and for a fact know he is anti-corporation or against talented people being paid for their work? Was he a dedicated art communist, fighting to spread as much art to people as possible for free? Or is it more you don't like GW and anyone who does like them is a GW shill?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For whatever money he can scrape out?

Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.

GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.

Thats what I'm thinking.


People is clamouring for the head of the guy when probably GW's offer was basically "Come with us or stop doing warhammer content" even if they didn't made it sound like that.

But you can't expect no-name internet trolls that believe everything in the world works by pure ideas and ideals and have never been in a position like that to understand that in adult life you have to compromise.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For whatever money he can scrape out?

Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.

GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.

Yeah, that's kinda my take; it might be a sellout and might be disappointing, but compared to being handed a cease and desist letter and the decision is likely more understandable. I don't know the full circumstances, so I'll just wish him the best of luck.

Primaris and GW can still go deep strike their own transhuman prostate glands.

...You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."

 CEO Kasen wrote:
Yeah, that's kinda my take; it might be a sellout and might be disappointing, but compared to being handed a cease and desist letter and the decision is likely more understandable. I don't know the full circumstances, so I'll just wish him the best of luck.

Selling out implies that he was offered so much money that he abandoned his integrity. I don't think GW offered him a dump-truck of money, so I don't think this can be counted as 'selling out'. I hope he wasn't blinded by the chance to become 'official' and took a bum deal. I wish him luck too, but I question the decision at all.

Like I said in the thread in N&R, I just picture GW saying something along the lines of "Nice animation you've got there. It'd be a real shame if something bad happened to it.".

 CEO Kasen wrote:
You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."

It used to be worse. There was a time when you couldn't type the word "glass".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For whatever money he can scrape out?

Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.

GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.

But what is that offer?

No worries or threats about IP enforcement swings both ways in terms of appeal.

And for all we know, he’s heading up or working with a team of animators, meaning he can increase the pace and even quality of production.

Sure, there could’ve been some strong arming going on, either directly or kinda implied (having the IP owner come a-knocking offering to pay you does rather beg the question of what happens if you politely decline).

Remember. IP is something you have to actively defend if you want to keep it. The conversation needn’t have been sinister and mafiaesque. It could have been “dude, we absolutely love your work, but we can’t let you continue to use our IP. So instead, how about you come and work for us, doing what you do best”.

This could see, in the future, Astartes be considered Deadpoolesque in its development, what with the trailer “leak” leading to a really excellent full on film.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For whatever money he can scrape out?

Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.

GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.

Yeah, that Patreon message read more like having no other options.

There’s also his future to consider.

Making your own films on the internet is one thing, and can certainly lead to employment. As it has right here.

But when he has time/energy/ideas/opportunity to do his own stuff? Having that sort of happenstance on the old CV might open doors. Because he’s just gone from “super competent, but ultimately amateur” content to “head hunted by a market leader to produce high quality, original animation based on their valuable IP” professional.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
For whatever money he can scrape out?

Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.

GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.

Yeah, that Patreon message read more like having no other options.

Did we read the same Patreon message?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 CEO Kasen wrote:
You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."

It used to be worse. There was a time when you couldn't type the word "glass".

I'm still a little shocked every time I see "asscannon".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Selling out implies that he was offered so much money that he abandoned his integrity. I don't think GW offered him a dump-truck of money, so I don't think this can be counted as 'selling out'. I hope he wasn't blinded by the chance to become 'official' and took a bum deal. I wish him luck too, but I question the decision at all.

Like I said in the thread in N&R, I just picture GW saying something along the lines of "Nice animation you've got there. It'd be a real shame if something bad happened to it.".

I'll admit to not having overthought the precise wording; just the acknowledgement that the circumstances are almost certainly more complicated, maybe even more coercive, than a simple cash offer. They usually are.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 CEO Kasen wrote:
You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."

It used to be worse. There was a time when you couldn't type the word "glass".

What the hell did it change "Glass" to? "Glbutt?" "Glrear?" "Glarse?"

 CEO Kasen wrote:
What the hell did it change "Glass" to? "Glbutt?" "Glrear?" "Glarse?"

Because the fine folks at Dakka thought that the word 'ass' was so rude that if little Timmy stumbled across it he'd claw his eyeballs out with a pair of rusty spoons to spare himself the anguish of ever seeing such a vile word ever again, the filter changed it to 'donkey'.

So "glass" became "gldonkey".

This is why, for a time, the humble Assault Cannon started being called the Donkey Cannon, because whenever you wrote it you'd get Donkeyault Cannon.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s also his future to consider.

Making your own films on the internet is one thing, and can certainly lead to employment. As it has right here.

But when he has time/energy/ideas/opportunity to do his own stuff? Having that sort of happenstance on the old CV might open doors. Because he’s just gone from “super competent, but ultimately amateur” content to “head hunted by a market leader to produce high quality, original animation based on their valuable IP” professional.

I also think along these lines in this case. This is a job that the man was so keen on that he started doing it in his free time. Makes sense that he would take it when formally offered. If you hire someone out of the blue, trumpet the fact publicly, and promise more to follow, it sounds like the kind of thing that both sides in the contract are satisfied with what they are getting,.rather than bleeding the little.guy hard.

 Flinty wrote:
... it sounds like the kind of thing that both sides in the contract are satisfied with what they are getting...

GW maintains control and he doesn't get crushed under GW's boot. How wonderful for him.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
... it sounds like the kind of thing that both sides in the contract are satisfied with what they are getting...

GW maintains control and he doesn't get crushed under GW's boot. How wonderful for him.

This is why I can't fault him right now.