Honestly why even bother, it's an offer that you really have to go out of your way to take advantage of, and I imagine most people probably won't. You're still better off waiting until you can buy enough gak to get free shipping anyway, aren't you?
Oh, and cue the "GW/FW could cure cancer and people would still complain!" nonsense I guess, lol.
Bull0 wrote: Anybody else think it's a little awkward in this day and age to be given a voucher for your *next* order, that you can only redeem by calling them?
I actually misread it the first time around, so thanks for pointing it out. The voucher being for a future order doesn't make any sense. If you are going to order twice from FW to even use the voucher, you could easily go above the 250 GBP mark to get free shipping on all the items if you order all the items at the same time, instead of only getting free shipping on the second half of your order.
If they had simply made shipping free for the month leading up to christmas, they might actually have seen an order from me. Now 'll just wait untill the Mechanicus units get released
Bull0 wrote: Anybody else think it's a little awkward in this day and age to be given a voucher for your *next* order, that you can only redeem by calling them?
Total guess, but maybe their website can't handle free shipping coupon codes.
Bull0 wrote: Anybody else think it's a little awkward in this day and age to be given a voucher for your *next* order, that you can only redeem by calling them?
Total guess, but maybe their website can't handle free shipping coupon codes.
I think part of the problem might be that the website just calculates "shipping", but in reality that shipping charge includes shipping and taxes.
So giving you "free shipping" probably includes some book keeping manipulation at their end to make sure that you actually get free shipping and that they still collect applicable taxes.
A regular sale might be $100 + 15% shipping (divided between actual shipping cost and taxes). But giving you "free shipping" might require them to calculate a discounted sales price of the actual model so that they can then add the taxes to the cost of the model instead of absorbing it in the shipping charge.
So a regular sale would be $100 model + $15 shipping and taxes, and a discounted sale would be $100 model and taxes + $0 shipping.
Doing all that math might just be easier to do via phone call instead of changing the website.
I get those types of vouchers fairly regularly and I love them.
(Well.. there is a code you enter in the checkout, and it's not just for shipping it's like 15-25% off, but I digress.)
Having said that I get them from the guys I get my paints and stuff from so I put in small orders every month, for a boutique store like forgeworld where orders can easily be 6 months or a year in between I really don't see the point, especially when they are only valid for January. Seems kinda like they wanted to give something away but weren't allowed to give anything meaningful.
Having said that I get them from the guys I get my paints and stuff from so I put in small orders every month, for a boutique store like forgeworld where orders can easily be 6 months or a year in between I really don't see the point, especially when they are only valid for January. Seems kinda like they wanted to give something away but weren't allowed to give anything meaningful.
It's not just for January, is it? I thought it was from (whenever your order gets to you) through the end of January...
I know I would order FW more often if it wouldn't be for the 15% upcharge unless you hit the magic number, so a voucher like that is actually helpful for me.
This is actually kind of helpful for me as I'm about to make a small order and I can then give the voucher to my girlfriend for when she orders my Christmas present, hehe!
Heliodore wrote: This is actually kind of helpful for me as I'm about to make a small order and I can then give the voucher to my girlfriend for when she orders my Christmas present, hehe!
Your Christmas present doesn't hit the free shipping point? O.o
Heliodore wrote: This is actually kind of helpful for me as I'm about to make a small order and I can then give the voucher to my girlfriend for when she orders my Christmas present, hehe!
Your Christmas present doesn't hit the free shipping point? O.o
Can't take advantage of free shipping here as the amount needed to get it tips the scale for the tax department here and we have to pay 15% import duty which is exactly what the shipping discount is plus it gets held up in customs until the tax is paid.
You might get lucky and it doesn't get picked up by customs but generally the tax cancels out the free shipping.
Heliodore wrote: This is actually kind of helpful for me as I'm about to make a small order and I can then give the voucher to my girlfriend for when she orders my Christmas present, hehe!
Your Christmas present doesn't hit the free shipping point? O.o
I'm already a pretty luck guy, no point in pushing that luck, hehe!
Cover art for the revised Imperial Armour Volume II(Space Marines and the forces of the Inquisition--unless they have removed the second part) got posted today as Forge World hit 40,000 "Likes" on Facebook.
Link here if you want to get it for use as wallpaper.
Nice to see more of the Heresy Era kit making it's way into the 40k timelines (after the Fellblade entry in the Apocalypse book).
Also, wasn't the Imperial Navy part of book 2? Edit - nope, I was wrong. Wonder if the Repressor will still have the "For use in an Adeptus Sororitas or Adeptus Arbites army" line.
Kanluwen wrote: Cover art for the revised Imperial Armour Volume II(Space Marines and the forces of the Inquisition--unless they have removed the second part) got posted today as Forge World hit 40,000 "Likes" on Facebook.
Kanluwen wrote: Cover art for the revised Imperial Armour Volume II(Space Marines and the forces of the Inquisition--unless they have removed the second part) got posted today as Forge World hit 40,000 "Likes" on Facebook.
A variant of the Sicaran battle tank introduced towards the end of the Great Crusade, the Sicaran Venator is a purpose-built tank destroyer. It mounts the fearsome neutron laser system and the atomantic arc-reactors required to power it. The neutron laser is a formidable anti-armour weapon, and is capable of penetrating any known armour. The combination of mobility, protection and firepower being highly valued by the Space Marine Legions.
The Sicaran Venator, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is a complete resin kit that comes with a choice of lascannon or heavy bolter sponsons, as well as a remote turret-mounted heavy bolter. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Saturday 30th November.
Quite a nice design. I like the automatic heavy bolter mount topside, a nice modern touch that the Imperium has since forgot how to make. I do hope they're almost done with space marine tanks, though, there's no design space left for any more, I dont think.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Quite a nice design. I like the automatic heavy bolter mount topside, a nice modern touch that the Imperium has since forgot how to make. I do hope they're almost done with space marine tanks, though, there's no design space left for any more, I dont think.
almost correct, except there is the grav attack tank shown here:
Agamemnon2 wrote: Quite a nice design. I like the automatic heavy bolter mount topside, a nice modern touch that the Imperium has since forgot how to make. I do hope they're almost done with space marine tanks, though, there's no design space left for any more, I dont think.
The amount of tanks coming out that look nearly identical is getting beyond boring now. It's just lazy. I know the Istavan battle is tank heavy but please titillate us with something original.
Heresy models have been so loved because they are different from the 40k range and yet still within the general feel of it all.
Just so everyone knows, we've tweaked the Badab Space Marine Characters update and the Chapter Tactics rules. The only change in the latter is to finesse the wording on the Red Hunters 'By This Seal' rule, but if anyone has any questions please feel free to pass them along.
Agamemnon2 wrote: Quite a nice design. I like the automatic heavy bolter mount topside, a nice modern touch that the Imperium has since forgot how to make. I do hope they're almost done with space marine tanks, though, there's no design space left for any more, I dont think.
You would be surprised how many are left for FW to make actually! Check out Heliodore's blog sometime, he seems to have rummaged up a considerable amount of tanks/SM craft from the depths of Rogue Trader books and whatnot.
The Primarch of the Iron Hands Legion, Ferrus Manus, was a figure of legend amongst the peoples of his home world of Medusa, named by them ‘the Gorgon’ after the most ancient of mythic creatures. Ferrus was amongst the strongest of the Primarchs, dwarfing many of them in both strength and stature.
He was blessed of a physiology remarkable even amongst the Primarchs. His arms were sheathed in liquid metal, the result, so the legends of Medusa claim, of a battle fought against the mightiest of beasts on that world before he was re-united with the Emperor. His armour is as heavy and impenetrable as that of a super-heavy tank, yet he keeps both arms uncovered so that he might bring their full might to bear.
Ferrus Manus, designed by Simon Egan, is an amazingly detailed multi-part resin model armed with Forgebreaker and equipped with the Medusan Carapace. The latest edition to our Horus Heresy Character Series, Ferrus stands atop a scenic base depicting the carnage on Isstvan V. Available to pre-order now, this model will be despatched from Friday 8th November.
Rules and background for the Primarch Ferrus Manus and his Legion can be found in The Horus Heresy Book Two: Massacre. You can find out how Simon Egan approached this iconic project here. The base of Ferrus Manus can also be combined with Fulgrim’s to create a diorama of the two Primarchs duelling.
"Rest? We were not made to rest; we go on, unflinching, unstoppable, unending in our strength. The Emperor did not make us for such mortal concerns as hearth and home, vanity or contemplation; we are his engines of war, his hammers, beating out the fabric of existence into a vessel fit for Mankind to inhabit."
Ferrus Manus, as quoted in ‘Shadow of the Gorgon’ by the remembrancer Czel Atternus
Renowned for their pride, cold-hearted brutality and remorselessness in battle, the Iron Hands were among the most powerful and famed Space Marine Legions of the Great Crusade. They were the hammer that had shattered countless foes in the Emperor’s quest to liberate Mankind from the darkness of Old Night.
Since the dark times of the Horus Heresy, in honour of their Primarch Ferrus Manus, the Iron Hands ritually replace their right hands with a mechanical augmentation; to them flesh has become symbolic of weakness and weakness is something that they will not tolerate.
Designed by Israel Gonzalez, the Iron Hands Legion Mk III Squad is a five-man multi-part kit fitted out in Mk III Iron Armour that features many details such as cybernetic limbs, a nuncio-vox and an auspex. This kit is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 8th November. If you would like to further customise your Iron Hands force, there is also a Chapter Upgrade bundle available as well as an Iron Hands Legion section on our website.
"The dimension of mercy is above the warrior’s thoughts and has no place in them; only cruel necessity and the solaces of victory constitute the warrior’s philosophy, whole and entire."
Ruth’vann Magnar, Warlord of Albia, M.29
The Deimos pattern is an early type of Vindicator used by the Space Marine Legions during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy, although many are still operational in the service of Space Marine Chapters in the 41st Millennium. A powerful assault tank, the Vindicator's principal armament is a heavy-calibre demolisher cannon capable of shattering fortifications and breaching the armour plates of tanks with equal ease. It is invaluable in urban warfare as it can blast and shunt its way through barricades and obstacles, enabling troops following behind free passage through streets that might have otherwise swiftly degenerated into kill zones.
The Legion Deimos Pattern Vindicator, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is a complete resin and plastic kit, and is available to buy now. Rules for the Legion Vindicator can be found in The Horus Heresy Book One – Betrayal.
"Victory is won by the precise application of superior force at the point of maximum vulnerability."
Perturabo, Primarch of the Iron Warriors
We have now added Legion Upgrade Bundles for the Death Guard, Emperor’s Children, Iron Hands, Night Lords, Sons of Horus, Word Bearers and World Eater Legions to our Horus Heresy range. Featuring etched brass, decal sheets, vehicle doors and shoulder pads, these bundles are a great way to customise your Legion force.
A variant of the Sicaran battle tank introduced towards the end of the Great Crusade, the Sicaran Venator is a purpose-built tank destroyer. It mounts the fearsome neutron laser system and the atomantic arc-reactors required to power it. The neutron laser is a formidable anti-armour weapon, and is capable of matching certain super-heavy class vehicles in firepower.
The Sicaran Venator, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is a complete resin kit that comes with a choice of lascannon or heavy bolter sponsons, as well as a remote turret-mounted heavy bolter. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Saturday 30th November.
"Identify your target. Concentrate your fire on it to the exclusion of all else. When it is destroyed choose another target. That is the way to secure victory"
REALM OF BATTLE SPACE MARINE CASTELLUM STRONGHOLD[]
When the situation calls for a prolonged deployment, Space Marines can rapidly construct modular fortified structures, known as Castellum Strongholds, to use as forward operating bases on a planet’s surface.
Designed by Blake Spence, the Realm of Battle Space Marine Castellum Stronghold is a 24" x 24" (609 mm x 609 mm) tile which can fit the Citadel Realm of Battle board. The model features areas that can accommodate Tarantula Sentry turrets, and its design allows several boards to be put together, expanding the size of the base. The Castellum Stronghold will be available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Saturday 30th November.
Castellum Strongholds were used in our Isstvan V display boards at Games Day UK which you can see here.
REALM OF BATTLE BOARD MORTALIS SET 2 Online exclusive deal. The Realm of Battle Zone Mortalis Set contains all four of the Zone Mortalis individual tiles, allowing for a huge range of possible corridor arrangements covering a total area of 2' x 2' (600mm x 600mm). Epsilon Complex, Eta Complex, Theta Complex and Zeta Complex are each 1' x 1' (300mm x 300mm) tiles that are fully compatible and interchangeable with each other.Detailed hollow resin tiles, designed by Blake Spence. To see our video of Zone Mortalis click here.
The Zone Mortalis tiles use hollow resin, which allows us to produce highly detailed, light and very durable scenery pieces. Due to the casting process of this material, it is sometimes possible to find small air bubbles on these terrain pieces. These are easy to fill as our Working with Resin guide explains. Blast doors shown in some images available separately. Figures shown in some images for illustration purposes only. The last image shown to illustrate how expandable the set is.
BATTLE READY CASTELLUM STRONGHOLD Bundle includes: Castellum Stronghold x1, Space Marine Air Defense Missile Launcher x1, Space Marine Air Defense Command Platform x1, Space Marine Tarantula with Lascannon x1, Space Marine Tarantula with Heavy Bolters and Space Marine Tarantula with Multi-Melta.
SPACE MARINE CASTELLUM CITADEL Bundle includes: Castellum Stronghold x4, Space Marine Air Defense Missile Launcher x4, Space Marine Air Defense Command Platform x1, Space Marine Tarantula with Lascannon x4, Space Marine Tarantula with Heavy Bolters x4 and Space Marine Tarantula with Multi-Melta x4.
Anyone heard if there will be any more mech released before Christmas? Looking to finish off my list. Thinking it unlikely as they seemed to be focused on the bundle packages. Which are way cool but except the second zone mortalis tile bundle not for me. Needing more robot bits!
Also, clues to future releases - Infernum pattern razorback? Sounds like the old Lascannon and twin linked plasma gun version maybe making a re-appearance...
Also - looks like a few Space Marine super heavies have made it in...
Imperial Armour Volume Two – Second Edition: War Machines of the Adeptus Astartes is a 256 page full colour hardback book which provides you with rules to use the large range of Forge World Space Marine armoured vehicles, flyers and artillery in your games of Warhammer 40,000.
Included within this brand new edition are profiles and rules for over 30 vehicles, from specialised variants of the mighty Land Raider to the heavily armed Thunderhawk Gunship, alongside extensive background material on the war machines of the Space Marines, their tactics and manufacture. The book includes Legacies of Glory, special upgrades that mark your vehicle as a truly ancient and honoured veteran of the wars that heralded the Age of the Imperium, rules for relic vehicles such as the Sicaran Battle Tank, and the vehicles used by the zealous Battle Sisters of the Adepta Sororitas, as well as those seconded to the service of the agents of the dreaded Inquisition.
In addition to this wealth of information, Imperial Armour Volume Two – Second Edition presents extensive details on the paint schemes and markings used by the Space Marines of the Adeptus Astartes.
In order to use this book, you will need the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook and the relevant Codex for your army. To use certain units, you will need the Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse expansion.
We have a limited quantity of this book available to order now that can be delivered in time for Christmas. If you want to get hold of this book, act fast and order now! This book will go on general release sometime early 2014. You can also see a video preview of the book in our Forge World Visual Feed channel.
So the only way to get free shipping from Forge World now is one of those stupid vouchers?
I was all set to order a few hundred pounds worth but I'm not paying an extra 15% shipping! it's laughable.
Joyboozer wrote: So the only way to get free shipping from Forge World now is one of those stupid vouchers?
I was all set to order a few hundred pounds worth but I'm not paying an extra 15% shipping! it's laughable.
They still offer their free express shipping for orders over 250 pound
Joyboozer wrote: So the only way to get free shipping from Forge World now is one of those stupid vouchers?
I was all set to order a few hundred pounds worth but I'm not paying an extra 15% shipping! it's laughable.
They still offer their free express shipping for orders over 250 pound
Is that paying for normal shipping but upgraded to express for free, or free shipping?
Joyboozer wrote: So the only way to get free shipping from Forge World now is one of those stupid vouchers?
I was all set to order a few hundred pounds worth but I'm not paying an extra 15% shipping! it's laughable.
They still offer their free express shipping for orders over 250 pound
Is that paying for normal shipping but upgraded to express for free, or free shipping?
Yeah, I was thinking that. Tis a shame, though I suppose that Volkite weapons are Heresy era only. Or, an even more delicious thought, Adeptus Mechanicus only...
Joyboozer wrote: So the only way to get free shipping from Forge World now is one of those stupid vouchers?
I was all set to order a few hundred pounds worth but I'm not paying an extra 15% shipping! it's laughable.
They still offer their free express shipping for orders over 250 pound
Is that paying for normal shipping but upgraded to express for free, or free shipping?
zedmeister wrote: Yeah, I was thinking that. Tis a shame, though I suppose that Volkite weapons are Heresy era only. Or, an even more delicious thought, Adeptus Mechanicus only...
I 'spose if they want to leave Volkite weapons in the 31st millennium, even as a one-off, then fair enough.
Did some squinting, and that AS entry was quite interesting. Well written, too, which is always appreciated.
Interestingly, that box on the right talks quite a bit about giant mobile Cathedrals that the Ecclesiarchy fields. A future SoB super-heavy, perhaps? That would be bloody brilliant. Though I shall refrain from cautious optimism, for the moment.
Troike wrote: Did some squinting, and that AS entry was quite interesting. Well written, too, which is always appreciated.
Interestingly, that box on the right talks quite a bit about giant mobile Cathedrals that the Ecclesiarchy fields. A future SoB super-heavy, perhaps? That would be bloody brilliant. Though I shall refrain from cautious optimism, for the moment.
I think it's fair to say that they'll get the FW treatment when GW finally gets round to the codex.
Separately, I posted this in a thread in 40k general. Thought it'd be worth reposting here:
Here's the extract for the Thunderhawk Transporter:
A few points to note on the rules and notes listed:
HP: 9 (Not structure points, but Hit Points)
The "Lord of War" badge - not seen that before outside of the Heresy books.
Looks like this book may fit in with the upcoming escalation book
Troike wrote: Interestingly, that box on the right talks quite a bit about giant mobile Cathedrals that the Ecclesiarchy fields. A future SoB super-heavy, perhaps?
I'd bet on just a reference to the same illustration that gave me my avatar. So, something from third edition Witch Hunter codex. They had 9 years to sculpt it, if they planed on making it into a model. Not coming any time soon.
he's the best chance of getting a primarch in a lower level point game with his cheaper costs.
I quite like the model - i only wish they did a variant for him after 'Aurelian' as he lost his limp wristed attitude then and got a whole bottle of 'man up' down his neck
I'll be buying and painting all of the primarchs and other HH character releases. I doubt I'll ever field one on the table, though. They're just pretty.
Looking forward to Lorgar, the Gamesday miniature shown looked cool, but it's the 5th Primarch I'm looking forward to which should be Horus as Forgeworld hinted in their seminars
Looking at that pic again makes me wonder why they couldn't have made the slag heap that Erebus and Kor Phaeron stand on somehow fit to it for a centerpiece to a word bearers army.
So, has FW basically given up the ghost on non-Marine models?
I mean, what was the last release which wasn't marines? The Tesseract Barge in Fall of Orpheus?
I know this HH stuff is a cash cow, but there are other thing than marines. I hear Elysian players still wanting their carapace vets/stormtroopers, or the Necron characters introduced in IA12, or Death Korps with Laspistols/close combat weapons, as a few examples.
MajorStoffer wrote: So, has FW basically given up the ghost on non-Marine models?
I mean, what was the last release which wasn't marines? The Tesseract Barge in Fall of Orpheus?
I know this HH stuff is a cash cow, but there are other thing than marines. I hear Elysian players still wanting their carapace vets/stormtroopers, or the Necron characters introduced in IA12, or Death Korps with Laspistols/close combat weapons, as a few examples.
MajorStoffer wrote: So, has FW basically given up the ghost on non-Marine models?
I mean, what was the last release which wasn't marines? The Tesseract Barge in Fall of Orpheus?
I know this HH stuff is a cash cow, but there are other thing than marines. I hear Elysian players still wanting their carapace vets/stormtroopers, or the Necron characters introduced in IA12, or Death Korps with Laspistols/close combat weapons, as a few examples.
i'm loving the Lorgar model - not the most inspiring of the primarchs but i think a cracking depiction of his 'weaker self'. The sculpt begs for a better paint job when he becomes clad in crimson and the opportunity for NMM and OSL painting fanatics.
Also good to see that 55GBP wasnt going to be their standard cost for characters and primarchs across the board.
As he's the most realistic primarch to get in lower point games i suspect i'll be breaking my primarch cherry with this model
I like that one, I'm patiently waiting for Sanguinius mostly, but I think this one has the most character of the sculpts done so far (primarch wise- I think the Kor Phaeron mini is the best one) and likely my first Primarch purchase.
Liking the Lorgar model- not quite as God Mode as the others but at the same time has the look of a commander of a Legion. Definitely has the look of religious fanatic nailed.
Really don't like it, the face makes him look like an old man rather than someone in the prime of his life. Personally I don;t think this sculptor is up to it, he did Kor Phaeron and Erebus [both of whom I was really disappointed with]. Pose is really boring. Best part is the base!
Admittedly I'm not a massive fan of Lorgar however Erebus and Kor Phaeron are my two favorite models currently produced by FW so with him it seems a bit hit and miss.
I wasn't a fan of the Lorgar shown at GD, but this completed version looks pretty cool, on par with Fulgrim and only slightly behind Angron and Ferrus. It's a very cool model, seeing the finished thing.
I like the model but I feel the base is a huge let down. Looks like its was sculpted over lunch with play dough. It's ashame it's not a smashed statue of the Emporer.
I didn't think mortarion used terminator armor. Plus he would look so much cooler, and his face would be shrouded in shadows .
Edit: @kronk, I don't have the FW books, but typhus has enough of a following together his own model to represent himself before he gets all nurgley. I think he went by typhon back then and was the captain o the terminus est, maybe he can lead a horde of deathguard terminators .
H.B.M.C. wrote: First FW model that really reminds me of Hi-Tech Miniatures' stuff.
So it looks lifeless, overly stylized and completely unoriginal?
Those Immortals sure do look interesting...though it would have been better if they made them a bit more original than a Marine Boarding Kit with a couple of Iron Hand decals and rivets slapped on
Given the size of that scenic base, is there another character that will "attach to it" somehow? Does Typhon have an epic duel with someone else we know of?
cincydooley wrote: I love this nice display quality bases and game pieces. They only do them for the Primarchs and the character series. Why so much hate?
Internet hyperbole is the worst thing in the history of everything!
Or in other words, no hate, just an opinion and not much love for an oversized redonkulous base!
It's clearly Thphon, as Mortarion is robed and in pictures looks nothing like this.
For balance, I love the scenic bases. They are gorgeous and add to the series, cabinet displaying these is great. You can remove for gaming which covers both sides of the coin.
I do see the point on cost, but am not convinced the cost would be much cheaper without. Maybe £5.
H.B.M.C. wrote: And release those Mechanicum guys finally... maybe...?
Yeah, I have been waiting for those to be released since we saw pictures of them from GD Italy. I need them to build a count as Inquisition force for my IG.
I like that Forgeworld shows us sculpts of future releases, but you never know when something will come out. We have seen the Night Lords already, but not Typhon. Now it seems Typhon still gets an earlier release. I am fine with that ... surprises are good sometimes!
Just released in time! Was about to place an order for some standard breecher marines that i was going cover in brass etching to convert into iron hands.
Really cracking looking models, well chuffed. Now just need more ad mech!
Loving Typhon probably pick him up as a Nurgle Chaos Lord. DG and IH seem to get a lot of attention though, would love to see some more models for the other legions.
The Night Raptors are a caste apart from the Night Lords Legion – not so much a martial elite as a bloody coterie of murderers wedded together by similar proclivities and chosen styles of warfare. The Night Raptors are equipped with jump packs and an array of close combat weapon, all of which they use to bring unfettered savagery down upon the heads of their foes in a single overwhelming onslaught.
Paint scheme isn't dark enough in my opinion but the models look nice. Will have to wait and save up a bit more if I go that route instead of buying normal raptors and converting them. Will have to see the price point difference.
Gotta say when I think Night Lords I think "shadowy killers" rather than "skin-wearing berserkers", but I'm not terribly well-informed to be honest. I like the models on their own merit, though.
Had high hopes for the raptors, then they gave us massive bat eye brows, think I'll pass night lords just moved way down the which legion to get list, especially if their iconic unit looks like that. Not a fan of some of the more goofy than gory skin bits slapped on.
For me, these are a swing and a miss. I like a lot of stuff about them but those wings on the front of the helmet are a deal killer. I think they might be OK if they were painted a different color... maybe.
gorgon wrote: *shrug* I actually think the helmets are a huge improvement from most of the NL models we've seen from GW.
I agree entirely.
One or two don't quite work but they're a vast improvement on the old " we can't use doorways" variants that GW produced.
... which perhaps goes someway to explaining why they're so angry all of the time.
Maybe that's why they turned traitor? Horus promised them wider doors for their ridiculously large helmets and were still angry from when the Emperor told them to buy smaller hats...
I really like the poses and the helmets overall. However the batwings are a little too large, also i like to think the batwings came after they went 'Full chaos', iirc they were more into skull helms. I think the skulls over the faceplate are great though.
The thing i REALLY don't like is the 'flesh marigolds' one of them looks like a cannibal vet who's away to deliver a baby cow.
Desubot wrote: You get to bring 1 of those big toys normally reserved for apoc into a regular 40k game.
But only one. There's no rule in Apoc to prevent you just putting a group of Titans on the table, from any faction you like, Escalation is just one unit, in a standard FOC with limitations based in faction.
Iechine wrote: Wait so Im confused as to what the point of the Escalation book is at this point. : /
I guess it's got the rules for putting a Lord of War slot in your FOC, and some scenarios that supposedly make the most of that, and the datasheets for GW's plastic SHVs. So you grab that, and now with this free PDF, you can expand the datasheet section with your imperial armour books or what have you.
I think the big wings are a dress uniform thing and for officers. I always liked the wings and use them on my officers if they are wearing helms. These new ones are pretty cool. I have other things on my need list though so 15 Night Raptors are going to have to wait. Still need another Sicarius and a Fire Hawk. Meh, maybe after Christmas bills are paid off.
Desubot wrote: You get to bring 1 of those big toys normally reserved for apoc into a regular 40k game.
But only one. There's no rule in Apoc to prevent you just putting a group of Titans on the table, from any faction you like, Escalation is just one unit, in a standard FOC with limitations based in faction.
The "only" one restriction is a bit misleading since you can use a reaver titan as your "one" choice and then fill in the rest of the army with some minimum sized units. A reaver titan and a cheap HQ and two troops (GK) can fit in 1610pts. If that's not an "apoc" style list then I don't know what is. IG can get in around 1650. I don't have the SOB codex so I don't know where they come in.
Or read anything Jervis has written in White Dwarf in the past year. He makes it plainly clear that they have no interest in building a set of clear, concise, internally consistent rules for competitive 40k. In fact, he thinks that anyone who wants clear, concise, consistent rules is playing the game wrong and has come out and said so.
To bring things back on topic, screw the Lords of War. We want more chainglaives.
Or read anything Jervis has written in White Dwarf in the past year. He makes it plainly clear that they have no interest in building a set of clear, concise, internally consistent rules for competitive 40k. In fact, he thinks that anyone who wants clear, concise, consistent rules is playing the game wrong and has come out and said so.
I said we'd miss Alessio in 6th edition...
Here, as we bob about trying to even get our heads around the 6th rulebook's cumbersome casualty removal and all the rest of the clutter, now we are awash with digital additions, fortification 'codex', add - on allies who don't contribute to the allies we're adding on, variant codices of the codices and now we can bring Reaver titans to regular games of 40k.
I predict they'll see a boom in short term sales for sure...
Long term, erm... I don't know, perhaps Kirby is finally going to piss off and this is his last hurrah? This feels like it broke the game completely.
Or read anything Jervis has written in White Dwarf in the past year. He makes it plainly clear that they have no interest in building a set of clear, concise, internally consistent rules for competitive 40k. In fact, he thinks that anyone who wants clear, concise, consistent rules is playing the game wrong and has come out and said so.
I said we'd miss Alessio in 6th edition...
Here, as we bob about trying to even get our heads around the 6th rulebook's cumbersome casualty removal and all the rest of the clutter, now we are awash with digital additions, fortification 'codex', add - on allies who don't contribute to the allies we're adding on, variant codices of the codices and now we can bring Reaver titans to regular games of 40k.
I predict they'll see a boom in short term sales for sure...
Long term, erm... I don't know, perhaps Kirby is finally going to piss off and this is his last hurrah? This feels like it broke the game completely.
But if he pissed off, then who else will I blame?
Seriously though, I do hope he is leaving, but as we haven't heard anything about it, I doubt it :(
Look, at this point I buy models because they're pretty. Gaming, rules wise, whatever. GW and FW still make awesome toyz.
More options for playing is hardly a bad thing.
But... but... WHAT IS GOING ON. Why oh why can the Imperium take an actual Reaver titan, but the ONLY dope Dark Eldar superheavy (which is hardly even a superheavy) can't be taken?!?!?
The Tantalus is such a cool, unique vehicle that would perfectly fill the niche of a DE Lord of War.
It's like, I don't care about the Mantas and the Reavers because why the hell not bring one? But COME ON. If you're handing out toys to armies, offer them to everyone! DE actually got zero new options. I'm not trying to be a butt-hurt DE kid, cuz I love my Imperium toys too. But I just don't understand the neglect.
I think that people aren't as frustrated by the increased range of options as much as the bizarre lack of consistency.
Phantom and Reaver titans in regular 40K games sounds nutty, but when you get over your first outraged reaction it's hardly bad that there are more options -- Especially when they come in the form of supplements and expansions. A tournament or event organiser can easily just list which supplements or expansions (or all of them) are allowed which in turn will tell everyone thinking about participating what the games will look like. A tournament where everything is allowed will be a fun one to participate in atleast once a year since you'll probably see a lot of painted superheavies on the tables. It won't be balanced or even competitive but it will be fun, and it won't be the only tournament you can play that year.
I for one think this is all great stuff, and as far as it being a cash grab goes, it's seriously tempting me to buy a Reaver or a Phantom and having it pro-painted since atleast theoretically I'll have a chance to play with it atleast a couple times for giggles.
Urukguy27 wrote: Look, at this point I buy models because they're pretty. Gaming, rules wise, whatever. GW and FW still make awesome toyz.
More options for playing is hardly a bad thing.
But... but... WHAT IS GOING ON. Why oh why can the Imperium take an actual Reaver titan, but the ONLY dope Dark Eldar superheavy (which is hardly even a superheavy) can't be taken?!?!? The Tantalus is such a cool, unique vehicle that would perfectly fill the niche of a DE Lord of War.
It's like, I don't care about the Mantas and the Reavers because why the hell not bring one? But COME ON. If you're handing out toys to armies, offer them to everyone! DE actually got zero new options. I'm not trying to be a butt-hurt DE kid, cuz I love my Imperium toys too. But I just don't understand the neglect.
I think that people aren't as frustrated by the increased range of options as much as the bizarre lack of consistency.
My two cents.
Because it isn't a super heavy, and can already be taken in normal games?
The Tantalus can already be taken as a heavy support. It's one of those FW units, like the sentry pylons and the arcanthrites.
I doubt this will break the game very much at the competitive level in actual reality, because most competitive games with those sorts of guys had them banned in the first place even before Escalation was a concept. Specifically, I imagine most people who have a heart attack over Forge World models in 40k games already have all forge world models banned whether there's Escalation in play or not.
TiamatRoar wrote: I doubt this will break the game very much at the competitive level in actual reality, because most competitive games with those sorts of guys had them banned in the first place even before Escalation was a concept. Specifically, I imagine most people who have a heart attack over Forge World models in 40k games already have all forge world models banned whether there's Escalation in play or not.
100% correct, and those that think new stuff that is imbalanced and/or not playtested at all/not even intended to be balanced is something new are simply having memory problems or are new to the game. GW's done it before and the tournament scene has always adapted. I think pretty much ever since the original Vampire Counts book that had the regen bunker, and the following obnoxious Daemons of Chaos army book, Warhammer Fantasy has been fully house ruled to be playable in Europe. That's a long time of fully comped play and the competitive scene is still going strong.
40K will survive, especially as the only thing you really need to do is list the supplemental rulebooks that will not be in use. Besides, if I recall correctly, back somewhere in 2001 to 2004 when I first started hanging out at Dakka Dakka the Americans here told me all about the composition scoring and sportsmanship scores in every 40K tournament over there. The comps you guys had were so tight that guys like Ed Maule were in a war because they were playing to win at all costs unlike pretty much everyone else. Then for a while it seemed like the wind started blowing from another direction and comp structures were canned and everyone was adamant the game needs to be a free for all deathmatch where the superior generals with the best cheese are triumphant and celebrated. I think the winds are blowing from the other direction again.
TiamatRoar wrote: I doubt this will break the game very much at the competitive level in actual reality, because most competitive games with those sorts of guys had them banned in the first place even before Escalation was a concept. Specifically, I imagine most people who have a heart attack over Forge World models in 40k games already have all forge world models banned whether there's Escalation in play or not.
So do you continue to ban Forge World, do you lift the ban for only those forge world models in the actual escalation book, do you allow forge world regular models and armies marked for use in 40k or do you only allow Games Workshop-made super heavies and therefore only allow the stompa, big tanks and khorne thingy?
Either you go all in or not at all?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hmmm, I have been informed that Tom Kirby does not influence the releases of the design team. I retract my earlier.
gorgon wrote: *shrug* I actually think the helmets are a huge improvement from most of the NL models we've seen from GW.
Saying they are an improvement on those though isn't saying much!
If I were making those guys, they would get a mk6 Beakie helm, and a skull-decal fitted to the front of them. Would look far more sinister than either the GW40k guys (which look comical) or these, which the addition of wings make the helmet look crowded/muddled. You've already got NL iconography on the model in 2 places it doesn't need the helmet as well, and in that sense if I were to use these helmets I would probably try and remove the wings.
The bits of flayed skin/heads etc. are a nice touch on the actual miniatures though, although I'm sure what many NL fans will have been green-stuffing for years.
Hmmm, I have been informed that Tom Kirby does not influence the releases of the design team. I retract my earlier.
He may not do directly, but the overall effect is the same as if he were - 'suits' with no interest in the game beyond the bottom line get to decide what gets released and what doesn't, it's been acknowledged by several key sources and the evidence would be plainly obvious even if it weren't.
Had built and painted the second Reaver kit ever produced by Mike Biasi Studios (pre-Armorcast) and took it to a tournament in Los Angeles. This was before anyone had seen any of these kits (1991). Had it stashed in a box under the table. Set up part of my army on the table and then reached under and put the Reaver on the table. The look on my opponent's face was priceless as was the "N0000000ooooooooo.....".
I can see this scene repeating itself endlessly in different iterations with the new Lord of War rules....
Are the rules for all this Forgeworld release stuff available or do I have to buy all the IA books to see the rules? FW site has some limited info but not all.
Fishboy wrote: Are the rules for all this Forgeworld release stuff available or do I have to buy all the IA books to see the rules? FW site has some limited info but not all.
That depends on which models you're asking about. Horus Heresy models will, obviously, be in the Horus Heresy books. Other models will be in the IA books. And, to confuse the issue more, some of the Heresy vehicles are also in the new edition of IA2 (some of them as relics, some of them not). .
Fishboy wrote: Are the rules for all this Forgeworld release stuff available or do I have to buy all the IA books to see the rules? FW site has some limited info but not all.
That depends on which models you're asking about. Horus Heresy models will, obviously, be in the Horus Heresy books. Other models will be in the IA books. And, to confuse the issue more, some of the Heresy vehicles are also in the new edition of IA2 (some of them as relics, some of them not). .
Yeah, it's not really the best system. Wish they had a code at the bottom saying where you could find the most current rules. (You forgot to mention that they've also updated stuff, so it's not always clear what the most current version is, even if you have rules for a version.)
...Also, Tannhauser, great avatar. Every time I see it, I get a small sense of nostalgia. Also, sometimes the impulse to get more coffee. Also, sometimes Toto's score by mistake.
When are they doing War in Heaven? I want some necron super heavies. The ones from GW aren't good enough. Where are the classics, like the Aeonic Orb and the Abbatoir?
Remember when they said the HH stuff wouldn't impact other releases, neither 40k nor fantasy? Wasn't that funny?
It's still Forgeworld, so if it isn't Space Marines, or Imperial Guard tanks, there's not much else they do apart from a little Xenos here and a few there.
Tannhauser42 wrote: It's still Forgeworld, so if it isn't Space Marines, or Imperial Guard tanks, there's not much else they do apart from a little Xenos here and a few there.
Hey, maybe on that last part they could release a neat model or two for some of the Necron HQ's that were in IA 12... you know, the book that came out back in March? Just an idea.
Fishboy wrote: Are the rules for all this Forgeworld release stuff available or do I have to buy all the IA books to see the rules? FW site has some limited info but not all.
Fishboy wrote: Are the rules for all this Forgeworld release stuff available or do I have to buy all the IA books to see the rules? FW site has some limited info but not all.
That is only for the super-heavies unfortunately. I really wish that FW would make their own compilation of where the most recent rules for their regular miniatures are.
should anyone wish to repost a picture of the myrmidons please feel free - could do with a little resin porn before the next FW newsletter watershed. I have a big order in my basket waiting for the myrmidons to be released , added and then checkout
badgermeister wrote: should anyone wish to repost a picture of the myrmidons please feel free - could do with a little resin porn before the next FW newsletter watershed. I have a big order in my basket waiting for the myrmidons to be released , added and then checkout
A quick search for "Forgeworld Myrmidon" will get you plenty to drool at. I know I did
What I am really liking is that Heresy Terminators have so many more heavy weapons options. Ever since 2nd edition I have thought that they were quite limited with just the three. It would be cool to see normal 40K get autocannons, multi-meltas, etc.
Apparently book 3 is coming out around march (I thought it was slated for this month) I'd expect Horus to come out around the same time. Hopefully the Mymirdons will come out in January.
maybe its Kharn, kinda obviouse but stands to reason that sense he just got rules and its prettye sure Thypon is the other jigsaw model. ofcourse they could do what they did the one year with the space shark guy.
Slipknotzim wrote: maybe its Kharn, kinda obviouse but stands to reason that sense he just got rules and its prettye sure Thypon is the other jigsaw model. ofcourse they could do what they did the one year with the space shark guy.
I really like the Grave Warden helmets, would be interested to see if they'll work with regular PA models. Still think the chem vents look silly. The way the flare out at the top makes them look organic. Straightforward cylindrical vents, possibly with holes in the sides, would have been far better.
chaos0xomega wrote: They seem rather heavily adorned for a legion that was known for its overall plainness...
Also, I thought Mortarian avoided the creation of these sorts of specialized units, his bodyguard being the exception?
This.
My first thoughts at all the fancy chains and fur...
Even his ships where function over appearance, with exposed cabling etc instead of the gothic glamor of the other legions.
compared to the other legions specialised terminators these grave wardens are plain, they have there legion marking and that's about it, they look purely functional to me.
And morty was indeed all about making his legion as ubiquitous at possible, I agree that specialists doesn't seem to fit the DG way of war, but then these terminators are heavy support so it could be said that they are infact not specialising but branching into several different battlefield roles... tenuous at best I know but that's all I got lol
Don't think anyone's mentioned that there's 4 more downloads updating the Badab books, Imp Armour 2 & rules for the Castellum board which are pretty awesome imo.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fwDownloads
bubber wrote: Don't think anyone's mentioned that there's 4 more downloads updating the Badab books, Imp Armour 2 & rules for the Castellum board which are pretty awesome imo.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/fwDownloads
Those are new. Even the IA2SE FAQ is dated 12/20/2013.
Sad thing is, with the updated Siege and Tyrant's Legion lists, and the character and chapter tactics pdfs, there's almost no reason to buy the actual Badab War books now (apart from pretty pictures and fluff).
Read through them, didn't even notice that my IA2SE had the wrong armor values for the Sicaran.
chaos0xomega wrote: They seem rather heavily adorned for a legion that was known for its overall plainness...
Also, I thought Mortarian avoided the creation of these sorts of specialized units, his bodyguard being the exception?
They're in a situation where they have to walk the tightrope between the previous fluff, keeping the "legion/30k" look, "unadorned" versions of the same kinds of armour, and "bridging" towards "modern" references (ie Typhus) and these specific models:
Those are new. Even the IA2SE FAQ is dated 12/20/2013.
Sad thing is, with the updated Siege and Tyrant's Legion lists, and the character and chapter tactics pdfs, there's almost no reason to buy the actual Badab War books now (apart from pretty pictures and fluff).
Read through them, didn't even notice that my IA2SE had the wrong armor values for the Sicaran.
That's pretty much the only reason to buy the FW books anyway - fluff and pictures - and to own the object. I'd rather use .pdf files to game with my Badab War books then damage them by flipping through the pages while wargaming. There are much easier ways to get rules, and far better ways to use and access them in battle these days. Eagerly awaiting my huge FW order including both HH books right now. Slackers took their time sending it out despite being well over the free express amount. It's due this coming Friday but hopefully will hit sooner...
chaos0xomega wrote: They seem rather heavily adorned for a legion that was known for its overall plainness...
Also, I thought Mortarian avoided the creation of these sorts of specialized units, his bodyguard being the exception?
I don't see much adornment at all. They have the symbol on their belt buckle, and the skull decorations on their besagews, and the chain elements of the tabards/plaudrons may be an affectation, but all of the elements are functional. Besides the symbol, none of it looks like it is purely decorative like the Emperor's Childrens' scrollwork and filagree trim, the Word Bearers runic engravings, or the Iron Hands cog motif.
chaos0xomega wrote: They seem rather heavily adorned for a legion that was known for its overall plainness...
Also, I thought Mortarian avoided the creation of these sorts of specialized units, his bodyguard being the exception?
They're in a situation where they have to walk the tightrope between the previous fluff, keeping the "legion/30k" look, "unadorned" versions of the same kinds of armour, and "bridging" towards "modern" references (ie Typhus) and these specific models:
Aw guys I'm feeling first time FW let down, been really busy last week or so and just sat down to look at FW releases so sorry if this is out of chronology but the night lords models just made me sad. Hard to make winged helmets look cool but those things just look awful. The heads on the belts don't do much either. Whole squad looked GW designed instead of our lovely FW we have got used to.
i suspect its something related to the paintjob - i have seen quite a few models that look far better in the resin than the painted model they present on the newsletters.
Lorgar is another model like this - it'll look far better in post heresy crimson with decent OSL and NMM - oh, and a pair of horns
@badgermeister - If you're wanting to see Lorgar in crimson, I suggest you head over to Lil'Legend's HH thread. He's done and epic crimson Lorgar paintjob that really, IMHO, brings the sculpt alive. I don't think this counts as shameless advertising, as it's not my model, so here's the link:
basilisk is a fun variation that costs too much for me, but I am looking forward to the possibility of giant space virus robots raining death on my enemies, esp if that eventually works its way into 40k relics.
I think the Basilisk looks great because it actually looks like a Marine vehicle, not just a Guard vehicle painted up to be a Marine one. An impressive conversion kit.
Forge World wrote:Employed by many Legions as their primary ship-to-ship assault craft, the Kharybdis is a monstrous drop pod, rivaling the Legion Storm Eagle in size and capable of carrying large assault forces through the void and mounting significant firepower for blasting a path through defending small craft.
As a fully operational drop ship, Kharybdis assault claws also serve as assault transports, a role that allows them to use the firepower of their storm launchers and melta cutters to scour clean their chosen landing zone before disembarking their deadly cargo.
Once its passengers has disembarked the Kharybdis becomes a deadly attack craft. Using its powerful thrusters, assault claws and melta cutters to ram enemy armour in daring low-altitude attack runs and envelop enemy infantry formations in flame.
Complete multi-part resin kit designed by Will Hayes. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from the 3rd of January.
"No finer craft exists for shock assault. Whatever foe remains after the Kharybdis has scoured the landing zone with flame is easy prey for our blades"
Strike Captain Alvarex Maun, The Raven Guard
So how many can a Storm Eagle can carry?
Also: I love that it can set the landing zone on fire. Hooray fire!
Ooh goody those two vehicles are what I've been waiting for!
The missile launchers on the dreadclaw look a little tacked on. If I were to buy that kit I would probably remove them for a more streamline appearance. Apart from that though it is a very pretty kit. EDIT: 145 pounds! Yikes...
I am in agreement with HBMC that the basilisk has a very Astartes looking chassis, good bit of design work there. I foresee many different types of tank with the same body coming out soon.
The missile launchers on the dreadclaw look a little tacked on. If I were to buy that kit I would probably remove them for a more streamline appearance. Apart from that though it is a very pretty kit. EDIT: 145 pounds! Yikes...
Yikes indeed!
Not sure how I missed that price point either - ouch!
That's what she sai....... Wait I said it too when I saw the scale size. If it can carry 10 tactical and a dread then I'm proxying it as a storm raven.
Forgeworld wrote:Some aggressive commanders employ the Kharybdis as an effective tank hunter, ramming enemy armour in daring low-altitude attack runs.
Whoah! Seriously? I mean, I'm not even sure how the hell you'd even steer that! Fair enough squashing a tank or two when you land, but attack runs? That's suggests to me this thing can actually be maneuvered around like an aircraft, unless I'm reading this in completely the wrong way!
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