Shandara wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm hating this book.

Well at least you're one of the lucky few that HAS the book then! Most of us are only allowed to hate it in absentio.

As of today, the book is again available. Even for mikhaila

 mikhaila wrote:
It will go up on sale on the website, and tragically none will be available for stores to scramble for on the monday after.

That would be a damn shame, Mike.

And there was much rejoicing!

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Shandara wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm hating this book.

Well at least you're one of the lucky few that HAS the book then! Most of us are only allowed to hate it in absentio.

As of today, the book is again available. Even for mikhaila

For what country?

It still shows as unavailable on the US site. linky

 Kroothawk wrote:

As of today, the book is again available. Even for mikhaila

It's still out of stock for the US and Australia.


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 kronk wrote:

For what country?

It still shows as unavailable on the US site. linky

For us important UK people.

Seems, the colonies get it later

boyd wrote:

I don't like the fact they made the space marines warrior monks they should have stayed criminals forced into service like they were originally designed back in the late 80's!

Things change over time - we get new kits, new vehicles, new characters, etc. now that GW is going to release a model for everything in their codex/army book and add on to their existing lines. I'm sure the flyer will be in the space marine codex due out later this year.

Hard to be a hardened criminal already when the implantation starts at about age 8-10, depending on which fluff you read....

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
Oh, that's quite a decent solution - that's more than half of the value of the entire book

More than half of the price, not half of the value.

Nu-uh. The guy bought it, obviously he thought it was 'worth' it the first time around...

boyd wrote:
I'm sure the flyer will be in the space marine codex due out later this year.

The Storm Raven and Storm Talon are in the iCodex right now! No need to wait for a new codex.

Also, I haven't seen any reliable rumor that the Space Marines are getting a codex this year.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Shandara wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I'm hating this book.

Well at least you're one of the lucky few that HAS the book then! Most of us are only allowed to hate it in absentio.

As of today, the book is again available. Even for mikhaila

Nope. Out of stock still. And no mention whatsoever has been made to me by GW that it is coming back . (Noted, that a lack of information is sort of expected at this point.)

Finally had a read through it. Man was a waste of money. "Thinly" and "Stretched" don't even begin to describe the so-called content of this book.

The purchase of Crusade of Fire just looks better and better by the second.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Finally had a read through it. Man was a waste of money. "Thinly" and "Stretched" don't even begin to describe the so-called content of this book.

The purchase of Crusade of Fire just looks better and better by the second.

So if I have Crusade of Fire I don't need to bother with this?

Mick

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Finally had a read through it. Man was a waste of money. "Thinly" and "Stretched" don't even begin to describe the so-called content of this book.

The purchase of Crusade of Fire just looks better and better by the second.

You kinda deserved this / had it coming

Oh I didn't buy Death from the Skies, Sigvatr. I just said that I had a read-through of a copy.

 Mick A wrote:
So if I have Crusade of Fire I don't need to bother with this?

No. They contain different things. Buying Crusade of Fire wouldn't get you the updated (and even calling them 'updated' is a stretch) flyer rules.

My point is that before Crusade of Fire came out there was a litany of people screaming bloody murder how it was a content-less reprint of a few random WD articles with some fancy pictures. I bought a copy. I thought it was great. And while it's no mid-3rd Ed Chapter Approved compilation, it still had a lot of new stuff in it (and was great if you like campaigns).

Death from the Skies, however, is just a reprint of Codex rules, a few words changed here and there, a reprint of the Space-Guppy/Dakkajet rules, an amendment to let Marine and Templar players buy the Storm Raven kit, and some scenarios. Worse, it has reprinted rules from Crusade of Fire. Of it's 72 pages, 35 of them have rules. The rest is just pictures and other nonsense. Stretched thin!!!

Death from the Skies is not only available for sale again on the GW US website, they've apparently commenced shipping the North American back-orders from the initial weekend it went up for sale.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Stretched thin!!!

Yeah, it definitely was stretched thin. I love me some pictures and fluffy bits, but it still felt a bit light. Not regretting buying it, but definitely could have had more in it. I would have liked to see more flyers in it, or something new. Some new forts for AA, whatever.

C'est la vie.

I also own a game store in the US (just a few miles from Mikhalia's, actually), and just got off the phone with GW. They're back in stock on the website, and they're willing to let me place an order for them, but they're making no promises that I'll be able to get them, and they all but said they certainly won't be able to get me as many as I want (which, for the record, is a meager four copies to start with).

Sounds like you've struck gold then!

No, I mean I only tried to order four, and they pretty much said there's no way I'll get even those.

I want a supplement where all race's fliers can compete in a race, with shooting :3

The thought just struck me:


How are Black Templars or Grey Knights players supposed to know what Locator Beacons do?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thought just struck me:


How are Black Templars or Grey Knights players supposed to know what Locator Beacons do?

An astute observaton, as I myself have no idea what they do.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thought just struck me:


How are Black Templars or Grey Knights players supposed to know what Locator Beacons do?

An astute observaton, as I myself have no idea what they do.

Obviously you need to buy all the books to know what's going on.
All the books.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thought just struck me:


How are Black Templars or Grey Knights players supposed to know what Locator Beacons do?

An astute observaton, as I myself have no idea what they do.

FWIW it's a Teleporter Homer that works for everything as opposed to just Teleporting units, at least if it's meant to be the same as the one from C:SM...

Ordered my copy Monday morning...still waiting...

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thought just struck me:


How are Black Templars or Grey Knights players supposed to know what Locator Beacons do?

An astute observaton, as I myself have no idea what they do.

FWIW it's a Teleporter Homer that works for everything as opposed to just Teleporting units, at least if it's meant to be the same as the one from C:SM...

You mean for drop pods and such? Do they home in on the flier or simply dont scatter wherever you put them? If its in C:SM I do own it.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thought just struck me:


How are Black Templars or Grey Knights players supposed to know what Locator Beacons do?

An astute observaton, as I myself have no idea what they do.

FWIW it's a Teleporter Homer that works for everything as opposed to just Teleporting units, at least if it's meant to be the same as the one from C:SM...

You mean for drop pods and such? Do they home in on the flier or simply dont scatter wherever you put them? If its in C:SM I do own it.

It's in C:SM and it works for everything that Deep Strikes within X" of the Beacon. It's pretty handy if you want to have a minimum scoring squad in the Stormraven, as it allows you to deploy onto objectives withouth having to Hover and without risking mishap.

So the Raven drops it on a point its passed over? Or takes the Becaon as an option and is able to safely deploy the squad? Either way Im reading the dex tonight lol. Thought it was just in the flyer book or BA dex.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
So the Raven drops it on a point its passed over? Or takes the Becaon as an option and is able to safely deploy the squad? Either way Im reading the dex tonight lol. Thought it was just in the flyer book or BA dex.

The Raven drops the unit at a point it's passed over, but if you have the Beacon you won't scatter if you're within X" of the Raven, as you deploy as per the deep strike rules.

But it won't work if the beacon isn't on the board at the start of the turn

Does the Dangerous Terrain drop rule come into effect still?

Death From The Skies has sold out again in North America. From Games Workshop today:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog.jsp?pid=8200020

Death from the Skies is currently out of stock in North America – it seems that flyers are particularly popular on that side of the Atlantic! As soon as the book is back in stock we'll let you know right here on White Dwarf Daily.

Seems, GW did everything right with this release

In spite of the unending complaints about the book on the forum(s) customers voted "yes" with their dollars. That speaks a lot louder to GW than the whining on the forums, so I would not be surprised to see GW put out more products that are similar in the near future. Death From The Skies has proven to be very popular. If the book had flopped and was sitting in piles in the GW warehouse things would be different, but it has sold out twice now in one of their larger markets. So like it or not, GW will see Death From The Skies as a product they'd like to repeat.

It's easy to claim overwhelming demand if you only print a few each time. Since we don't know how many they printed these 2 times..

The only thing we can say is they printed too few each time.

Also, it's effectively a mandatory rules update for 1-2 thirds of the playerbase, that will be pushed on anyone buying the flyers contained within it.

The problem isn't even so much the book, as how they handled it.

800 is a few when compared to the playerbase, really. And the fact that for a large part of those the rules replace codex entries (even if they are near identical).

800 was from a source with no backing other than 'some GW guy told me'.

True that.

On the other hand, maybe they just didn't believe people when they said the book was useless (which it is, unless you play codex marines) and bought it anyway.

At which point, they then realise, the book is, in fact, useless and so won't buy any others under that assumption.

 Compel wrote:
On the other hand, maybe they just didn't believe people when they said the book was useless (which it is, unless you play codex marines) and bought it anyway.

At which point, they then realise, the book is, in fact, useless and so won't buy any others under that assumption.

That might explain the first run, but the second run?

As for it being useless, I bought two and sold one to a local. I am happy to have all of the rules for the flyers and like the fluffy bits. It is still padded all to heck, but it isn't useless.

Either way, haven't we beaten this horse to death?

Looks like the book has been pulled from GW's site in its entirety.

Some web-lackey is going to get a beating.


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 oni wrote:
Looks like the book has been pulled from GW's site in its entirety.

Still around and available on the UK site,

it's probably just gone from the US one as it's sold out for the second time (as posted above) and will reappear when it comes back into stock

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 oni wrote:
Looks like the book has been pulled from GW's site in its entirety.

Still around and available on the UK site,

it's probably just gone from the US one as it's sold out for the second time (as posted above) and will reappear when it comes back into stock

It's very possible, but the last time they at least left the place holder (picture and details) for the product. I don't know, just seems a little odd.

I changed the country to have a look and this is what I found on the UK site...

Due to exceptional demand Death From The Skies is out of stock in North America. We will make this book available to purchase as soon as we are able, in the meantime please keep checking back on this product page for any updates.

How can you say it's a success when we don't know the number of sales and it's a required supplement for multiple models?

 Amaya wrote:
How can you say it's a success when we don't know the number of sales and it's a required supplement for multiple models?

How can you say its not a success when we don't know the number of sales and it's a required supplement for multiple models?

Had the book in hand just yesterday. It isn´t too shabby, but indeed unfortunately a missed opportunity. The point cost on the Talon has changed so why didn´t they use the chance to do so on the Valkyrie? Whatever. A friend has it so no need for me to buy it. ;-)

The age of secret official rules-changes has begun

How can you say it's a success when we don't know the number of sales and it's a required supplement for multiple models?

Why do even simple facts get turned into some kind of metaphysical debate on forums?

Look, whether customers want to call it a success or not is irrelevant, from GW's perspective it clearly is a success. If they create a product with a certain production cost and then do a print run of a certain size designed to make a certain level of profit and it sells out, that is clearly for them a success. To have it do so initially in 4 hours, then have the second print run sell out again is more success than they were expecting. Besides selling out in North America twice, it also sold out in Australia once and is apparently doing well elsewhere.

Whilst it may be a financial success it is a huge loss in terms of not understanding how to fulfil the needs of their customer base when it comes to production and supply forecasting. In a fairly fickle industry having your product out of stock is asking for the sale to be lost to other competitors. Also having paid for FAQs (this was essentially what this was) risks alienating a portion of your customer base.

Let it die. We understand that there are multiple sides to this argument.

 Kroothawk wrote:
The age of secret official rules-changes has begun

Hasn't it already been here? I mean, I remember when they did some stealth second printing codices with rules changes in them.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
In spite of the unending complaints about the book on the forum(s) customers voted "yes" with their dollars. That speaks a lot louder to GW than the whining on the forums, so I would not be surprised to see GW put out more products that are similar in the near future. Death From The Skies has proven to be very popular. If the book had flopped and was sitting in piles in the GW warehouse things would be different, but it has sold out twice now in one of their larger markets. So like it or not, GW will see Death From The Skies as a product they'd like to repeat.

I bought a copy for myself, and when I read it all I could think was "I want my money back". Too many releases like that and people will adopt a personnel review before purchase policy that can only harm sales of a direct only product. All of that matrial should have been released in white dwarf, say three issues. I would have purchased three WD for that info, but I guess they don't want rules related info getting in the way of their adds in WD.

The book has been out for a couple weeks now. Why are we still talking about this? Let it go, seriously.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
adopt a personnel review before purchase policy that can only harm sales of a direct only product.

I lol'd. We should definitely make sure we do our performance reviews previous to purchasing anything.

All of that matrial should have been released in white dwarf, say three issues. I would have purchased three WD for that info, but I guess they don't want rules related info getting in the way of their adds in WD.

Wait, so it is okay for $30.00 but not for $33? That extra $3 and more durable form really kicked it for you?

Curious, it looks like GW has drop it from their online sales.

It is no where to be found on its site. Any links that exist send you back to the main page.

It works on the German site and it also says that it's sold out in North America.

40k-noob wrote:
Curious, it looks like GW has drop it from their online sales.

It is no where to be found on its site. Any links that exist send you back to the main page.

You probably missed this as it's burried on the previous pages, it's because the 2nd print run is sold out in the USA

It will be back on the site when more copies arrive again

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Curious, it looks like GW has drop it from their online sales.

It is no where to be found on its site. Any links that exist send you back to the main page.

You probably missed this as it's burried on the previous pages, it's because the 2nd print run is sold out in the USA

It will be back on the site when more copies arrive again

That's weird. Why not simply slap the Sold Out image on it like the Limited Edition Codex/Army Books, instead of removing it altogether?

Got the book.

Guilty for supporting bad behaviour of GW.

Promised myself I will never get a FAQ you pay for ever again.

I justify this with myself thinking this is one of their "mistakes" and they will clue in next time.

Problem is if too many people are like me they may use this as the new gold standard and we would have to pay a subscription to rules updates next time. I can see it now: you have to pay to get rules upgrades over your less wealthy opponents.

40k-noob wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
Curious, it looks like GW has drop it from their online sales.

It is no where to be found on its site. Any links that exist send you back to the main page.

You probably missed this as it's burried on the previous pages, it's because the 2nd print run is sold out in the USA

It will be back on the site when more copies arrive again

That's weird. Why not simply slap the Sold Out image on it like the Limited Edition Codex/Army Books, instead of removing it altogether?

Presumably because it's not sold out in the same way a LE codex is, but is going to come back in stock (but far enough into future that they don't want orders in the interim)

 pretre wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
adopt a personnel review before purchase policy that can only harm sales of a direct only product.

I lol'd. We should definitely make sure we do our performance reviews previous to purchasing anything.

All of that matrial should have been released in white dwarf, say three issues. I would have purchased three WD for that info, but I guess they don't want rules related info getting in the way of their adds in WD.

Wait, so it is okay for $30.00 but not for $33? That extra $3 and more durable form really kicked it for you?

Darn autocorrecting.
Self review before purchase. Maybe not a bad idea when buying plastic crack.

I know, it sounds odd, but sometimes WD had something in addition to whatever article I wanted that helped soften the blow of paying for it.
For $33 it should have at least come with a cool book mark to hold the spot for the important pages!

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

For $33 it should have at least come with a cool book mark to hold the spot for the important pages!

I believe you mean important PAGE.

Compel wrote:

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

For $33 it should have at least come with a cool book mark to hold the spot for the important pages!

I believe you mean important PAGE.

No no, he's right, it's pages. You would get one page AND the one opposite it. And GW would only charge you 10% more for that second page

We do not allow discussion of pirating here at Dakka. Thank you.

I'm sorry, but it's against dakka policy to promote such illegal things on the internet.

Oh sorry.

BTW, bought mine at the FLGS last night. Seems GW is releasing them to retailers a little bit. Anyone else seen it at their stores?

Yea, we have it in ours

Breaking News: "Death from the Skies" gone, you heard it from faeit212 first!

Natfka wrote:Dead: Death From the Skies
1st April

It appears that Death from the Skies is dead and gone. A couple readers have sent in emails that it is gone from the GW site, and I myself could not find it anywhere. Of course the book is not necessarily needed for the game, and for collectors, well, it could be a hot one with it no longer available.

The book looks likes its gone.

I may be missing something here but upon inspection it would seem that Death from the Skies is nowhere to be found on GW's website any longer... ? Just thought that was really strange.

I was on GW tonight looking for the death from the skies book, was just looking and thinking about it and I can't find it anywhere or any mention of the book itself

Give him a day until he posts the next breaking news that he figured out that it is currently out of stock in North America only.
Too bad he never reads rumour threads, just posts them.

It's still on the Australian webstore, available to order and no limited icon.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Breaking News: "Death from the Skies" gone, you heard it from faeit212 first!

Natfka wrote:Dead: Death From the Skies
1st April

It appears that Death from the Skies is dead and gone. A couple readers have sent in emails that it is gone from the GW site, and I myself could not find it anywhere. Of course the book is not necessarily needed for the game, and for collectors, well, it could be a hot one with it no longer available.

The book looks likes its gone.

I may be missing something here but upon inspection it would seem that Death from the Skies is nowhere to be found on GW's website any longer... ? Just thought that was really strange.

I was on GW tonight looking for the death from the skies book, was just looking and thinking about it and I can't find it anywhere or any mention of the book itself

Give him a day until he posts the next breaking news that he figured out that it is currently out of stock in North America only.
Too bad he never reads rumour threads, just posts them.

I facepalmed when it popped on my Reader this morning.

Kroothawk wrote:Give him a day until he posts the next breaking news that he figured out that it is currently out of stock in North America only.

-Loki- wrote:It's still on the Australian webstore, available to order and no limited icon.

I give you a day as well

Death From The Skies is currently for sale once again on the GW North American web stores.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1950012a

 Kroothawk wrote:
Breaking News: "Death from the Skies" gone, you heard it from faeit212 first!

Natfka wrote:Dead: Death From the Skies
1st April

It appears that Death from the Skies is dead and gone. A couple readers have sent in emails that it is gone from the GW site, and I myself could not find it anywhere. Of course the book is not necessarily needed for the game, and for collectors, well, it could be a hot one with it no longer available.

The book looks likes its gone.

I may be missing something here but upon inspection it would seem that Death from the Skies is nowhere to be found on GW's website any longer... ? Just thought that was really strange.

I was on GW tonight looking for the death from the skies book, was just looking and thinking about it and I can't find it anywhere or any mention of the book itself

Give him a day until he posts the next breaking news that he figured out that it is currently out of stock in North America only.
Too bad he never reads rumour threads, just posts them.

GW's policies with erasing products from history reminds me of what Stalin used to do to cronys he didnt like anymore:

 Harriticus wrote:
GW's policies with erasing products from history reminds me of what Stalin used to do to cronys he didnt like anymore:

Amusing. Is there a Godwin-type rule for Stalin'ing someone?

Also, GW didn't erase anything from history with DFTS. It is already back.