Interesting, I was supposed to go to LVO but not now (but still taking time off from work). Last time (2020) the release was shown simultaneously as it was shown at event. Looks like there is a small delay this time.
Reckon we might see a preview of a Cursed City expansion.
I’m also wondering given just how busy the codex releases have been this month, if this might prove a more substantial preview.
But saying that, I guess it will depend when the next preview is likely to be. Whilst there’s no word about previews there, it is Warhammer World’s 25th Anniversary early March, so maybe we’ll see some stuff held back until then, give us attendees a wee tickle beyond buying Precious Things.
I imagine that we might get some extensive AoS reveals and small roadmap. AoS has been relatively quiet since 3.0 got released with only 3 battletomes out.
Not sure if Cursed City falls within the preview window. The novel is getting rereleased in May so that might indicate when Cursed City is back and that's more then 3 months away.
Eldarsif wrote: I imagine that we might get some extensive AoS reveals and small roadmap. AoS has been relatively quiet since 3.0 got released with only 3 battletomes out.
We may well see multiple roadmaps, given I think all are now up to date, or outdated depending on how you look at it.
This is of course their first not online preview in a pretty decent while, so perhaps we’ll get loads.
xttz wrote: Normally there's an article posted on Monday with details of which game systems will be covered and when to watch in each timezone.
AFAIK the only unreleased but announced products are Eldritch Omens, remaining 40k combat patrols, and the cursed city reprint.
There's also the Horus Heresy map that got announced and hasn't gone up for pre-order IIRC.
I imagine that the next Kill Team box will be announced, given that was supposed to be released in January by the previous roadmap.
We're pretty out for most of the games at this point. It would be surprising if the Warcry box got no follow up, we don't have anything for Underworlds, and AOS feels like something should be happening too. And there were some kind of hints that Necromunda will have something coming. That plus the remaining Eldar, and maybe even the Horus Heresy box. I'm not sure there'll be room for much else.
Far as I recall we are in a bit of a deadzone for previews so it could be pretty big.
As noted AoS has not much if nothing on radar so there's ample opportunity to start hyping up the next for that, esp if the Eldar release is getting closer and closer
Adepticus Titanicus could do with an update, I'd love to see a second edition of it coming out or a big expansion adding something other than Imperial titans.
AN similarly is all up to date now that the Necrons are out.
I forget where Necromunda is though they've had more of a roadmap than most games.
40K is all on Eldar and Chaos (mostly Eldar) right now so we might see another sneak peak from the release - either showing something in full (like the Avatar) or something totally new (accepting that they are already previewing something on Monday which could well just be something we've seen in sneak peaks so far like the Shining Stars)
Cursed City could also be given a mention with some dates or, as noted, a preview of the Expansion.
Overread wrote: Far as I recall we are in a bit of a deadzone for previews so it could be pretty big.
It could also be your typical GW preview where they spend 1.5 hours taking 15 minutes for each game system and only revealing 1 mini, with 1-2 obligatory plugs for Whammy+.
Remember, GW previews are like regular previews, but in slow motion. You have to watch around 3 of them to get a 'proper' preview.
Overread wrote: Far as I recall we are in a bit of a deadzone for previews so it could be pretty big.
It could also be your typical GW preview where they spend 1.5 hours taking 15 minutes for each game system and only revealing 1 mini, with 1-2 obligatory plugs for Whammy+.
Remember, GW previews are like regular previews, but in slow motion. You have to watch around 3 of them to get a 'proper' preview.
Honestly in a normal year I don't mind that because they'd come fairly fast one after the other. It's only the last few years where big events were last moment cancelled and GW's own operations were totally messed up that we wound up with annoying long gaps.
If there's "three big previews in a month" kind of thing I don't mind if each one is smaller.
Hoping GW might get back to the pre Covid Blood Bowl release schedule of a team every quarter. If so, this is one of the prime opportunities for an announcement.
There will be another preview at Adepticon in March so this will probably only cover the next couple of months.
I think we'll see more Eldar stuff including the Avatar, more Chaos Marines, the next Underworlds warband, something for one or two of the specialist games, the next books for AoS and maybe a teaser for The Horus box.
Rumours are saying that AoS isn't getting much until the summer. Spring is all 40k.
Bit of everything I'd imagine. Would be nice to see the following...
Nighthaunt Battletome.
A new Harlequin model.
Cursed City and its first expansion.
The Eldar Codex & new models.
New Underworlds warband.
A solo-coop supplement for AoS.
Soulblight warband for Warcry.
Something new and interesting for both Necromunda and Warcry.
40K Knights.
...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?
I just want them to go back to doing models for the old Blood Bowl teams that never got updated. Vampires, Norse, Chorfs, Amazons and so on. I'm not interested in any more redundant greenskin teams, or anything new unless they want to do a Fimir team.
Chikout wrote: There will be another preview at Adepticon in March so this will probably only cover the next couple of months.
I think we'll see more Eldar stuff including the Avatar, more Chaos Marines, the next Underworlds warband, something for one or two of the specialist games, the next books for AoS and maybe a teaser for The Horus box.
Rumours are saying that AoS isn't getting much until the summer. Spring is all 40k.
Fyreslayers and idoneth are pretty much quaranteed to get books soonish.
I think it was mentioned in the Eldar advent leak thing, but I’ve lost track of how solid that rumour is at this point. I also think it said it isn’t in the codex though so I wouldn’t be expecting it yet if it is true.
Chikout wrote: There will be another preview at Adepticon in March so this will probably only cover the next couple of months.
I think we'll see more Eldar stuff including the Avatar, more Chaos Marines, the next Underworlds warband, something for one or two of the specialist games, the next books for AoS and maybe a teaser for The Horus box.
Rumours are saying that AoS isn't getting much until the summer. Spring is all 40k.
...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?
Based on current rumours the release schedule looks something like this:
40k Eldar & Kill Team set in Feb/March
40k Chaos Knights in March (probably alongside just a codex for IK)
40kCSM in April / May. One reliable source claimed World Eaters were not in that book
Big Heresy reboot in early summer
40k Space marines boxed set in the summer with new units, alongside updated codex and/or supplements
As the timeline has now reached the Siege of Terra there's a theory is that World Eaters will have a crossover with HH / 40k, with a plastic Daemon Angron being released to push both games. Doubt we'll see any confirmation on WE until Adepticon at the soonest. LVO will probably only cover releases up until Easter at best.
I think it was mentioned in the Eldar advent leak thing, but I’ve lost track of how solid that rumour is at this point. I also think it said it isn’t in the codex though so I wouldn’t be expecting it yet if it is true.
Yeah it came from the dude leaking the codex pics recently. Apparently Harlequins are getting a Mime unit for Kill Team but not until some time after the codex, just like that new Sisters unit. Could be late 2022 or 2023. Same guy also said there's a follow up wave of new models for Aeldari in 2023.
Thargrim wrote: I just want them to go back to doing models for the old Blood Bowl teams that never got updated. Vampires, Norse, Chorfs, Amazons and so on. I'm not interested in any more redundant greenskin teams, or anything new unless they want to do a Fimir team.
That would be great. I want them to make a plastic Khemri team already.
Thargrim wrote: I just want them to go back to doing models for the old Blood Bowl teams that never got updated. Vampires, Norse, Chorfs, Amazons and so on. I'm not interested in any more redundant greenskin teams, or anything new unless they want to do a Fimir team.
Could genuinely be any of those 4 teams, Tomb Kings or High Elves up next. On one hand it's weird that the latter haven't had a new version yet as they're a 'core' race but then they've also never been that popular. Chaos Dwarfs in all their stacked-hat glory would probably be a crowd pleaser if the models aren't rubbish, though Vampires are arguably the most in need of a bit of attention given their Teams of Legend version has issues.
Personally wouldn't be surprised at any of the outstanding teams without a 2016/2020 kit getting done next but I think it's also nailed on that Slaanesh and Tzeentch will have their own rosters at some point too (I reckon we'll get Slaanesh this year).
I really want to see anything new for Necromunda, Bloodbowl, Quest, or AoS Chorfs (which would be a full range buy for me). This preview is long overdue - hopefully it has some substance.
But I was looking over the Teams of Legend sheet last night, and wondered if *perhaps* the Khorne team might be intended as a replacement for the Norse. Conceivably, that could also mean Amazons and High Elves might be replaced with, say, Slaanesh and Tzeentch teams respectively. Filling that play style with assets tied to current ranges.
Based on current rumours the release schedule looks something like this:
40k Eldar & Kill Team set in Feb/March
40k Chaos Knights in March (probably alongside just a codex for IK)
40kCSM in April / May. One reliable source claimed World Eaters were not in that book
Big Heresy reboot in early summer
40k Space marines boxed set in the summer with new units, alongside updated codex and/or supplements
I'm curious when the sneak peek Nid model[s] will arrive- doesn't seem to be much room in the schedule and it was one thing I was very surprised by in the New Year leak video.
Not expecting too much beyond the Eldar to be revealed at the preview but some more Nid hints would be great.
Lets just hope its actually a Tyranid and not "Tyranid corpse/bits on marine" type of model. I recall when GW showed off some lizard scales and all the seraphon/lizardmen players got excited only to discover that it was a bit of skin on a huge marine character.
Are we expecting more than just the Parasite for Nids? It's probably going to be a fairly big model, but Ghaz was huge and still released in a Versus box.
GaroRobe wrote: Are we expecting more than just the Parasite for Nids? It's probably going to be a fairly big model, but Ghaz was huge and still released in a Versus box.
I'm expecting whatever that thing is to also make the Red Terror as an option, from the vaguely images we've seen it seems to be a similar body shape, just with wings
GaroRobe wrote: Are we expecting more than just the Parasite for Nids? It's probably going to be a fairly big model, but Ghaz was huge and still released in a Versus box.
I'm expecting whatever that thing is to also make the Red Terror as an option, from the vaguely images we've seen it seems to be a similar body shape, just with wings
I really don't expect a paired kit with the Red Terror at all.
Right now I'm thinking its either a character model of the Parasite of Morteux or its the Shrikes which will give it a mostly Warrior type appearance with, likely, a more serpentine end to its body. Perhaps more like a ravener
Based on current rumours the release schedule looks something like this:
40k Eldar & Kill Team set in Feb/March
40k Chaos Knights in March (probably alongside just a codex for IK)
40kCSM in April / May. One reliable source claimed World Eaters were not in that book
Big Heresy reboot in early summer
40k Space marines boxed set in the summer with new units, alongside updated codex and/or supplements
I'm curious when the sneak peek Nid model[s] will arrive- doesn't seem to be much room in the schedule and it was one thing I was very surprised by in the New Year leak video.
Not expecting too much beyond the Eldar to be revealed at the preview but some more Nid hints would be great.
I'm not expecting anything for Nids until the current season winds down. Fluffwise there are no hive fleets around Vigilus / Nachmund, and it seems this will be focused on heavily on Eldar followed by Chaos content. Most likely Nids are being held back because they get new models with future Kill Team releases, and will show up as a bad guy in the Q3/Q4 season.
Clockpunk wrote: I really want to see anything new for Necromunda, Bloodbowl, Quest, or AoS Chorfs (which would be a full range buy for me). This preview is long overdue - hopefully it has some substance.
But I was looking over the Teams of Legend sheet last night, and wondered if *perhaps* the Khorne team might be intended as a replacement for the Norse. Conceivably, that could also mean Amazons and High Elves might be replaced with, say, Slaanesh and Tzeentch teams respectively. Filling that play style with assets tied to current ranges.
I very much doubt that's the case (and hopefully I'm right but not ruling it out entirely that they wouldn't do something that daft). I think the Khorne team was more a replacement for... well... the Khorne team i.e. the one which wasn't an 'official' GW team but had been very much present since they appeared in the Blood Bowl 1 video game version and had long been adopted as an 'official' team by the NAF (along with Bretonnians from BB2 and Slaan).
The Bretonnians have since been directly replaced by the GW Imperial Nobles team (with about 80% of the same roster) and the Khorne Team has retained a lot of the core ideas/rules but in lore terms had its Daemons replaced with mortal players. If the Leap meme team that is Slaan is going to get a direct GW equivalent and what form that might take (Squig Hoppers?!), who knows?
There's not really such a thing as being 'tied to current ranges' when it comes to Blood Bowl given the setting/miniature range it is a pastiche of no longer exists (or at least it won't until The Old World is released) so I don't think that's likely to be a reasoning for replacing long standing things like High Elves. As much as the Blood Bowl devs have made some changes that don't necessarily always go down that well, they haven't dramatically altered the game and, based on previous discussion on live streams etc., are more than aware of the popularity of Norse and Chaos Dwarfs in particular so can't see those 2 getting replaced at least.
Maybe just another Battletome or two for a faction that's not getting much model wise. Idoneth or Nighthaunt?
Idoneth and Fyreslayers. They just got a dual box with one new kit each. I surmise we'll see a reveal of their books and maybe some endless spells for Idoneth.
They'll likely keep some Eldar back for a few more weeks of Monday previews, but we'll likely get official confirmation of the codex, Avatar, and maybe some other models. Chaos Knights seem likely too.
jojo_monkey_boy wrote: There are still a number of unreleased units for HH, as well as the possibility for new legion praetors, given that they've been trickling those out.
I don't think we will see the boxed game yet. It feels too early.
We might see a teaser. They could confirm that a new edition is coming but save the full boxed set reveal for Adepticon.
I am most excited to see new plastic HH, Eldar Avatar in full glory, and new kill teams. As @xttz said, I do not expect to see any nids so soon. I would like to be wrong though
Horus Heresy will of course be the announcement of the teaser for the trailer for the reveal of the boxed set. Come back in four previews, if you please.
SamusDrake wrote: Bit of everything I'd imagine. Would be nice to see the following...
Nighthaunt Battletome.
A new Harlequin model.
Cursed City and its first expansion.
The Eldar Codex & new models.
New Underworlds warband.
A solo-coop supplement for AoS.
Soulblight warband for Warcry.
Something new and interesting for both Necromunda and Warcry.
40K Knights.
...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?
If they showed all of that, it would be the single largest and most comprehensive preview that GW has ever done, at best you're probably only going to get about half that many reveals.
Realistically you're getting:
-Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be
I would be surprised if we got much more than that.
If they showed all of that, it would be the single largest and most comprehensive preview that GW has ever done, at best you're probably only going to get about half that many reveals.
Realistically you're getting:
-Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be
I would be surprised if we got much more than that.
Would you know it? First time I play it sensible and keep in mind that 30K stuff is usually shown at its own event, this early in the year, we get a new friggin warhound announced today and some "mysterious" Horus Heresy announcement for Friday!
790.M41... "The Vostroyan IX under Graf Toshenko are wiped out defending the factory city of Polia on the planet of Nimbosa from the Tau Commander Brightsword, inspiring the populace to resist the Tau's culture of 'the Greater Good'"
Worth a small mention that Nimbosa's timeline is all over the place though. There was a mention of another Guard Regiment in plastic aside from the Cadians and Death Korps though?
790.M41... "The Vostroyan IX under Graf Toshenko are wiped out defending the factory city of Polia on the planet of Nimbosa from the Tau Commander Brightsword, inspiring the populace to resist the Tau's culture of 'the Greater Good'"
Worth a small mention that Nimbosa's timeline is all over the place though. There was a mention of another Guard Regiment in plastic aside from the Cadians and Death Korps though?
Would agree, but that event is the only thing connected to that specific year.
Weird that they choose something like this. It got me kind of excited.
So, if this means Vostroyans, what we expecting? Kill Team or actual 40k?
I hope its not plastic vostroyans, only because I already own over 200 metal ones and I would have a really hard time justifying to myself buying more, while at the same time having a really really hard time trying to convince myself NOT to buy more.
The Bretonnians have since been directly replaced by the GW Imperial Nobles team (with about 80% of the same roster) and the Khorne Team has retained a lot of the core ideas/rules but in lore terms had its Daemons replaced with mortal players. If the Leap meme team that is Slaan is going to get a direct GW equivalent and what form that might take (Squig Hoppers?!), who knows?
In the video games, the Slann were represented by a Kislevite Circus team that used the exact same stats. Instead of a Kroxigor they had a performing bear that whipped people with its chain to represent the prehensile tail.
Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
soviet13 wrote: Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
Depends upon how the reworked army book is set up?
soviet13 wrote: Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
The at this point 100% accurate rumors that should be taken as gospel indicates that there would be updated Cadians ("veteran style" - this was before the upgrade sprue was released, so its unclear if theres more to come on that front or if that is it, although the rumor source indicated that Kasrkin would return), plus "two new regiments are also in the works", so yeah it seems very likely we're going to get Krieg (I would guess them to be one of the two regiments being worked on) plus another one (possibly Vostroyans).
Honestly, they should just fundamentally re-work the style of some of the regiments and have dual and/or upgrade kits and get out at least 4 regiments.
I'd let catchans go to be honest, they just aren't needed. It would be a shame in some respect, but I'd take catachans going and getting Elysians, or tallarn etc.
Catachans absolutely aren't being binned off though, considering the special models of late, but still.
soviet13 wrote: Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
Depends. If they go for very distinct alternatives, then two at most. If they go for variants of a base model, maybe four or five. If they do a mix (Catchan base with Chem dog variant, Krieg base with Steel Legion variant), then probably somewhere inbetween those numbers.
soviet13 wrote: Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
Quite a few. Right now a regiment is done with command box+infantry box+heavy weapon box.
The new Krieg squad has enough bits that a separate command box is pretty unnecessary. Just the heavy weapons team.
Given how many roles basic infantry can fulfill (squad, command squad, special weapons squad, commander, lieutenant, etc, etc) they're pretty all purpose.
So it really depends on how... 'generous' GW is feeling? I'm sure a bean-counter somewhere put a line under wherever their prediction for diminishing returns is, but 3-4 regiments with two boxes each doesn't seem unreasonable for a neglected faction.
Cadians, Catachans, and Krieg I would say are safe bets for inclusion in the Codex. I would like to think that GW will do what it did last time and feature kitbashes alongside the inclusion of the custom Regimental traits.
SamusDrake wrote: Bit of everything I'd imagine. Would be nice to see the following...
Nighthaunt Battletome.
A new Harlequin model.
Cursed City and its first expansion.
The Eldar Codex & new models.
New Underworlds warband.
A solo-coop supplement for AoS.
Soulblight warband for Warcry.
Something new and interesting for both Necromunda and Warcry.
40K Knights.
...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?
It says at the end of this article, that a Kill Team expansion for Viligus is due. Considering every that every Faction is currently, it doesn't really narrow down who is the box:
soviet13 wrote: Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
Quite a few. Right now a regiment is done with command box+infantry box+heavy weapon box.
The new Krieg squad has enough bits that a separate command box is pretty unnecessary. Just the heavy weapons team.
Given how many roles basic infantry can fulfill (squad, command squad, special weapons squad, commander, lieutenant, etc, etc) they're pretty all purpose.
So it really depends on how... 'generous' GW is feeling? I'm sure a bean-counter somewhere put a line under wherever their prediction for diminishing returns is, but 3-4 regiments with two boxes each doesn't seem unreasonable for a neglected faction.
The problem with that (I imagine) is that the different variants would cannibalise each other, so even though there's only 4-5 skus per faction, the expenditure of designing and tooling 4-5 skus (x5 factions) would be a lot less appealing to them that 4-5 (x1 faction), given that there's only so many people interested in buying Guard of any flavour, and the buyers would just stick to the flavour they like best (a problem that space marines have never had due to their unique history of extreme popularity and the relative ease with which the core component of any flavour of marine can be flipped to any other flavour with the addition of a single accessory sprue, and often not even requiring that).
Ancient Otter wrote: It says at the end of this article, that a Kill Team expansion for Viligus is due. Considering every that every Faction is currently, it doesn't really narrow down who is the box:
JimmyWolf87 wrote: If the Leap meme team that is Slaan is going to get a direct GW equivalent and what form that might take (Squig Hoppers?!), who knows?
I have to say - that would be my crazy bonkers dream (always playing this no matter what) team, lol!
Edit: hah, and I've just seen a Fb ad for a third party squig rider fantasy football team!
My guess is that when IG finally do get a new book and new models, Krieg will be the center of the codex. Cadia was destroyed in the fluff, so it would make sense that they change the poster child.
My guess for new miniatures would be Krieg Heavy weapons team, Krieg Engineers (in plastic), and Krieg Death Rider (also in plastic). Engineers and Death Riders were really the only units from the Krieg list that made the jump to 9th edition and didn't get sent away to Legends (Death Riders also had some recent art in the new Ork Codex). The current Krieg box has bits you could use to make a command squad.
As much as I would love to Catachans or Vostroyans getting an update too, I just don't see GW giving that much attention to IG. Almost guaranteed Cadians won't either as they got that upgrade sprue tacked on to their old kit.
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is that when IG finally do get a new book and new models, Krieg will be the center of the codex. Cadia was destroyed in the fluff, so it would make sense that they change the poster child.
Two things.
1 - Good God I hope Krieg doesn't get made the poster child Guard faction. That would be horrendously stupid and do so much damage to the hobby image.
2 - Cadia is a system, not just a planet. The Cadian Regiments were raised and garrisoned all over the Cadian Gate and sent out into the Galaxy with thousands of Regiments to spare. It was even added in the 8th Ed Codex that many worlds with settled Cadian Regiments took up arms again and raised new Cadian Regiments to get vengeance for their lost homeworld. Then there are the many other Regiments that are trained by Cadian officers, use Cadian gear and Cadian tactics like the Truscan Snowhounds or Faeburn Vanquishers. There is literally no reason for Cadians to not still be the poster faction.
Krieg would be fantastic! The IG are already basically a WW1 army and the Krieg are basically a French inspired WW1 designed set of infantry.
I still think GW should do to IG what they did to Slaves to Darkness and release a series of infantry boxed sets. Each one your basic infantry with heavy support weapons and a few optional parts (eg banner, commander etc...). Setting each one around a different famous group of infantry. They could even throw in some optional decorative parts for putting on tanks and such.
Then they can do Cadians, Kriege, Catachan and others.
They don't have to change anything else of the IG line, just release those warpacks for each regiment - a single plastic sprue.
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is that when IG finally do get a new book and new models, Krieg will be the center of the codex. Cadia was destroyed in the fluff, so it would make sense that they change the poster child.
Two things.
1 - Good God I hope Krieg doesn't get made the poster child Guard faction. That would be horrendously stupid and do so much damage to the hobby image.
2 - Cadia is a system, not just a planet. The Cadian Regiments were raised and garrisoned all over the Cadian Gate and sent out into the Galaxy with thousands of Regiments to spare. It was even added in the 8th Ed Codex that many worlds with settled Cadian Regiments took up arms again and raised new Cadian Regiments to get vengeance for their lost homeworld. Then there are the many other Regiments that are trained by Cadian officers, use Cadian gear and Cadian tactics like the Truscan Snowhounds or Faeburn Vanquishers. There is literally no reason for Cadians to not still be the poster faction.
1) I'm not saying that they should, or shouldn't do it - I'm predicting that's what they will do. Why exactly would it be horrendously stupid and why would it do so much damage to the hobby image?
2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.
soviet13 wrote: Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
Quite a few. Right now a regiment is done with command box+infantry box+heavy weapon box.
The new Krieg squad has enough bits that a separate command box is pretty unnecessary. Just the heavy weapons team.
Given how many roles basic infantry can fulfill (squad, command squad, special weapons squad, commander, lieutenant, etc, etc) they're pretty all purpose.
So it really depends on how... 'generous' GW is feeling? I'm sure a bean-counter somewhere put a line under wherever their prediction for diminishing returns is, but 3-4 regiments with two boxes each doesn't seem unreasonable for a neglected faction.
The problem with that (I imagine) is that the different variants would cannibalise each other, so even though there's only 4-5 skus per faction, the expenditure of designing and tooling 4-5 skus (x5 factions) would be a lot less appealing to them that 4-5 (x1 faction), given that there's only so many people interested in buying Guard of any flavour, and the buyers would just stick to the flavour they like best (a problem that space marines have never had due to their unique history of extreme popularity and the relative ease with which the core component of any flavour of marine can be flipped to any other flavour with the addition of a single accessory sprue, and often not even requiring that).
Oh. I agree, SKU reluctance will kept guard small and neglected. I expect the current Boring Ones and Atrocities to remain as they are (Cadians and Catachans, for clarity ), Krieg to get fleshed out beyond the KT squad, and _maybe_ one more added along the same lines as Krieg. And that's it. Maybe a new tank (that uses pretty much all the rumor engine bits).
But they could do more- that's what I meant by 'generous'
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is that when IG finally do get a new book and new models, Krieg will be the center of the codex. Cadia was destroyed in the fluff, so it would make sense that they change the poster child.
Two things.
1 - Good God I hope Krieg doesn't get made the poster child Guard faction. That would be horrendously stupid and do so much damage to the hobby image.
2 - Cadia is a system, not just a planet. The Cadian Regiments were raised and garrisoned all over the Cadian Gate and sent out into the Galaxy with thousands of Regiments to spare. It was even added in the 8th Ed Codex that many worlds with settled Cadian Regiments took up arms again and raised new Cadian Regiments to get vengeance for their lost homeworld. Then there are the many other Regiments that are trained by Cadian officers, use Cadian gear and Cadian tactics like the Truscan Snowhounds or Faeburn Vanquishers. There is literally no reason for Cadians to not still be the poster faction.
1) I'm not saying that they should, or shouldn't do it - I'm predicting that's what they will do. Why exactly would it be horrendously stupid and why would it do so much damage to the hobby image?
Because some people are ahistorical and randomly assume gasmask=WW2 Germans, rather than their actual derivation. Its a kneejerk reaction that doesn't have much place in reality.
2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.
Since they just did the additional sprue, Cadians are more than likely sticking around. Though i expect less narrative focus on them.
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is that when IG finally do get a new book and new models, Krieg will be the center of the codex. Cadia was destroyed in the fluff, so it would make sense that they change the poster child.
Ehhh...Cadia, the planet, was fractured.
Cadia, the sector and system, is still around.
My guess for new miniatures would be Krieg Heavy weapons team, Krieg Engineers (in plastic), and Krieg Death Rider (also in plastic). Engineers and Death Riders were really the only units from the Krieg list that made the jump to 9th edition and didn't get sent away to Legends (Death Riders also had some recent art in the new Ork Codex). The current Krieg box has bits you could use to make a command squad.
Grenadiers, Engineers, and Death Riders are all featured in art accompanying the Ork Codex+Octarius Kill Team book.
At this point I'm actually tentatively thinking some of the stuff I've been wishlisting for might be happening, given that the repacked Cadians and now the DKoK both do not feature a Heavy Weapons Team in them. They have multiple specials though!
As much as I would love to Catachans or Vostroyans getting an update too, I just don't see GW giving that much attention to IG. Almost guaranteed Cadians won't either as they got that upgrade sprue tacked on to their old kit.
The upgrade sprue, purportedly, was designed to go with a redone Cadian kit...which is something that the dude who called out DKoK v Kommandos a year out specifically noted. Cadians, Kasrkin, and a new vehicle between LR+Baneblade size.
Plus, as someone else mentioned, two other Regiments in plastic. It doesn't say full ranges for all of them. Just some Regiments in plastic.
So far, only the Cadians and Krieg are rumored to have multiple items tied to them--with Krieg having the most.
Sabotage! wrote: 1) I'm not saying that they should, or shouldn't do it - I'm predicting that's what they will do. Why exactly would it be horrendously stupid and why would it do so much damage to the hobby image?
The Krieg are idolised by the fash elements within the hobby and I'm not saying that everyone that likes the DKoK are fash but the very vocal fash within the community like to use them as outlets for their fashness.
2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.
Replace several with most in that first bit. You're just wrong with your knowledge of the Cadian Regiments.
Also, the Cadians got a recent upgrade sprue and them not aging well is an opinion, not a fact. It would make 0 sense for GW to can them in favour of DKoK.
Oh. I agree, SKU reluctance will kept guard small and neglected. I expect the current Boring Ones and Atrocities to remain as they are (Cadians and Catachans, for clarity ), Krieg to get fleshed out beyond the KT squad, and _maybe_ one more added along the same lines as Krieg. And that's it. Maybe a new tank (that uses pretty much all the rumor engine bits).
But they could do more- that's what I meant by 'generous'
The DKoK box is actually stupid good for what's in there. I was able to build out a Command Squad, a Company Commander, a Master of Ordnance, and 2x squads from having split three boxes with people wanting Kommandos+scenery.
For what's coming, purportedly, for the Krieg? It's shaking out to be 3 boxes(Death Riders, Infantry Squad, Grenadiers/Engineers dual kit), and 3 blisters/small box(Death Rider Officer, Heavy Weapon Team, Commissar).
Cadians, purportedly, are just a new Cadian box and Kasrkin box.
2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.
Since they just did the additional sprue, Cadians are more than likely sticking around. Though i expect less narrative focus on them.
I'm thinking if the Cadians that are out now are sticking around? It's for the purposes of Conscripts.
soviet13 wrote: Seems very unlikely we'd get Vostroyans when Krieg haven't been expanded into a full range yet, and Catachans still need work. How many IG regiments do we think they can reasonably support?
Quite a few. Right now a regiment is done with command box+infantry box+heavy weapon box.
The new Krieg squad has enough bits that a separate command box is pretty unnecessary. Just the heavy weapons team.
Given how many roles basic infantry can fulfill (squad, command squad, special weapons squad, commander, lieutenant, etc, etc) they're pretty all purpose.
So it really depends on how... 'generous' GW is feeling? I'm sure a bean-counter somewhere put a line under wherever their prediction for diminishing returns is, but 3-4 regiments with two boxes each doesn't seem unreasonable for a neglected faction.
The problem with that (I imagine) is that the different variants would cannibalise each other, so even though there's only 4-5 skus per faction, the expenditure of designing and tooling 4-5 skus (x5 factions) would be a lot less appealing to them that 4-5 (x1 faction), given that there's only so many people interested in buying Guard of any flavour, and the buyers would just stick to the flavour they like best (a problem that space marines have never had due to their unique history of extreme popularity and the relative ease with which the core component of any flavour of marine can be flipped to any other flavour with the addition of a single accessory sprue, and often not even requiring that).
Oh. I agree, SKU reluctance will kept guard small and neglected. I expect the current Boring Ones and Atrocities to remain as they are (Cadians and Catachans, for clarity ), Krieg to get fleshed out beyond the KT squad, and _maybe_ one more added along the same lines as Krieg. And that's it. Maybe a new tank (that uses pretty much all the rumor engine bits).
But they could do more- that's what I meant by 'generous'
Sabotage! wrote: My guess is that when IG finally do get a new book and new models, Krieg will be the center of the codex. Cadia was destroyed in the fluff, so it would make sense that they change the poster child.
Two things.
1 - Good God I hope Krieg doesn't get made the poster child Guard faction. That would be horrendously stupid and do so much damage to the hobby image.
2 - Cadia is a system, not just a planet. The Cadian Regiments were raised and garrisoned all over the Cadian Gate and sent out into the Galaxy with thousands of Regiments to spare. It was even added in the 8th Ed Codex that many worlds with settled Cadian Regiments took up arms again and raised new Cadian Regiments to get vengeance for their lost homeworld. Then there are the many other Regiments that are trained by Cadian officers, use Cadian gear and Cadian tactics like the Truscan Snowhounds or Faeburn Vanquishers. There is literally no reason for Cadians to not still be the poster faction.
1) I'm not saying that they should, or shouldn't do it - I'm predicting that's what they will do. Why exactly would it be horrendously stupid and why would it do so much damage to the hobby image?
Because some people are ahistorical and randomly assume gasmask=WW2 Germans, rather than their actual derivation. Its a kneejerk reaction that doesn't have much place in reality.
2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.
Since they just did the additional sprue, Cadians are more than likely sticking around. Though i expect less narrative focus on them.
I wouldn't see Gas masked WW1 trench soldiers (French inspired none the less) being too much an issue among the wargaming industry. I guess there is a demographic of people out there who have no knowledge of history and get all their ideas what Nazis look like from horror movies. It also is an industry where people actively play Nazi armies in historicals (which is insane to me.....but that's another topic all together).
Oh, I think Cadians will stick around, I just don't seem them getting any more updates.
Sabotage! wrote: 1) I'm not saying that they should, or shouldn't do it - I'm predicting that's what they will do. Why exactly would it be horrendously stupid and why would it do so much damage to the hobby image?
The Krieg are idolised by the fash elements within the hobby and I'm not saying that everyone that likes the DKoK are fash but the very vocal fash within the community like to use them as outlets for their fashness.
2) Yes, not every Cadian regiment was destroyed. There were several Cadian regiments that survived and there have been regiments trained and outfitted by Cadians since back in 4th edition. But the primary planet (along with most of the Cadian regiments) were destroyed, and their models have not aged well (to be fair - they weren't even great back then) - it would make a lot of sense for GW to move on from them.
Replace several with most in that first bit. You're just wrong with your knowledge of the Cadian Regiments.
Also, the Cadians got a recent upgrade sprue and them not aging well is an opinion, not a fact. It would make 0 sense for GW to can them in favour of DKoK.
I mean, I don't associate with people that are fascists, so I don't know what the 40k fascists are in to (nor would I even know where to look), but there isn't really anything more fascist about the DKoK than the rest of the Imperium (which in general is mega fascist). The models themselves are inspired by Republican French Soldiers and Imperial German Soldiers from the First World War.
I'm not a Cadian fanatic, I don't know how many Cadian regiments are out there in the 40k universe. The last 40k fluff I recall that featured Cadians had most of the Cadian regiments defending Cadia as it was pretty much the most important fortress planet in the Imperium. To be fair I don't really care enough to go and look up what percentage of Cadian regiments survived the destruction of the planet.
I mean, you can argue that they have aged well, and maybe you like the look of miniatures that have hands as big as their torsos - but I think you wouldn't find a lot of people who would agree that a Cadian is a good looking miniature next to pretty much anything GW has put out in plastic in the last 15 years. I mean if you compare them to one of the new Krieg, or even one of the old Perry metals (from really any of the Guard lines) their proportions are terrible. Them getting an upgrade sprue pretty much guarantees they aren't getting a resculpt unfortunately. I don't think GW will ditch the model line, I just think they are no longer going to be front in center as newer and better sculpted Guard are in the market.
SamusDrake wrote: Bit of everything I'd imagine. Would be nice to see the following...
Nighthaunt Battletome.
A new Harlequin model.
Cursed City and its first expansion.
The Eldar Codex & new models.
New Underworlds warband.
A solo-coop supplement for AoS.
Soulblight warband for Warcry.
Something new and interesting for both Necromunda and Warcry.
40K Knights.
...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?
If they showed all of that, it would be the single largest and most comprehensive preview that GW has ever done, at best you're probably only going to get about half that many reveals.
Realistically you're getting:
-Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be
I would be surprised if we got much more than that.
I'd honestly be shocked if we got that much. I'm half expecting the Chaos Knight to be the only Chaos thing and be pleasantly suprised if we get anything else.
SamusDrake wrote: Bit of everything I'd imagine. Would be nice to see the following...
Nighthaunt Battletome.
A new Harlequin model.
Cursed City and its first expansion.
The Eldar Codex & new models.
New Underworlds warband.
A solo-coop supplement for AoS.
Soulblight warband for Warcry.
Something new and interesting for both Necromunda and Warcry.
40K Knights.
...usually I'd be optimistic for Titanicus but tired of waiting on GW to sort out its shortcomings. As with the long rumoured Horus Heresy starter set, I'd assume that any news would be announced at the Horus Heresy Weekend event if thats even happening this year?
If they showed all of that, it would be the single largest and most comprehensive preview that GW has ever done, at best you're probably only going to get about half that many reveals.
Realistically you're getting:
-Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be
I would be surprised if we got much more than that.
I'd honestly be shocked if we got that much. I'm half expecting the Chaos Knight to be the only Chaos thing and be pleasantly suprised if we get anything else.
Yeah. I’m definitely not expecting 2 ‘full previews’, as well as both flavours of Knight, for 40k, and I’m not even really expecting a full Eldar preview seeing as they’ve already said there’s another ‘Path of the Preview’ next Monday (although it could be into rules or just a closer look at something they show Friday). Maybe a full Eldar preview and a chaos tease, at a push.
Krieg are an interesting faction with facist undertones, but it is important to form the distinction between their doctrine/ideology and Nazi Germany (Though I get they are facist in accordance with the WWI era aspect of facism).
Absolutely a problem if they become the poster child of AM... It's not a good look.
chaos0xomega wrote: -Eldar full preview
-CSM full preview
-Kill Team Reveal (Eldar v Imperium or Chaos, forget what the rumor was)
-Idoneth and Fyreslayers Battletom Reveal
-Imperial and Chaos Knights Reveal
-Big Horus Heresy Reveal (hopefully)
-Something for Necromunda, whatever that might be
I would be surprised if we got much more than that.
That already seems like too much for a GW preview.
Just touching on the Chaos Knight/Imperial Knight books - I've heard mention of a model for the spikey side of the fence, but has there been any talk of the Imperial side getting anything this time around?
If IK are just getting a book, then a CK/IK double-pack preview would be possible.
I think Chaos Knights are playing catch-up with Imperial Knights. A new IK release would maintain the gap.
Kanluwen wrote: The DKoK box is actually stupid good for what's in there. I was able to build out a Command Squad, a Company Commander, a Master of Ordnance, and 2x squads from having split three boxes with people wanting Kommandos+scenery.
But it's a "Veteran Guardsmen" box. A Kill Team branded box.
I'd imagine that a DKoK box wouldn't include that accessory sprue, and would just be the basic guys. The main sprue already has all the special weapons.
Dysartes wrote: Just touching on the Chaos Knight/Imperial Knight books - I've heard mention of a model for the spikey side of the fence, but has there been any talk of the Imperial side getting anything this time around?
If IK are just getting a book, then a CK/IK double-pack preview would be possible.
There has not been any mention of a new model for the Imperial side of things. I'm guessing they're trying to add a bit of parity to the CK/IK side of things by possibly adding a "character" Chaos Knight.
They're both currently tied outside of Canis Rex being a thing.
Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...
Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.
Thargrim wrote: Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.
There's a whole sub-reddit for 40k fans who can't separate fiction from reality. I won't say its name here...
Thargrim wrote: Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.
There's a whole sub-reddit for 40k fans who can't separate fiction from reality. I won't say it's name here...
There's a whole sub-reddit for almost ANYTHING.
Heck I suspect there's a whole sub-reddit dedicated to Mr Boopers
It's like saying there's a whole twitter account or Facebook page - they are so easy to setup and so easy to join (which is why they are big social media blocks) that any interest group can set one up. Even if you've only a handful of people who can just chatter away for hours you can get one going.
In happier news for the LVO - I wonder if the first CC expansion we see will involve the character that already got released or if we'll see some brand new models that are totally new.
In happier news for the LVO - I wonder if the first CC expansion we see will involve the character that already got released or if we'll see some brand new models that are totally new.
That's a great question - I'm not sure on the characters, but I think the enemies will be based on that map they had on the website. For example there was an area that sound like it was full of Nighthaunt and what not.
Makes me wonder if I will pick up CC. It's appealing, but it's another one of those "one and done" printings I might pass because I'm going to have lots of Eldar to buy for 40k, and I want a few more tanks for my Guard.
Yeah that's true. Quite weak and obscure arguments against DkoKimo, reminiscent of the Satanic Panic and made all the more bizarre given they're coming from people who've more likely than not enjoyed the lore and aesthetic themselves at some time, to some extent. Like, Hey guys, this is too dangerous. In current year it's not okay. I know what it is, and you know what it is, and we know what it's not, but the implications for what it could mean to anyone that's in the know (as are you and I), who don't know what it is, who might be confused, or want it to mean something that it doesn't, well that just doesn't bare thinking about really.
Demon Prince is one of the weaker Chaos sculpts, esp now that they've really gone to town with the greater demons. I'd love to have a revised demon prince or even four of them (one per god) to really give them a more varied set of appearances.
Heck I already picked up an older metal Slaanesh Greater Demon model just to use a demon prince proxy because it looks (in my view) way better and its of the right size.
On the other hand, one of the stipulations made by GW to CA about their build-a-prince Daemon Prince is that his initial model match the one they sell.
No reason not to? We already know Chaos and Eldar are coming next, we've already seen previews of 2 new kits for Chaos plus whatever theyve shown for Aeldari. Makes sense that they would use this opportunity to expand on that more than it does that they would show us something entirely new and unannounced.
We're also due for the KT reveal for this quarter, so this is as good a time as any and it matches with how the previous 2 were revealed (online preview things for both).
Idoneth amd Fyreslayers battletome reveal is low effort, we know theyre getting new books because fury of the deep. The reveal will be like the grey knights/thousand sons/black templars reveal, they'll show us the cover art , maybe even as part of a battletome roadmap type thing where they teade the next battletome after with an abstract image of a pirate that the community will spend a month debating about whether its teasing vampirates or ogor pirates or skaven pirates or grot sky pirates, etc before they finally reveal it to be cities of sigmar.
Imperial/Chaos Knights reveal will be the same, theyll almost definitely show us cover art for eldar and csm books, the question is whether theyll show usart for knights or just a black box woth the faction symbols.
Really I think only Necromunda and HH have any potential of being something substantial.
I think we'll get whatever Eldar haven't been shown yet, plus Chaos Knights and maybe a teaser for Guard or something like that (like one of those animated ones that show nothing off). If we see a Chaos Codex/Chaos line, I'll be amazed.
After all, some rumours state that the Chosen in the upcoming box are still W1, meaning our 'Dex is a long way off.
Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...
Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.
I'm building a DKOK force so I'm not against them at all. I do want them to be partially under the radar though. Whilst I appreciate that people get the wrong end of the stick, if enough people get the wrong end of the stick it can be quite damaging, for the faction and for those who have the forces.
It would probably blow over quite quick so it's a moot point really, but yeah. I think it would be wise to protect DKOK in some respect by not making them the poster child of the guard.
Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...
Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.
I'm building a DKOK force so I'm not against them at all. I do want them to be partially under the radar though. Whilst I appreciate that people get the wrong end of the stick, if enough people get the wrong end of the stick it can be quite damaging, for the faction and for those who have the forces.
It would probably blow over quite quick so it's a moot point really, but yeah. I think it would be wise to protect DKOK in some respect by not making them the poster child of the guard.
I don't think they should be the poster child either. I think Cadians fit the bill well enough. I don't actually mind the current cadian minis that much, they are old but the actual art design of them is great, gives off vibes from starship troopeers, aliens and so on. I also wouldn't mind seeing plastic vostroyans, and other guard regiments as well.
In happier news for the LVO - I wonder if the first CC expansion we see will involve the character that already got released or if we'll see some brand new models that are totally new.
I’m pretty sure Warhammer Quest had its own banner in the past when it was being previewed, so I don’t think we’ll see anything.
Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...
Yeah, well it's a good thing this is a piece of fiction and not reality, right? If people cannot discern real problems from a work of fiction that's on them.
I'm building a DKOK force so I'm not against them at all. I do want them to be partially under the radar though. Whilst I appreciate that people get the wrong end of the stick, if enough people get the wrong end of the stick it can be quite damaging, for the faction and for those who have the forces.
It would probably blow over quite quick so it's a moot point really, but yeah. I think it would be wise to protect DKOK in some respect by not making them the poster child of the guard.
I don't think they should be the poster child either. I think Cadians fit the bill well enough. I don't actually mind the current cadian minis that much, they are old but the actual art design of them is great, gives off vibes from starship troopeers, aliens and so on. I also wouldn't mind seeing plastic vostroyans, and other guard regiments as well.
Cadians are an excellent poster child for the Guard from a design perspective...in the art they look great. Heck even the Plastic Command Squad minis are nice. I just don't see GW keeping them as such with how old the plastic infantry box is, and considering we got an upgrade sprue, the chances of the Infantry box getting a resculpt any time soon seem about nil. I just suspect we are going to get DKoK as the poster child because they have a (rather excellent) new plastic kit, and I just can't see GW showing off those (rather bad) Cadian sculpts compared to a new well-proportioned Guard kit. If GW decided to support more Guard regiments in plastic I could easily see the other new regiment being front and center, but I think Cadians are at the bottom of the list because they are the regiment least likely to get a new core infantry kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I think we'll get whatever Eldar haven't been shown yet, plus Chaos Knights and maybe a teaser for Guard or something like that (like one of those animated ones that show nothing off). If we see a Chaos Codex/Chaos line, I'll be amazed.
After all, some rumours state that the Chosen in the upcoming box are still W1, meaning our 'Dex is a long way off.
I wonder if the Path of the Preview will actually prevent a major Eldar reveal. Just a token big one like the Avatar so Eldar players don't feel left out, but overall a focus on the other known faction that doesn't get its weekly previews and therefore uses the event avenue instead. So I think there may actually be a greater likelihood of a more substantial Chaos than Eldar preview. If, of course, GW is inclined to do "substantial". Can't be sure of that these days.
There's only one more Monday this month, so maybe they'll show the Codex/Ra/Shining Spears at the preview, leaving the Avatar for the final Monday reveal.
Geifer wrote: Oh, was the Eldar preview series supposed to be restricted to January? I didn't know that.
There wasn't any definite end date on it, WarCom described them as a "weekly series of articles".
I assume at least the Avatar & Corsair Kill Team will be shown off at LVO, which leaves us with Maugan Ra & Shining Spears for Jan 31st / Feb 7th. That would neatly take us through to the supposed codex release date in mid-late Feb.
After claiming that there are no other new models to show, the Discord leaker also specifically stated "I'm not giving too much informations to avoid troubles. Might also be giving some false informations ", so it's possible there are more new models we haven't yet seen. Interestingly he refused to show the Warp Spiders datasheet and said he could only post a partial image of the Wave Serpent one, in the same way as for Corsairs. Read into that what you will...
Hoping they give out some info on Renegade Knights, in when the codex will drop, but also any new models to go with it!
My top three hopes:
1. Specific Renegade War Dogs Box with options for both weapon sets in it
2. Stand alone weapon sprue for current Renegade Knights to model all weapon options on the new chassis
3. A proper renegade Knight Castellan, with reverse knees to match the aesthetic of the smaller knights
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hoping they give out some info on Renegade Knights, in when the codex will drop, but also any new models to go with it!
My top three hopes:
1. Specific Renegade War Dogs Box with options for both weapon sets in it
2. Stand alone weapon sprue for current Renegade Knights to model all weapon options on the new chassis
3. A proper renegade Knight Castellan, with reverse knees to match the aesthetic of the smaller knights
Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...
Krieg's look isn't based off any 1 particular thing, they're an amalgamation of various WW1 elements.
Thats being generous (or something), from the neck down they are almost entirely (and I only say almost because I'm sure someone will find *something* that isn't quite right) french in design, just with an aquila thrown on there and a laser gun instead of the trusty Lebel 1886.
Nothing, I just think it's more of a problem when they not only act, but look like Fascists also...
Krieg's look isn't based off any 1 particular thing, they're an amalgamation of various WW1 elements.
Thats being generous (or something), from the neck down they are almost entirely (and I only say almost because I'm sure someone will find *something* that isn't quite right) french in design, just with an aquila thrown on there and a laser gun instead of the trusty Lebel 1886.
I've thought about it a little and I think it's 100% to do with the fact that an actual Nazi played them one time, and that story got picked up, and some people chose to hyperfocus on that singular event, and now that's the paradigm (for a small element in the wider community at least). It's a narrative that some people want to maintain, and that's all.
It's not the masks, there's loads of gasmask troops, there's even masked troops with a Germanic name (the Dream Forge ones, I forget what they're called), but nobody ever proxied Dream Forge as Nazis, so there's no narrative to push. It's not the trench coats, again, there's loads of great coat troops around, and since there's never been a trench coat nazi proxy 'event' to gain traction here there is no narrative to push. It's entirely down to the fact that it happened once with Krieg, and so now that is what some people want Krieg to be.
I remember the same thing in Old Dakka when a guy did it with Jin Roh brigade models, and people got real upset with Jin Roh because of that one event, and for a while anyone with Jin Roh elements in their models were then somehow suspect. I reckon the only reason that's been forgotten is because Jin Roh isn't a thing anymore, but Krieg is, so Krieg gets the label now.
I've thought about it a little and I think it's 100% to do with the fact that an actual Nazi played them one time, and that story got picked up, and some people chose to hyperfocus on that singular event, and now that's the paradigm (for a small element in the wider community at least). It's a narrative that some people want to maintain, and that's all.
It's not the masks, there's loads of gasmask troops, there's even masked troops with a Germanic name (the Dream Forge ones, I forget what they're called), but nobody ever proxied Dream Forge as Nazis, so there's no narrative to push. It's not the trench coats, again, there's loads of great coat troops around, and since there's never been a trench coat nazi proxy 'event' to gain traction here there is no narrative to push. It's entirely down to the fact that it happened once with Krieg, and so now that is what some people want Krieg to be.
I remember the same thing in Old Dakka when a guy did it with Jin Roh brigade models, and people got real upset with Jin Roh because of that one event, and for a while anyone with Jin Roh elements in their models were then somehow suspect. I reckon the only reason that's been forgotten is because Jin Roh isn't a thing anymore, but Krieg is, so Krieg gets the label now.
I mean it's also because they're frequently used as idols by the fash in this hobby just like the Black Templars are. It's to do with the sacrifice thing the Krieg have and the fash turn it into part of their fetish. They take blind extreme fanatic loyalty to a horrific regime as something to aspire to and as part of their spiel about being oppressed they all want to die in service of the defence of their homeland.
Does it make sense? No but they're the fash, they're idiots.
I've never seen this done with BT. I've seen it mentioned (here), but I've never seen this sentiment anywhere else. I'd be interested to see it though, if you have a link to some BT controversy.
JWBS wrote: I've never seen this done with BT. I've seen it mentioned (here), but I've never seen this sentiment anywhere else. I'd be interested to see it though, if you have a link to some BT controversy.
Honestly, I'd rather not and I genuinely envy that you've never witnessed it. I'm not trying to hide anything I just don't want to:
A - Look for it because *vomit*
B - I don't it's entirely appropriate to link fash memes to this site
everybody don't forget we also have adepticon in two months. They always have a big preview at adepticon. I believe everything they will show at LVO is things that are coming out in the next 2-3 months. Everything leading up to summer will be show at adepticon. At least that is my guess from experience
clodax66 wrote: everybody don't forget we also have adepticon in two months. They always have a big preview at adepticon. I believe everything they will show at LVO is things that are coming out in the next 2-3 months. Everything leading up to summer will be show at adepticon. At least that is my guess from experience
Eh. If the last two years are any kind of precedent, the 'big previews' will actually be lots of teeny-tiny ones that satisfy nobody.
IIRC I think there were solid rumors a bit back that Kharadron and Fyreslayers would be getting merged into a Duardin Battletome so not surprising given the presumption that Fury in the Deep indicates Kharadron and Idoneth are the next two books.
Khardons are the Squats in 40K, same models, new 40K rules. They escaped being devoured by the Tyranids by escaping into a bubbleverse, now they have returned to reclaim their ancestral homes...and mine Urgold and Essence of the warp.
Maybe we will get lucky and some rats on their ships escape and start their own Skaven Empire in 40K.
chaos0xomega wrote: IIRC I think there were solid rumors a bit back that Kharadron and Fyreslayers would be getting merged into a Duardin Battletome so not surprising given the presumption that Fury in the Deep indicates Kharadron and Idoneth are the next two books.
It's been floating around for a while ever since Grungni set out to reunite them. I wouldn't trust the rumours as reliable beyond people making correct guesses since they've been wearing this plot thread on their sleeves for a while now and since FS are such an unpopular army the assumption would be getting merged like ogres and orcs.
Man they’re playing this one close to their chest!
There was one AoS rumor that all the Duardin factions would be combined into a single book like the Orruk one. Could very well be that they'll reveal that the Fyreslayer tome is actually "Forces of Duardin" or something and has Fyreslayers, Kharadron, and maybe, just maybe, the dispossessed.
edit: Bleh I am just reiterating what others have said. My apologies.
The WarCom team confirmed the Avatar of Khaine will debut at the LVO.
"It’s high time, however, for the old Avatar to hang up his lustrous topknot, and settle into the retirement segment of the infinity circuit. Who will take up his molten mantle and step into his fiery shoes? You’ll have to join the Warhammer Preview Online at the Las Vegas Open to find out..."
GaroRobe wrote: The WarCom team confirmed the Avatar of Khaine will debut at the LVO.
"It’s high time, however, for the old Avatar to hang up his lustrous topknot, and settle into the retirement segment of the infinity circuit. Who will take up his molten mantle and step into his fiery shoes? You’ll have to join the Warhammer Preview Online at the Las Vegas Open to find out..."
I get eldar are well overdue a release and have a big release wave, but if every preview between now and the new book is just more eldar, it'll be a bit dull. Hoping they'll show off more of that chaos knight maybe.
My big fear is that they'll do a "one model per category" like in the past.
Which would be a shame, since 1) we know an avatar is coming, 2) we've had a leaked image, and 3) they pretty much showed off what it will look like in the video today.
Nazi undertones or not, I'm painting my DKoK in Finnish WW2 infantry colours (drab grey uniforms with dark wehrmacht helmets). You cannot stop me, and I'm not ever going to be playing with them in anything other than private games, so I dont really care if I cannot enter tourneys just because people don't know my country's military history.
About this friday... is it time for BEAKIES!!??!1111
Okay, strike what I said about the Kurnothi...that isn't the Avatar of Khaine on the right hand side of the teaser image! I have no idea what anything is outside of the Nighthaunt in the center. We did see a tease of a new Daughters of Khaine model in the New Year teaser video. Maybe we're going to see some kind of shakeup in the Cities of Sigmar again?
Honestly, I'm starting to think it will only be a one model per gamesystem reveal. This is the second time they teased the Avatar for Eldar.
Hopefully they'll do more than just show off one model from the kill team though. I can't imagine they'd hold it off since the release is supposed to be next month, though GW is known for dragging out a reveal
Yeah that's the Avatar on the right. The hand the same hand.
GaroRobe wrote: My big fear is that they'll do a "one model per category" like in the past.
The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency, so we are just as likely to receive a big preview for an entire faction (ala Bla) as we are a single model.
Given that they've just stated we're getting an Avatar preview, I tend to agree with your fears: This will be a 15 minute for 1 mini for each system affair.
I'm quite surprised they bothered responding to the leak given he was getting revealed in twenty four hours anyway, and there was an (admittedly very potato cam) image of him knocking around a week ago.
The Phazer wrote: I'm quite surprised they bothered responding to the leak given he was getting revealed in twenty four hours anyway, and there was an (admittedly very potato cam) image of him knocking around a week ago.
I mean, you'll also get the inevitable idea that floated around that they leaked it themselves for some reason.
It is actually a lovely model; one of the best attempts they've had at updating a classic concept without feeling the need to change things just coz.
The Phazer wrote: I'm quite surprised they bothered responding to the leak given he was getting revealed in twenty four hours anyway, and there was an (admittedly very potato cam) image of him knocking around a week ago.
It was likely more to do with putting out the "other Aeldari secrets to reveal" part.
The Phazer wrote: I'm quite surprised they bothered responding to the leak given he was getting revealed in twenty four hours anyway, and there was an (admittedly very potato cam) image of him knocking around a week ago.
It was likely more to do with putting out the "other Aeldari secrets to reveal" part.
I was excited when I read that too. But it could just as easily be a "Kill-team" reveal for corsairs. That would fit the aeldari secrets to reveal, while also not revealing anything besides the avatar for the 40k section.
They'd hardly show the logo (if there is one). Besides, there's Horus Heresy which is a likely candidate
Ahaha, I will laugh so much if the Horus Heresy logo amounts to them announcing epic content for the era and nothing about the actual 28mm game. The salt would be overflowing.
Man, if they indeed are bringing Epic back, that'd be the end of 28mm 40K for me! Always preferred skirmish and 6mm scales over the quasi-platoon feel of 40K. I would be totally content with only playing KT21 and Epic..
But I can't honestly see Epic making a comeback..
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hmm.. about this "epic" thing. I found this video: (Skip to 04:50)
lord_blackfang wrote: But we can't have an Epic preview at LVO, there wasn't an Epic game logo on the announcement
They'd hardly show the logo (if there is one). Besides, there's Horus Heresy which is a likely candidate
They’d probably have done a ‘mystery reveal’ thing like they’ve done before if Epic is coming tomorrow.
If I'd take this youtuber's rumour seriously. and GW has been playtesting Epic on December 2021, then we would be getting a "One more thing.." type of teaser at the most. There'd be no way the game is finished yet. But I admit wishlisting here...
I don’t think Orks are coming for AT (there’s no Titanicus logo for a start) but Orks were also around in the Great Crusade so including them wouldn’t even really be out of the setting.
lord_blackfang wrote: But we can't have an Epic preview at LVO, there wasn't an Epic game logo on the announcement
They'd hardly show the logo (if there is one). Besides, there's Horus Heresy which is a likely candidate
They’d probably have done a ‘mystery reveal’ thing like they’ve done before if Epic is coming tomorrow.
If I'd take this youtuber's rumour seriously. and GW has been playtesting Epic on December 2021, then we would be getting a "One more thing.." type of teaser at the most. There'd be no way the game is finished yet. But I admit wishlisting here...
If they were playtesting december it would be dubious would it come in 2022.
lord_blackfang wrote: But we can't have an Epic preview at LVO, there wasn't an Epic game logo on the announcement
They'd hardly show the logo (if there is one). Besides, there's Horus Heresy which is a likely candidate
They’d probably have done a ‘mystery reveal’ thing like they’ve done before if Epic is coming tomorrow.
If I'd take this youtuber's rumour seriously. and GW has been playtesting Epic on December 2021, then we would be getting a "One more thing.." type of teaser at the most. There'd be no way the game is finished yet. But I admit wishlisting here...
If they were playtesting december it would be dubious would it come in 2022.
Well if nothing else, this reinvigorated my interest in tomorrow's reveals! I know I will see at least the new KT box... but theres at least some hope for a real surprise.
I can live in hope that they will announce they made a terrible, terrible mistake and the Necron codexes that went to retail were actually not the final version and they are going to release a new version with completely revamped weapon profiles...
Necronmaniac05 wrote: I can live in hope that they will announce they made a terrible, terrible mistake and the Necron codexes that went to retail were actually not the final version and they are going to release a new version with completely revamped weapon profiles...
Given the core changes, the point changes and so on, I think that's a dead hope. They fixed it!
lord_blackfang wrote: But we can't have an Epic preview at LVO, there wasn't an Epic game logo on the announcement
They'd hardly show the logo (if there is one). Besides, there's Horus Heresy which is a likely candidate
In the past if they were previewing an unannounced game or product line, they would put a blank logo placeholder, usually with ">>>" or "Censored" or "Redacted" etc. over it.
You will also note that "Warhammer 40,000" and "Warhammer 40,000: Kill Team" and "Necromunda" are all separate items on the preview listing, despite all of them otherwise falling under "Warhammer 40,000" (well, Necromunda is arguable, but Kill Team is not). Because "Age of Sigmar" is the only fantasy tag on there, we will not be getting anything to do with Warhammer Quest/Cursed City, nor Warcry, nor Warhammer Underworlds. If Epic is being previewed, its not under "The Horus Heresy", it would be previewed under its own product tag.
This doesn't necessarily preclude the "one last thing" 15 second video clip at the end of the show that says "SOMETHING EPIC IS COMING" or whatever, but if they are doing that they probably aren't actually going to tell us the games full name, nor will they show us minis, only tease us with the potential existence of the product, which will spark furious debates on dakka as to whether or not they are teasing the return of Epic or not, and whether or not its set in 40k or 30k, and whether its 6mm or 8mm or 10mm or actually really a 2nd edition of Apocalypse but named "Epic" instead and using 28mm minis, or if its actually teasing some really random obscure character whos nickname in one Black Library novel published 18 years ago was said to be "The Epic Scrotum-muncher" or something.
And if the rumor is that Epic started playtesting in December 2021, the game isn't being released this year. If anything, with the knowledge that theres a 28mm Horus Heresy reboot supposed to be happening Soon (TM) for which product has been completed and apparently sitting in warehouses, its likely that that is the next major specialist game coming out the gate and the only one which is being released this year - GW is *NOT* going to drop two new specialist games in the same year.
Yeah, they usually tell you what games to expect. Probably to keep people from being like
"No Blood Bowl?" or "No Titanicus?" or "No (insert your fave game here)" sort of un-hype.
That said, there's nothing to say they wouldn't put in a teaser at the very end of the reveals that hints at a teaser for another reveal that might then tease a bit more about something else.
People have been coming up with rumours about Epic since Titanicus was announced, a lot of claims about how "it and AImperialis are totally test beds before progressing into a full Epic system." If you repeat something enough it gets a life of it's own.
Arbitrator wrote: People have been coming up with rumours about Epic since Titanicus was announced, a lot of claims about how "it and AImperialis are totally test beds before progressing into a full Epic system." If you repeat something enough it gets a life of it's own.
I get it. I mean, GW releases models that are in the correct scale for an Epic game and fans start injecting Hopeium right into their veins.
From what I understand, Epic is something that cannibalizes from regular 40k. Yeah they're different systems and scales and such, but why sell two wargames where the only visual difference is the size? Customers get confused.
On top of that, a challenge that GW would have is competing with 3d printers that have already given Epic a new life and new detail. At such a tiny size, 3d printing ends up being a whole heck of a lot more viable for a lot more people. Why start producing a new game when half of your new product line would be so easily replicated?
It just doesn't make sense. Aeronautica was a bid at trying to catch the people falling off from X-Wing 2nd edition and Titanicus is a game geared more towards fans that are bored of Battletech. That's really all there is to it.
He was, from what was said, made available to people at the GW stand. The person who posted that photo was told that today was the first event it would be on sale.
Nighthaunt vs DOK box was unexpected. Nighthaunt model was expected but with DOK? Wonder if these books are next. Would mean previous rumour list was wrong. Hopefully it means books coming faster than rumour said
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cuda1179 wrote: Did they hint that the Avatar would have different statlines line a Bloodthirster?
We have seen the datasheet for avatar so not much they have to hint.
tneva82 wrote: Nighthaunt vs DOK box was unexpected. Nighthaunt model was expected but with DOK? Wonder if these books are next. Would mean previous rumour list was wrong. Hopefully it means books coming faster than rumour said
the end of the video said this was up for preorder now. So I imagine this is coming fast. Very surprised.
tneva82 wrote: Nighthaunt vs DOK box was unexpected. Nighthaunt model was expected but with DOK? Wonder if these books are next. Would mean previous rumour list was wrong. Hopefully it means books coming faster than rumour said
the end of the video said this was up for preorder now. So I imagine this is coming fast. Very surprised.
Yeah.
Of course no word on battletomes so there's no quarantee those comes fast. But hopefully those are following soon as well. DOK would be odd one to get new book so soon but GW works in GW's way and maybe they could do with bit of toning down(and morathi could do with rethinking to be less annoying to deal with)
tneva82 wrote: Nighthaunt vs DOK box was unexpected. Nighthaunt model was expected but with DOK? Wonder if these books are next. Would mean previous rumour list was wrong. Hopefully it means books coming faster than rumour said
the end of the video said this was up for preorder now. So I imagine this is coming fast. Very surprised.
Yeah.
Of course no word on battletomes so there's no quarantee those comes fast. But hopefully those are following soon as well. DOK would be odd one to get new book so soon but GW works in GW's way and maybe they could do with bit of toning down(and morathi could do with rethinking to be less annoying to deal with)
I'm just surprised. Like if that's going up for preorder now, or this weekend it's way out of the blue and left field for me.
This hour long preview was awful, only showed one corsair and no actual necromunda models shown. Felt like bait watching this crap all the way through. And the eldar stuff we already kinda saw and knew what was coming, it's not like they tried to hide maugan ra so no suprise there.
Every time I watch one of these I say never again, and I somehow get suckered back into it every year. Well this time might be it.
This preview matched my expectations in hindsight. Which kida blows since I would like the HH box to release ASAP.. But noes. Drip feed as always
At least the corsairs in the new KT box will give me some Rogue Trader Eldar Pirate fix. I intend to paint them in one of the classic colour schemes with those triangley patterns.
tauist wrote: This preview matched my expectations in hindsight. Which kida blows since I would like the HH box to release ASAP.. But noes. Drip feed as always
At least the corsairs in the new KT box will give me some Rogue Trader Eldar Pirate fix. I intend to paint them in one of the classic colour schemes with those triangley patterns.
Has there ever been new edition launched february-april? As that's the timeline previews now would be released to stores(barring unexpected delays).
They absolutely would NOT show anything released in summer today. Those you can expect to see april-may.
Right so what other faction is boxed with the Corsairs in the new KT box? WarCom still hasn't updated the site with all the unveils and the rerun hasn't started yet either.
BrookM wrote: Right so what other faction is boxed with the Corsairs in the new KT box? WarCom still hasn't updated the site with all the unveils and the rerun hasn't started yet either.
They only showed one, the other is still a mystery.
So 90 minutes for 3 eldar units we knew were coming and seen either wholly or in part before, a sigmar battle box and a blood thirster nobody sane can afford.
They somehow keep moving that bar lower and lower.
Oh and a single corsair model, because heaven forbid they show the unit or box contents.