Seeing as the old thread was locked I thought I'd start a new thread to keep all the HH and 40K Forge World news together. I'll try to update the first post and title often.
The Fire Raptor Gunship is a specialised variant of the Storm Eagle known to have its origins in the Imperium’s dim and distant past. The vehicle is configured to maximise ammunition stowage in order to feed the voracious appetite of its numerous weapons and this is achieved by sacrificing the Storm Eagle’s transport capacity.
The secrets of the Fire Raptor's construction were lost sometime after the Horus Heresy but Fire Raptors are now being fielded in increasing numbers across the countless war zones of the 41st Millennium, suggesting that an as-yet unidentified Adeptus Mechanicus Forge World or Adeptus Astartes Chapter Forge has come into possession of a complete STC imprint.
The Fire Raptor Gunship , designed by Stuart Williamson, is a complete resin and plastic kit armed with twin-linked avenger bolt cannon, wing-mounted hellstrike missiles and two ball turrets sporting either quad heavy bolters or twin-linked autocannon. This kit is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Thursday 31st October. Experimental rules for this model can be found here.
"And the coming of the Angels of Death shall be heralded by fire from the heavens, and none shall dare look upon the firmament..."
The Heretic Archivist of the Gethsemane Reclusium, introit to ‘The Fall of Kaziah’s Moon'
Games Day UK 2013 .Now with pictures (Loads of images on page 16 onwards.)
Spoiler:
2nd August- Continuing the success of the Horus Heresy and Space Marines ranges, Forge World's Phil Stutcinskas will be showing off the new Heresy-era Space Marine tanks he's been working on, and you will also get to see a brand new Space Marine flyer sculpted by Stuart Williamson!
9th august- Over in Forge World, Darren Parrwood has joined the Tau's Third Sphere of Expansion and has been seen working on a new Tau kit. The Greater Good has never looked so good! Meanwhile, Forge World's scenery extraordinaire, Blake Spence, has been hard at work on more new magnificently detailed scenery tiles to help really enhance your battlefields.
You will be able to meet both Darren and Blake at this year's Games Day and talk to them at length about these and some of the other projects they have worked on.
16th August- The Horus Heresy rages ever-onwards over at Forge World and, hot on the heels of the Primarchs Angron and Fulgrim, Simon Egan will be unveiling the third in this series of mighty warriors of legend at UK Games Day 2013! Simon wouldn't be drawn on the details, so you'll just have to go to Games Day to see it in person (and possibly even add one to your collection!).
Elsewhere in Forge World's design team, Keith Robertson has been working hard on a brand new unit of Death Guard which you will be able to see for the very first time at Games Day.
22nd August- This week we can confirm that Forge World writers, Neil Wylie, Andy Hoare, Alan Bligh and editor Talima Fox will all be making their way to the NIA in September to talk about the range of Imperial Armour and Warhammer Forge books, as well as The Horus Heresy. In the coming weeks, Forge World will have an exciting announcement, and Games Day will be the very first place that you will have the opportunity to talk with the writers about it!
30th August- This week Forge World have announced that Alfonso Giraldes will be showing off a fantastic new unit of World Eaters, while Stephen Whitehead has been working hard on a superbly detailed set of Heresy-era Night Lords.
6th September- The HH Massacre, EC Phoenix Terminators, IH Contemptor and IH Shoulder Pads will be available in ''limited numbers''
Not confirmed news but looks like the badges they give out will have the legion symbols from the new HH book.
20th September- Erebus, Kor Phaeron and Ferrus Manus available at GD.
Deiyos wrote: When can we expect to see a lot of these models they showed at Gamesday? By the end of the year?
This comes from someone over at BoLS, but they seemed fairly confident...
[spoiler]
Sicaran venator out next month
AdMech Thralls possibly out in November, possible compatability with IG plastics
AdMech Myrmidons - still WIP (weapon options)
Legion Basilisk WIP
Land Raider Achilles MkIIB almost complete.
Legion Kharybdis Assault claw, drop pod with weapon system. Can land vertically
Myrmidons still WIP, out 'soon'
Grave Wardens Terminators WIP
Night Raptors out xmas/jan
Lorgar release Dec/Jan
5th Primarch IS... HORUS (by Simon Eagon)
FW Extermination. Out Easter 14. 2/3 finished.
I'm aware that that's still missing out on a lot, but at least some stuff is there. (And I'll admit, I sort of stopped at Night Raptors out xmas, did a little dance, and ignored most of the rest of the list.)
Seeing as the old thread was locked I thought I'd start a new thread to keep all the HH and 40K Forge World news together. I'll try to update the first post and title often.
Thank you very much!
We're counting on you - no pressure or anything though...
cadbren wrote: Is anyone else putting off FW purchases to buy the new Space Marine stuff or are you all a bunch of rich gits who'll buy both?
The opposite.
After seeing the new single pose plastic HQs at £18 each, I've ordered the praetors, at 2 for £30, or £15 each. Cheaper and much, much, much better sculpts.
cadbren wrote: Is anyone else putting off FW purchases to buy the new Space Marine stuff or are you all a bunch of rich gits who'll buy both?
The opposite.
After seeing the new single pose plastic HQs at £18 each, I've ordered the praetors, at 2 for £30, or £15 each. Cheaper and much, much, much better sculpts.
I couldn't believe it when the new HQs were announced at £18 each, especially as they are mono-pose. Madness! Ah well, I guess FW will be getting a lot more business now
There's a little tidbit on the GW website about Gamesday.
"Forge World – The Horus Heresy
This week Forge World have announced that Alfonso Giraldes will be showing off a fantastic new unit of World Eaters, while Stephen Whitehead has been working hard on a superbly detailed set of Heresy-era Night Lords."
I believe the Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer holds a punishment well suited to failure to provide up-to-the-second FW news and rumours, originally prescribed for attempted self-harm:
cadbren wrote: Is anyone else putting off FW purchases to buy the new Space Marine stuff or are you all a bunch of rich gits who'll buy both?
The opposite.
After seeing the new single pose plastic HQs at £18 each, I've ordered the praetors, at 2 for £30, or £15 each. Cheaper and much, much, much better sculpts.
I couldn't believe it when the new HQs were announced at £18 each, especially as they are mono-pose. Madness! Ah well, I guess FW will be getting a lot more business now
Can't say I'm interested in the HQs regardless of the price as they're mono-pose. I thought they were going to be updating the commander box but obviously not. The tacticals and veterans though I'm keen to get, same for the hunter/stalker.
As for the praetors, love the look of that archeotech bolt pistol, that's an amazing model overall, suppose I'll have to stump up with some money for it at some point.
so feel free to call me dumb if you like, but I'm curious, is there reasoning for not putting a Forge world headquarters in the u.s.? I can't help but think that would help sales increase somehow.
emmens wrote:so feel free to call me dumb if you like, but I'm curious, is there reasoning for not putting a Forge world headquarters in the u.s.? I can't help but think that would help sales increase somehow.
Because Forgeworld is a niche product in a niche hobby. GW has shut down many of their production plants around the world or reduce the amount of product those plants churn out. Moving FW to the US would be cost and labor intensive for a product that people may not buy anyways. People may not know about forgeworld, or may not buy from them since everything is in GBP and shipping is 15% of your order. People that are willing to buy from FW either wait for FW to show up at a convention they're attending, or they do what people around the US do, coordinate a FW order that reaches the free shipping level and then do a group order.
Alpharius wrote:...they are there to get their butts handed to them!
I am looking forward to the Raven Guard and Iron Hands stuff - and I am looking forward to all 3 of the Loyalist Primarchs too!
I hope Ferrus doesn't come with Kung Fu head removal action . I'm reading Fulgrim atm... and knowing his fate sucks :(
How many HH books total are there going to be? Because if they do 3 legions per book with AdMech and the Imperial Army spread out among them then we're gonna end up with 6 books.
Not to mention GW higher ups will get lynched if we don't get Custodes. Or worse, Sisters of Silence
emmens wrote: so feel free to call me dumb if you like, but I'm curious, is there reasoning for not putting a Forge world headquarters in the u.s.? I can't help but think that would help sales increase somehow.
Because -gasp!- people in Europe by the stuff too! Oh my!
emmens wrote: so feel free to call me dumb if you like, but I'm curious, is there reasoning for not putting a Forge world headquarters in the u.s.? I can't help but think that would help sales increase somehow.
Because -gasp!- people in Europe by the stuff too! Oh my!
I think he means another production plant in the US, which I think won't happen as GW 'merica has more or less been disassembled and shipped back to the UK.
*Sees system map in video* So does the Drop Site Massacre take place over several worlds now? I always thought it was stupid that the Legions all fought on a single world.
Snrub wrote: How many HH books total are there going to be? Because if they do 3 legions per book with AdMech and the Imperial Army spread out among them then we're gonna end up with 6 books.
Not to mention GW higher ups will get lynched if we don't get Custodes. Or worse, Sisters of Silence
Custodes are kinda cool, but I haven't heard of Sisters of Silence being mentioned in I don't know how long. Regardless, this is a long-term project from Forgeworld and they're gonna keep making money on it as long as humanly possible. I've always wondered what the "endgame" is after doing the Horus Heresy, since I always figured GW or Forgeworld would never touch it since there's nowhere to really go from there, as everything's so small in comparison.
I'm just chomping at the bit for Iron Warriors to get their due in the Horus Heresy. I want me some expensive resin Marines, but not til they get some models!
Little worried, I see the RG on the maps, but unless I'm missing it, we don't see their armor and profile along with the other 4.... no RG in Massacre?
Don't think they ever were meant to be, I've been keen to find out when they were due, being a RG player, and I have always heard they were due in the second Dropsite Massacre book, but I understand that isn't a year away like the first two volumes.
emmens wrote:so feel free to call me dumb if you like, but I'm curious, is there reasoning for not putting a Forge world headquarters in the u.s.? I can't help but think that would help sales increase somehow.
Because Forgeworld is a niche product in a niche hobby. GW has shut down many of their production plants around the world or reduce the amount of product those plants churn out. Moving FW to the US would be cost and labor intensive for a product that people may not buy anyways. People may not know about forgeworld, or may not buy from them since everything is in GBP and shipping is 15% of your order. People that are willing to buy from FW either wait for FW to show up at a convention they're attending, or they do what people around the US do, coordinate a FW order that reaches the free shipping level and then do a group order.
Alpharius wrote:...they are there to get their butts handed to them!
I am looking forward to the Raven Guard and Iron Hands stuff - and I am looking forward to all 3 of the Loyalist Primarchs too!
I hope Ferrus doesn't come with Kung Fu head removal action . I'm reading Fulgrim atm... and knowing his fate sucks :(
Actually, from all the people I game with/talk to, they mostly do what I do for FW. They buy it on ebay. A LOT of FW gets moved through ebay on a daily basis. Many of the items sell almost immediately upon being listed also.
The marine on marine stuff still doesn't interest me, but I'd totally get some Custodes for counts-as-GK shenanagins, and the Imperial Army may make a suitable replacement for Cadians (I frigging hate cadian models, but rather enjoy their fluff, unfortunate position).
Truthfully, I think FW missed the mark slightly with HH; it's obviously selling well, they're making lots of interesting kits, some of which I might end up using in my vanilla marines, but if they had done Warhammer 30,000, start of with the Legions and the human and xeno foes of the era, that'd be freaking awesome, building up to the Heresy at the end. I've heard rumour they kind of intend on doing some non-Imperial stuff for the era eventually, though I haven't heard if that's going to be pre or post-heresy.
At the end of the day, regular 40k has enough Marine on Marine action, do we really need a sub-game focused solely on Marine on Marine? I'd love to be able to use Charnabal Sabers, Volkite weapons and whatnot in 40k, but instead they feel wasted on Marine entanglements.
Slinky wrote: I wonder when they will get to the point where Mk VI armour appears - not for a few years, I wager...
This!
I'm building a MK.VI assault squad (so running legs are a must) and even though I've cannibalised a couple of old metal death company and a vanguard veteran I'm still 3 or 4 legs short of being able to avoid repetition.
Mk VI isn't far away chronologically, as it was issued to the Raven Guard to help with rebuilding after Istvaan, which, unfortunately for Corax, wasn't as long as it should have been.
Book wise, and time in the real world, it is probably two, or possibly three books away, so probably a couple of years (assuming they don't start jumping about the timeline a bit)
Brother SRM wrote: Custodes are kinda cool, but I haven't heard of Sisters of Silence being mentioned in I don't know how long. Regardless, this is a long-term project from Forgeworld and they're gonna keep making money on it as long as humanly possible. I've always wondered what the "endgame" is after doing the Horus Heresy, since I always figured GW or Forgeworld would never touch it since there's nowhere to really go from there, as everything's so small in comparison.
Well i'm only figuring that we'll see Custodes and SoS because it's prime territory for them to get rules/models. If we do end up getting the Imperial Army and more AdMech then i'd hope they cover the other notable Imperial factions too.
I'm just chomping at the bit for Iron Warriors to get their due in the Horus Heresy. I want me some expensive resin Marines, but not til they get some models!
Of all the legions the one i'm really interested in seeing is the Ultramarines. Not because i like the smurfs or nothing, it's just that i want to see how they will handle the rules and models. Are they just going to transfer the Ultras 40k status as the "everyman" chapter over to 30k or will there be something special about them?
So is it pretty safe to assume that whenever the sisters of silence are released, they'll have the option to be run like Sanguinary Priests in that you'll be able to take 2-5 or so for one force org and then split them up amongst units to provide a nice Deny the Witch bubble of like, 3+?
I am kind of suprised how out of the loop everyone here is compared to other forums on heresy news and rumours.
It should be public knowledge that betrayal had 4 legions from istvaan III, 'massacre' is the first istvaan V book with 4 more legions and then the second istvaan V book will have the remaining 3 legions from istvaan V plus the imperial fists which they squeeze in.
So 4 legions for each of the first trilogy of books. With alpha legion, iron warriors, raven gaurd and imperial fists being in the third book fans of those legions will have to wait a bit longer but it is planned for release between Christmas time and fw open day in march so not as long a wait as from book 1 to book 2.
Not long to wait until the next possible update. There are plenty of bits for them to start putting up before games day so we should start to see some exciting emails coming our way
vegeta365 wrote: I am kind of suprised how out of the loop everyone here is compared to other forums on heresy news and rumours.
It should be public knowledge that betrayal had 4 legions from istvaan III, 'massacre' is the first istvaan V book with 4 more legions and then the second istvaan V book will have the remaining 3 legions from istvaan V plus the imperial fists which they squeeze in.
So 4 legions for each of the first trilogy of books. With alpha legion, iron warriors, raven gaurd and imperial fists being in the third book fans of those legions will have to wait a bit longer but it is planned for release between Christmas time and fw open day in march so not as long a wait as from book 1 to book 2.
Not long to wait until the next possible update. There are plenty of bits for them to start putting up before games day so we should start to see some exciting emails coming our way
Not out of the loop, that news is so old it is in another thread that is no longer running, and some users have obviously not seen it, but a reminder is no bad thing.
vegeta365 wrote: I am kind of suprised how out of the loop everyone here is compared to other forums on heresy news and rumours.
It should be public knowledge that betrayal had 4 legions from istvaan III, 'massacre' is the first istvaan V book with 4 more legions and then the second istvaan V book will have the remaining 3 legions from istvaan V plus the imperial fists which they squeeze in.
So 4 legions for each of the first trilogy of books. With alpha legion, iron warriors, raven gaurd and imperial fists being in the third book fans of those legions will have to wait a bit longer but it is planned for release between Christmas time and fw open day in march so not as long a wait as from book 1 to book 2.
Not long to wait until the next possible update. There are plenty of bits for them to start putting up before games day so we should start to see some exciting emails coming our way
Not out of the loop, that news is so old it is in another thread that is no longer running, and some users have obviously not seen it, but a reminder is no bad thing.
I knew about the rest of that, but how are they going to fit the Imperial Fists in there? That seems like a bit of a jump...
jonolikespie wrote: Haven't we heard somewhere sisters of scilence and custodians will be in the Prospero book with the wolves ans sons?
I think that idea just started out as speculation by some users, since in the HH novels about the the burning of prospero they played a prominent role. I think it's less a rumor that they will be in that book, so much as it a educated guess by most people they would appear in that book.
Reading the Betrayal book's FOC they mention "Agents of the Emperor/Warmaster" detachments. If I was to make a speculation, I would guess that the sisters of scilence and custodians will be Agents of the Emperor units.
What then would the Agents of the Warmaster be? Daemons and some such?
Dark Mechanicus could just as easily be represented by Starded AdMech and any heretical human forces could would just be standard Imperial Army/guard painted evil.
At the HH weekender they discussed some of the ideas they had had and they had thought that he poses some difficulties as you could just use a standard tactical marine to rep both of them which FW thought may well be selling the concept a little short. They spoke about having him on the same scale as the other primearchs and writing in to his background a sort of glamour that makes him appear to blend in akin to Corax's shadow thingy like an "always on" psychic power.
Slinky wrote: I wonder when they will get to the point where Mk VI armour appears - not for a few years, I wager...
They haven't got to mk5 yet, though they're getting close with some of those Sons of Horus minis.
I'd love for them to do corvus armour with the fluted elbows and feet.
Of course once they get there, what comes next? Other than a series devoted to Errant armour or coming up with a new style, they'll have done all the armour marks.
Slinky wrote: I wonder when they will get to the point where Mk VI armour appears - not for a few years, I wager...
They haven't got to mk5 yet, though they're getting close with some of those Sons of Horus minis.
I'd love for them to do corvus armour with the fluted elbows and feet.
Of course once they get there, what comes next? Other than a series devoted to Errant armour or coming up with a new style, they'll have done all the armour marks.
Slinky wrote: I wonder when they will get to the point where Mk VI armour appears - not for a few years, I wager...
They haven't got to mk5 yet, though they're getting close with some of those Sons of Horus minis.
I'd love for them to do corvus armour with the fluted elbows and feet.
Of course once they get there, what comes next? Other than a series devoted to Errant armour or coming up with a new style, they'll have done all the armour marks.
Thanks, but I have the basic MK VI set from FW and the RavenGuard veteran set.
I meant getting some variation in MK VI like we're seeing with the current MK IV set. Having commanders in ornate versions of it, veterans with decorated versions, or even variations in beakie helms and the chest cables. Consider the more ornate MK VI that comes with the RavenWing command set as another example.
Seriously, I don't think of myself as anything more than competent, and if I'm looking at an allegedly pro paint job thinking "I could do better" then it is pretty poor.
But on the upside, those Termies are gorgeous, if I ever get to a point where I'm not painting towards some force or another, I could easily go for them just to have and to paint!
Has then been any word of the Sicarus tank and what it does, approx points, for sure whether or not it is a super heavy? They put it up for pre-order and as awesome as it looks, no way in hell I am buying a superheavy I will only rarely be allowed to use.
jah-joshua wrote: i don't see anyhting wrong with the Dread's paintjob...
nothing wrong with simple and gritty...
the new Termies are gorgeous sculpts...
it's about time GW made those helmets!!!
cheers
jah
Its the iconography on the chest, the wings are utterly dreadful, the parchment/scrollwork is massively over washed (and wouldn't you put some lettering on it for a promo piece) and the Legion icon looks very rough too.
azreal13 wrote: The paint job on that IH Contemptor is awful
Seriously, I don't think of myself as anything more than competent, and if I'm looking at an allegedly pro paint job thinking "I could do better" then it is pretty poor.
But on the upside, those Termies are gorgeous, if I ever get to a point where I'm not painting towards some force or another, I could easily go for them just to have and to paint!
Uh... no. That contemptor looks badass and is very well executed.
azreal13 wrote: The paint job on that IH Contemptor is awful
Seriously, I don't think of myself as anything more than competent, and if I'm looking at an allegedly pro paint job thinking "I could do better" then it is pretty poor.
But on the upside, those Termies are gorgeous, if I ever get to a point where I'm not painting towards some force or another, I could easily go for them just to have and to paint!
Uh... no. That contemptor looks badass and is very well executed.
You know I'm allowed to think differently right? For reasons I've already explained.
I also happen to think it is too heavily weathered, but I acknowledge that is entirely subjective.
jah-joshua wrote: i don't see anyhting wrong with the Dread's paintjob...
nothing wrong with simple and gritty...
the new Termies are gorgeous sculpts...
it's about time GW made those helmets!!!
cheers
jah
Its the iconography on the chest, the wings are utterly dreadful, the parchment/scrollwork is massively over washed (and wouldn't you put some lettering on it for a promo piece) and the Legion icon looks very rough too.
Fair enough the chest details are a bit... dusty... but I think overall it still makes a nice impression. I think we/I just took your comment to mean every last thing was head to toe terrible.
Those Emperor's Children are categorically gorgeous.. the helmets on them look great!
Although think the shoulder wing should be classed with bunny-eared helmets under 'impractical appendages' (think I would probably clip them and lay flat against the shoulder pad).
I think the way the forgeworld team paint their models is very much a style decision, and I can respect that. Personally, I enjoy a certain grittyness. Sooner or later we'll see one of those painted classically, anway.
As for the Phoenix Terminators... wow, I've rarely been *so* close to buying models I don't really need than I was with them. It will be very hard to resist their lure...
What really gets me is the laziness with the Iron Hands shoulder pads. Every other chapter done gets multiple different pads. the iron hands are 10 of the same. Maybe its a bit with the fluff that I'm not aware of, but they are so boring. Also can't figure out the head on the dread, even enlarged the picture, can't quite tell what they are trying to do.
Theophony wrote: What really gets me is the laziness with the Iron Hands shoulder pads. Every other chapter done gets multiple different pads. the iron hands are 10 of the same. Maybe its a bit with the fluff that I'm not aware of, but they are so boring. Also can't figure out the head on the dread, even enlarged the picture, can't quite tell what they are trying to do.
Ya, would have liked to see more variety myself, as you see with the other chapters. The bionics do look cool though.
I have no business wanting those new termi sculpts, but I already know that I'm gonna buy a set just because. They look awesome.
Taking inspiration and title from the legendary bird of ancient Terran myth, the Phoenix Guard of the Emperor’s Children formed
an elite cadre within the Legion, serving primarily as the Primarch Fulgrim’s personal retinue. On the field of battle, the Phoenix
Guard were storied as providing an impenetrable ring of courage and steel, barring the approach of any enemy who dared challenge
their Primarch. They fought in many spheres of battle, from lightning-swift assault forces to veteran tactical units, but it was their
Terminators who were most feared, their martial skill all but unmatched across the Legions.
The Emperor’s Children Legion Phoenix Terminators, designed by Keith Robertson, contains five multi-part resin models. Each Terminator is resplendent with fine details and the iconography of the Emperor’s Children Legion. This set is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Monday 30th September. We will have limited stock of these models at Games Day UK.
"We are the Phoenix Guard. We are precision; we are golden; we are loyalty. We are perfection incarnate, in form, intent and deed. We are all to which a true son of Fulgrim must aspire."
Lord Commander Eidolon
The Emperor's Children Legion
As is perhaps unsurprising from so calculating and methodical a master as Ferrus Manus, the Iron Hands Legion is a highly structured military force, with numerous tactical and strategic divisions of power and organisation within its ranks. The Iron Hands are known to maintain a particularly extensive and sophisticated arsenal of war engines — particularly tanks, armoured vehicles and Dreadnoughts — the equal of any Legion save perhaps for Perturabo’s IVth.
Designed by Israel Gonzalez and Will Hayes, the Iron Hands Contemptor Dreadnought is packed with details themed specifically to this Legion and their close ties to the Mechanicum. The Iron Hands Mk III Shoulder Pads, designed by Steve Whitehead, are a set of 10 resin shoulder pads for our Mk III Iron Armour sets. These kits are available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 30th September. We will have limited stock of these models at Games Day UK.
"Let your will be as fierce as the heart of the furnace, and your armour as cold and unyielding as steel."
Ancient Morn,
Legiones Astartes Iron Hands
To celebrate the launch of the new Codex: Space Marines, we have put together a series of bundles themed to specific Space Marine Chapters: Ultramarines, Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Red Scorpions, Astral Claws, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Raven Guard and the Minotaurs.
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i love the new terminators! i was hoping for some WB or NL releases but all in good time. I wonder what the phoenix guard rules will be as i cant see any ranged weaponry so perhaps we'll see an enhance invulnerable save when in combat like their dad?
I feel slightly odd saying a lump of resin is gorgeous, but those termies deserve the description.
It's really cool that they and the SOH have such distinctive aesthetics.
That Iron Hands Dread looks great in resin, but the paint job does seem a bit flat. An area, or some details, in white would have really added some necessary contrast, as could an energy weapon with a coil painted in a different colour, rather than the black and steel heavy bolter.
Still, with that and the shoulder pads can Iron Hands players stop moaning that they get no love
jah-joshua wrote: i don't see anyhting wrong with the Dread's paintjob...
nothing wrong with simple and gritty...
the new Termies are gorgeous sculpts...
it's about time GW made those helmets!!!
cheers
jah
Its the iconography on the chest, the wings are utterly dreadful, the parchment/scrollwork is massively over washed (and wouldn't you put some lettering on it for a promo piece) and the Legion icon looks very rough too.
yes, i would have put some lettering on the scroll, and painted it a bit more subtly...
i disagree about the wings, though...
they are not "utterly dreadful", in my opinion...
every feather has a nice shade line seperating them, and all details are visible...
utterly dreadful, to me , would be a solid color slopped on, with no layers or details showing...
the pic looks much better when it is not so zoomed in...
no matter how nice my paintjobs look in hand, i always cringe when i see pics of my minis, where they are 3 or 4 times bigger than life size...
it becomes very easy to pic apart every little detail...
i guess i'm just a little less judgemental, and hate to put down painters...
Is it me or are the EC models never battle worn? I guess it fits there legion but I think it's mainly because it doesnt fit the color violet Termies are Ah-mazing!
jah-joshua wrote: i don't see anyhting wrong with the Dread's paintjob...
nothing wrong with simple and gritty...
Except when it's a rare contemptor shell that houses a fallen hero. Even for the Iron Hands I'd expect some details, clan markings, unit number, shell name, awards. If such things don't matter then why not use tactical marines as captains etc, just give them the right weapon and you're good to go. But they do matter and so Captains, veterans etc have more ornate armour, awards showing etc. Things which should be on this contemptor, it's not an artillery piece, it's a hero of the legion.
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Tannhauser42 wrote: I love everything about the EC termies except for their helmets. Do you think GK terminator helmets would fit instead? I think that would look better.
You've just caused several heart attacks with that comment.
Quite disappointed with the IH Contemptor.
The little cogs and rivet knee pad are really tacky imo, almost like they thought "hey its IH! how will we make it recognisable as so? Ah lash on a few rivets and cogs!.
Poor paint job too.
jah-joshua wrote: i don't see anyhting wrong with the Dread's paintjob...
nothing wrong with simple and gritty...
Except when it's a rare contemptor shell that houses a fallen hero. Even for the Iron Hands I'd expect some details, clan markings, unit number, shell name, awards. If such things don't matter then why not use tactical marines as captains etc, just give them the right weapon and you're good to go. But they do matter and so Captains, veterans etc have more ornate armour, awards showing etc. Things which should be on this contemptor, it's not an artillery piece, it's a hero of the legion
I'd say especially as it's the Iron hands, as they hold the honor of being inside a giant machine above many others.
After reading some of the World Eaters lore I'm sure the next unit will probably be the Devourers who are the specialized terminators. I'd love to see how they turn out
My guess for next release is a tank and a death guard unit, I doubt the devourers will ever get minis, why? In WE lore ther hated, being a devoured is a shameful position to tge point that the primarch disowns you, hell after the heresy khan kills most of em.
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Deiyos wrote: Ooo that would be awesome! Would be great for getting my Berzerkers in CC quick
Yeah, I coud certainly see getting several these and actually starting CSM again. Otherwise I'm going to bite a bullet and buy 2 Land Raider Spartans hahaha
I don't think so, operant world being "available". Forge World certainly did make one, and fairly recently at that, but I don't see it for sale any longer.
Also browsing this thread reminded me just how bad I want that Sicaran tank. I have the money to buy it, and the only real thing keeping me from grabbing it is that I have so damn much stuff as of yet unpainted, and so many other things going on project wise... but it's so pretty.
OP, it might be a good idea to put the page number in the subject as well to help readers find the newest info prior to all the discussion of it. Its not a big deal at 4 pages but it can be a bit tough for a new thread reader to find the actual release info if they don't log in every day.
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The Horus Heresy Book Two: Massacre is the second book in the Horus Heresy series. The first book,The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal is still available to purchase, and you will need a copy of this to use the gaming content in The Horus Heresy Book Two: Massacre. If you would like to learn more about The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal, click on the video link below.
Chapter upgrade bundles are all nice and stuff, but I'm confused by the logic behind them. If it's to celebrate/tie-in to the new Codex: Space Marines, surely there ought to be Crimson Fists and Black Templars stuff rather than Blood Angels, Dark Angels and/or Space Wolves who, you know, have their own book.
Why give you the option of buying one book when they can force you to buy the entire series? It's the Horus Heresy so everyone knows you'll buy it at any cost, right?
Well...there was that rumor a few weeks back that GW is folding the FW site into their own. It seems like the relationship is getting closer overall with fw adopting the gw habit of expensive books being merely supplements ruleswise to other expensive books instead of standalone rules like with vraks.
Well...there was that rumor a few weeks back that GW is folding the FW site into their own. It seems like the relationship is getting closer overall with few adopting the gw habit of expensive books being merely supplements ruleswise to other expensive books instead of standalone rules like with vraks.
Shame. I just hope it doesn't get to the point where GW starts meddling in FW activities. What makes FW such a success is the enthusiastic attitude of the staff and the fact that they are willing to try something new and/or different. You can already see GW are making sure FW previews appear in white dwarf first. It's an easy stretch to see the ever popular FW seminars and previews being curtailed - "No news unless it's in white dwarf first!"
The Horus Heresy Book Two: Massacre is the second book in the Horus Heresy series. The first book,The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal is still available to purchase, and you will need a copy of this to use the gaming content in The Horus Heresy Book Two: Massacre. If you would like to learn more about The Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal, click on the video link below.
The flip side is, if they didn't make it necessary to buy the first book, then the second book would need to have around 30-40 pages duplicating the basic Legion Army list and equipment, and people would complain that they were paying for a new book with a bunch of old content.
I agree it sucks for people who only want one book which covers their favourite chapter, but I can understand why they've done it this way, especially given the books are explicitly part of a series.
If I had to guess, Massacre may have a different kind of army list in it, rather than the Legion list that is in Betrayal. Thus, if you want to play the legion list with the new legions that are in Massacre, you would need a copy of Betrayal. Kind of like the Badab War books: great if you want to just play Tyrant's Legion, but you still need C:SM if you want to play Astral Claws.
Snrub wrote: Isn't there already a Dreadclaw model available?
It's been off of their website for over a year, sadly. At one of the games days, they said they were reworking it for legion use. The old one had lots of Chaos 8-point stars and such.
There was also some talk of the mould being old, and FW not being happy with how problematic the kit was to actually put together. A lot of the old FW stuff is fidgety as all hell to assemble.
Im glad they re did it, The old one was horrible and I ended up selling them rather than Adjusting nearly all of the warped and badly fitting parts, and of course the new one looks fething ace !!
Rayvon wrote: Im glad they re did it, The old one was horrible and I ended up selling them rather than Adjusting nearly all of the warped and badly fitting parts, and of course the new one looks fething ace !!
You'll probably see a price drop as well, as it looks to be a plastic/resin kit with the Drop Pod.
The Vulture Gunship went from its original release price of 65GBP(125 USD) to 60GBP(94 USD) when it was changed to the new version.
Pacific wrote: Those Emperor's Children are categorically gorgeous.. the helmets on them look great!
Although think the shoulder wing should be classed with bunny-eared helmets under 'impractical appendages' (think I would probably clip them and lay flat against the shoulder pad).
Along with most stuff in 40k. Apparently most Space Marines only need a single clip for their Bolt Guns.
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Chapter upgrade bundles are all nice and stuff, but I'm confused by the logic behind them. If it's to celebrate/tie-in to the new Codex: Space Marines, surely there ought to be Crimson Fists and Black Templars stuff rather than Blood Angels, Dark Angels and/or Space Wolves who, you know, have their own book.
As the Fantasy branch of Forge World is practically dead, I might as well post general FW news & rumours here:
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:this is what I know from buying beer for the right people in Nottingham
Forgeworld is less profitable than games workshop, this is a complicated subject with many business nonsense theories, but despite the price difference the profit margins are equal at best on high selling fw products versus low selling GW products
without combining the production etc FW couldn't meet the initial demand for its products, this is standard new product buzz, over time it could cope, (see tau for example)
on the other hand, the FW team has a new manager, with basically a whole new staff, including a LOT of jobs in various levels of the supply chain, plus future jobs
also a lot of the older molds (masters too) are wearing out and profits have to be justified in redoing (to be honest I don't know if this is closer to plans for GW to make more older FW models- the thunderbolt has been gone for a while)
rumor among managers is the GW site will include order-able fw when it is updated, the big buzz on this is the chance to sell FW through our tills, which would give us a major boost at a time when our sales targets are being compromised by changes
Tim the Thief on Faeit 212 wrote:Forgeworld Products will on the new GW shop sell like other Products, no credit cards or other stuff needed! FW will increase the production, the factory will be expanded.
Rayvon wrote: Im glad they re did it, The old one was horrible and I ended up selling them rather than Adjusting nearly all of the warped and badly fitting parts, and of course the new one looks fething ace !!
You'll probably see a price drop as well, as it looks to be a plastic/resin kit with the Drop Pod.
The Vulture Gunship went from its original release price of 65GBP(125 USD) to 60GBP(94 USD) when it was changed to the new version.
Blimey Kan, what exchange rate are you using for those numbers?!
Rayvon wrote: Im glad they re did it, The old one was horrible and I ended up selling them rather than Adjusting nearly all of the warped and badly fitting parts, and of course the new one looks fething ace !!
You'll probably see a price drop as well, as it looks to be a plastic/resin kit with the Drop Pod.
The Vulture Gunship went from its original release price of 65GBP(125 USD) to 60GBP(94 USD) when it was changed to the new version.
Blimey Kan, what exchange rate are you using for those numbers?!
The actual Forge World catalogs from 2006 and 2012.
Rayvon wrote: Im glad they re did it, The old one was horrible and I ended up selling them rather than Adjusting nearly all of the warped and badly fitting parts, and of course the new one looks fething ace !!
You'll probably see a price drop as well, as it looks to be a plastic/resin kit with the Drop Pod.
The Vulture Gunship went from its original release price of 65GBP(125 USD) to 60GBP(94 USD) when it was changed to the new version.
Strength of the dollar dropping =/= that large of a change. Your numbers took a 8% drop and made it a 26% drop. Plus the exchange rate in 2006 was an average of 1.7, yours is like 1.9.
The actual Forge World catalogs from 2006 and 2012.
Rayvon wrote: Im glad they re did it, The old one was horrible and I ended up selling them rather than Adjusting nearly all of the warped and badly fitting parts, and of course the new one looks fething ace !!
You'll probably see a price drop as well, as it looks to be a plastic/resin kit with the Drop Pod.
The Vulture Gunship went from its original release price of 65GBP(125 USD) to 60GBP(94 USD) when it was changed to the new version.
Strength of the dollar dropping =/= that large of a change. Your numbers took a 8% drop and made it a 26% drop. Plus the exchange rate in 2006 was an average of 1.7, yours is like 1.9.
The actual Forge World catalogs from 2006 and 2012.
The FW catalog also includes shipping in the exchange value. They list Death Korpsmen as ~$60, when the exchange puts them at $54, and about $60 after shipping.
MajorStoffer wrote: The FW catalog also includes shipping in the exchange value. They list Death Korpsmen as ~$60, when the exchange puts them at $54, and about $60 after shipping.
So not only do they sneak in shipping with the exchange rate, but then they also tack on 15% when you order?!
MajorStoffer wrote: The FW catalog also includes shipping in the exchange value. They list Death Korpsmen as ~$60, when the exchange puts them at $54, and about $60 after shipping.
So not only do they sneak in shipping with the exchange rate, but then they also tack on 15% when you order?!
Currently when you order from FW, it uses a true exchange for them (though your credit card), as there is no option to purchase in USD. At shows however, they use the price on the package. If you can hit free shipping, through group order or solo, it is considerably cheaper to just order the stuff.
SickSix wrote: So not only do they sneak in shipping with the exchange rate, but then they also tack on 15% when you order?!
This is only talking about the catalog prices for mail order, which I doubt anyone actually uses. Because the catalog has to be printed in advance the prices have to use "expected" exchange rates that are on the high side to ensure that FW doesn't lose a bunch of money if the conversion rates change too much. If you order from the FW website you are billed in GBP and your bank converts it into your currency under your bank's exchange rate policies.
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anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Forgeworld is less profitable than games workshop, this is a complicated subject with many business nonsense theories, but despite the price difference the profit margins are equal at best on high selling fw products versus low selling GW products
Not too concerned with this, as long as the actual models remain the same. I expect to pay a lot for FW stuff, so bringing it all under the main GW website and having the annual price increases isn't all that bad. TBH I've been expecting higher prices for a while, FW prices have been constant for years and not even increasing to keep up with inflation. The only thing I worry about business-wise is moving FW's production to GW methods. Converting everything to plastic kits would destroy all the fine detail that makes FW worth buying, and obviously moving FW over to finecast would be an absolute disaster.
also a lot of the older molds (masters too) are wearing out and profits have to be justified in redoing (to be honest I don't know if this is closer to plans for GW to make more older FW models- the thunderbolt has been gone for a while)
Have to question this a bit though: some of the very oldest kits have been dropped as the molds wear out (supposedly all the epic/AI stuff, if you believe them about anything related to specialist games), but the Thunderbolt hasn't gone anywhere. The old Lightning disappeared recently because the molds were worn out and the designer wanted to re-design a kit they weren't really happy with anymore, so maybe this person is getting questionable second-hand information?
Though I guess they could have meant that the Thunderbolt is OOP and FW are just selling off existing stock before the end, but I'd really be surprised if they'd let such an iconic model go out of production.
I love almost everything about that battlesuit, though I have 2 minor quibbles.
I don't like the vanes on the ends of the guns much, the ones that look like little rudders sticking up from the top and the bottom? I'd cut them off if I were to get this kit.
I don't like the little cog things that are centered in the outsides of the gun because it looks very much like a chaos star (admittedly missing a spoke). I'd prefer not to have any emblems on the model that look like the iconic element of a different faction: they should have used the Tau symbol instead IMO.
The head is sweeeet. Those little sci-fi vents in the chest are sweeeeet. It's a great looking kit.
What I love the most about the new suit is that they've done away with the CCTV camera on top. I've always thought it makes the suit look too much like a robot.
I don't really like it. You'd think they couldn't possibly do any worse than the stock kit but this isn't really doing anything for me. I kinda like the guns, I can see potentially using one of them instead of the crappy-looking ion accelerator bit (with a lot of modding since there's way too much stuff stuck on/sticking out of it for me) but I don't really like anything else about it, especially the head. I don't know why, it's not a bad idea having the head in a fixed position like that, but the way they did it on this model just makes it look even more strange than the original pin-headed suit. Also disappointed that they left the crooked bits on the front torso for the reactors like that, that's probably one of the things I hate most about the riptide kit and one of the first things I'd probably change myself.
I'm not a fan of the riptide but that FW version does correct some of the issues I have with it and I'd consider trading for it in the swap shop (but don't like it enough to flat out buy it). It does look like a somewhat logical extension of the XV9 hazard suit whereas the stock riptide felt to me like a huh? straight out of left field.
It is a shame they don't simply sell the extra bits as an upgrade pack. I can feel the anger now from those who just bought a bunch of Riptides to copycat the NOVA lists.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Am i the only one getting the feeling this might be a Special Character? R'varna sounds like a name
From the way the FW newsletter is worded, I think it might be an actual pattern, like the riptide, that is probably just named after some commander of something. The newsletter gives the impression that there are multiple R'varnas in existence. Although it is a weird name for a battlesuit.
That Riptide is a home run for sure and I'll be buying one (5th total). I do disagree with the people in this thread who said they don't like the regular one. I find it one of the best models in all of 40K, but to each their own I guess.
"A development of the Riptide, the R’Varna sacrifices mobility for heavier armour and increased firepower in the form of two pulse submunition cannon."
A pulse submunition rifle is 24" Str 5 AP 6 assault 1 large blast ignore cover; I dread to think what a cannon does. And this thing has two.
lord_blackfang wrote: "A development of the Riptide, the R’Varna sacrifices mobility for heavier armour and increased firepower in the form of two pulse submunition cannon."
A pulse submunition rifle is 24" Str 5 AP 6 assault 1 large blast ignore cover; I dread to think what a cannon does. And this thing has two.
I wonder how the armour gets heavier from the 2+ and invulnerable save.
lord_blackfang wrote: "A development of the Riptide, the R’Varna sacrifices mobility for heavier armour and increased firepower in the form of two pulse submunition cannon."
A pulse submunition rifle is 24" Str 5 AP 6 assault 1 large blast ignore cover; I dread to think what a cannon does. And this thing has two.
I wonder how the armour gets heavier from the 2+ and invulnerable save.
I think I am one of the few people who is not a fan of this kit. Normally I love the FW Tau kits but this one just seems to be far too top-heavy. Granted that is only because of the silly legs it has but still not my cup of tea...
The guns are somewhere in between goofy looking and downright stupid to me. They are way too big. The Ion Cannon on the riptide was pushing the upper envelope of scale for my tastes, but two guns nearly twice it's size ? Kinda dumb.
I mean looking at it, that mech couldn't put its arms down straight by it's sides without scraping the guns on the ground. That just makes no sense.
I seem to keep seeing people mention FW's website is going to merg with the main GW site. Were did this news come from anyway? Is their a date on this happening yet?
love the fact that tau are getting another fw suit,very cool.
I just hope they have someone else write the rules for it....with a few minor exceptions (barracuda, remora) the majority of the tau fw units are pretty bad (the xv9's are painful).
(have the person who wrote the new wraithseer rules write it....)
Still, might use this for the named guy from the farsight supplement if I can figure out how to mag the weapons.
Honestly, I'm not all that impressed. It seems like a repeat of the Storm Eagle: someone at FW realizes how ugly the plastic kit is and makes a conversion kit to improve it, but it's still held back by the need to cut costs by using the plastic sprues. It's obviously better than the Riptide, but is it really better enough to buy one?
Lockark wrote: I seem to keep seeing people mention FW's website is going to merg with the main GW site. Were did this news come from anyway? Is their a date on this happening yet?
GW are having/getting a revamped website around April next year AFAIK.
At least it's better than the plastic kit, but still not good enough. I guess even FW could not make the new plastic flyers look anything other than ludicrous.
Haight wrote: I dunno. I'm going to be a voice of dissent here.
I love the head, and like the back of it.
The guns are somewhere in between goofy looking and downright stupid to me. They are way too big. The Ion Cannon on the riptide was pushing the upper envelope of scale for my tastes, but two guns nearly twice it's size ? Kinda dumb.
I mean looking at it, that mech couldn't put its arms down straight by it's sides without scraping the guns on the ground. That just makes no sense.
-- Haight
The thing that bugs me is that the arms/guns and the head/chest look like they belong to different models. The chest is a utilitarian 1980s style design that looks like an upsized XV25 torso, while the arms are heavily curved and stylized more along the lines of the 2000s. It's like a AT VOTOMs scopedog with Code Geass weapons.
mh_mini wrote: I think I know my next FW purchase! Along with more XV-89s. But I'm gonna want to see the stats before i purchase one ocf.
Stats?!? Bah! It's sheer awesomeness! Perhaps this is the "Uber Suit" with twin railguns that was rumored back before the codex was released.
IMHO, this is what the Riptide should have looked like. If the rules are no bueno, I'll just use it as a proxy for my 'Tide with the Ion Accelerator. I just wish I could afford more than one!
If there is a hierarchy of treachery, then the Word Bearers sit in its highest circle. Once the most devoted and rigorous of warriors, it was not enough that they fell, but they pulled their brother Legions into the abyss with them.
For this fallen Legion, we have created sets of Mk II, Mk III and Mk IV Shoulder Pads as well as door sets for the Land Raider, Mk IIB Land Raider and the Rhino. Designed by Steve Whitehead, these resin accessories are ideal for adding Word Bearers iconography to your infantry and tanks. These sets are available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Monday 30th September. A limited quantity of these kits will be available at Games Day UK, however we are unable to accept reservations for these items.
Even when the Night Lords were counted loyal, their nature and actions were ever questioned. Some argued that they were simply a function of necessity, the monsters needed to drag a barbaric age into the light. Some say that they were a mistake, a misjudgment compounded by circumstance. A few wonder if they were damned from the moment they were born, that they were destined never to be a part of the future they would help create. All such speculation is ultimately pointless; no matter the cause, they are creatures of horror and always were.
For this monstrous Legion, we have created sets of Mk II and Mk IV Shoulder Pads as well as Night Lords Legion Land Raider Doors. Designed by Steve Whitehead, these resin accessories are ideal for adding Night Lords iconography to your infantry and tanks. These sets are available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Monday 30th September. A limited quantity of these kits will be available at Games Day UK, however we are unable to accept reservations for these items.
The Word Bearers and the Night Lords Legions will be featured in our forthcoming The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre. Further details can be found in the Forge World Visual Feed. In our latest video, writer Alan Bligh discusses what you can look forward to in the new book.
Once again laziness with the pads all being the same in each batch. I'm not a sculptor, so I shouldn't complain too much, but as a Business person it just looks bad to me that they do such basic work and tout it as magnificence.
These are the Night Lord abilities I saw in the book:
Talent for Murder: If a unit with this special rule outnumbers the enemy unit in close combat, they get +1 to Wound. Bulky models count as 2 models and Very Bulky models count as 3 models. Nostraman Blood: All models with this special rule fall back 1" farther than usual. If they become pinned, the controlling player of the unit may choose to have them fall back instead as if they had taken 25% casualties from shooting. Night Vision: All Night Lords have Night Vision From the Shadows: All models with this special rule have a 6+ cover save on the first game turn which can be combined with Stealth. If the model has a better cover save then it supersedes the 6+. Seeds of Dissent: If this army's Warlord is slain, the entire army must take morale tests as if it had taken 25%+ casualties from shooting.
Cost is same as a Power Weapon (strong being better than the Caedare weapons)
Any Night Lord Terminator Squad or Command Squad can Deep Strike for the cost of a plasma gun
Any Night Lords character can cause Fear for 5 points. It's called the Trophies of Judgement
They also have their own Rite of War, which looks like it causes Night Fighting the first turn on a 4+, and they have to take Terror squads as compulsory troop choices. Other units with access to Rhinos can take Drop Pods or Dread Claws.
-------- edit: wow, they are really giving the love to Iron Hands. They are fething stacked in this.
Inviolate Armor Shooting attacks against models with the IH Legion Astarted ability have -1 Strength (aka T5 Tactical squads for 250 points)
Also, Iron Hands can't voluntarily go to ground and must take a LD test in order to Run or Sweeping Advance. (booo hoo)
Rigid Tactics Can't have more jump infantry/bikes/jetbikes than you have infantry units
Aaand a bunch of other stuff, like Praetors having a 40pt upgrade to get a 6+ FNP and a Servo Arm to become a forge father
Theophony wrote: Once again laziness with the pads all being the same in each batch. I'm not a sculptor, so I shouldn't complain too much, but as a Business person it just looks bad to me that they do such basic work and tout it as magnificence.
Isn't the point more that with 30k and Legions that marines aren't as individual as in 40k and Chapters? Equipment and armour is more standardised except for elite units like the Palatine Blades. I could be completely wrong of course but that seems to be where the HH aesthetic is headed. Plain marines, fancy elites.
Cost is same as a Power Weapon (strong being better than the Caedare weapons)
DAGNABIT! Now I will have to build a Night Lord Army, just so i can have 40 guys running around with chain glaives! Lucky for my I found 3 unopened bottles of "Enchanted Blue" paint in my old paint box.
Tannhauser42 wrote: To me, the Stormblade was a rather obvious omission from the newest IAApoc book.
They didn't put any of the Baneblade hull tanks in the new IA:A book. My guess is it was supposed to go in the GW Apocalypse book and was dropped after FW had sent IA:A off to the printers.
Nice, so if Erebus is a warlord then you can take an allied detachment from Codex: Chaos Daemons! That's very cool. Also like that he has the same "marked by dark fates" ability that Abaddon has.
Erebus and Kor Phaeron turned out great...
i'm really impressed with all of the characters, so far...
now i just need to find someone who needs them painted...
Holy crap. I am canning my Sons of Horus army and going with Night Lords. The rite of war is exactly what I was trying to do with my Sons list but now I can do it with a single detachment. Sweet! Ok already painted squads, back to the Awesome vat with you!
It's getting harder and harder to resist starting a 30k force with the stuff they're putting out, though there's a big part of me looking forward to when the clearly chaos units start appearing to supplement the 40k army. Kakophoni marines will be a definite must when they finally release them.
Isn't the point more that with 30k and Legions that marines aren't as individual as in 40k and Chapters? Equipment and armour is more standardised except for elite units like the Palatine Blades. I could be completely wrong of course but that seems to be where the HH aesthetic is headed. Plain marines, fancy elites.
I love the plain aesthetic of the 30k marines, GW have gone way over the top in decorating men that are supposed to look like soldiers not wedding cakes.
B0B MaRlEy wrote: Night Lords, Word Bearers, Iron Hands and Salamanders I reckon. I'm saddened the Raven Guard appears on the map but not in this book ...
Don't forget that the Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion are on that map also.
It looks like to me that they will also be adding new stuff to Sons of horus, Emperor's Children, Deathgaurd, and World Eaters. (Judging from the fact of the Phoenix guard and Kakophoni marines for EC) Also alot of the Emperor's Children, Deathgaurd, and World Eater's Named Characters were loyalists in the betrayal book.
So between new 4 legions, and expanding the content for the 4 already released... They sadly had to hold off on some legions for latter books.
The Emperor protects, for everything else, there's Mastercard.
I literally LOLed....
I don't even play those armies, but I might pick up that chaplain - the figure is so stunning. I think the only thing holding me back is that my humble painting skills are no match for that amazing model.
I'm late to the party but that riptide upgrade is hideous. It matches up with the XV9 style that I'm also not a fan of. It feels like they are putting minimal effort in, this is basically charging 20 pounds for an arm and head swap on the original kit, same logic as the XV8s on the forge world site 10.50 pounds for an arm and head swap on the original kit.
Aside from original vehicle sculpts (tetras and barracuda) my wallet is safe from Forge world.
Man I'm so excited about the new HH I hope I'm goona be fortunate enough to get one at Games Day. Any clues on which Primarch is going to be available at GD?
evildrcheese wrote: Man I'm so excited about the new HH I hope I'm goona be fortunate enough to get one at Games Day. Any clues on which Primarch is going to be available at GD?
D
Everything points towards Ferrus Manus, as him and the Fulgrim model shall form a kind of Diorama ...
My next FW order is gonna be huge ... the new HH book, Ferrus Manus, Erebus, Kor Phaeron and the Phoenix Guard. Whew ...
Mecha_buddha wrote: same logic as the XV8s on the forge world site 10.50 pounds for an arm and head swap on the original kit.
You mean the XV8s that virtually every Tau player agrees are a massive upgrade over the original? If it's a choice between paying $20 for an ugly static mess of a "model" or $40 for a much better design then I think the choice is pretty obvious.
The Riptide kit is more of the same: it's an upgrade in every way, and its biggest flaws are the kit that it's based on.
Mecha_buddha wrote: same logic as the XV8s on the forge world site 10.50 pounds for an arm and head swap on the original kit.
You mean the XV8s that virtually every Tau player agrees are a massive upgrade over the original? If it's a choice between paying $20 for an ugly static mess of a "model" or $40 for a much better design then I think the choice is pretty obvious.
The Riptide kit is more of the same: it's an upgrade in every way, and its biggest flaws are the kit that it's based on.
Well I am in the minority then, because I don't see the value in paying that much for an arm and head swap, especially given Forge Worlds quality control issues. Chalk this up to one more thing you and I do not agree on.
Mecha_buddha wrote: same logic as the XV8s on the forge world site 10.50 pounds for an arm and head swap on the original kit.
You mean the XV8s that virtually every Tau player agrees are a massive upgrade over the original? If it's a choice between paying $20 for an ugly static mess of a "model" or $40 for a much better design then I think the choice is pretty obvious.
The Riptide kit is more of the same: it's an upgrade in every way, and its biggest flaws are the kit that it's based on.
Well I am in the minority then, because I don't see the value in paying that much for an arm and head swap, especially given Forge Worlds quality control issues. Chalk this up to one more thing you and I do not agree on.
What "quality control issues" would they be ?
I have been buying FW for years and apart from some old kits that did not fit very well, most of it has been bang on.
Same boat, I only had QA issues on some old Bombards I picked up years ago. There have been no quality issues on any of the many things I have picked up since.
I had issues with my Chaos Warhound titan, but it's certainly an older kit. I've not had any issues with FW kits from the last 3-4 years other than excessive flashing on MKIII legs.
The Emperor protects, for everything else, there's Mastercard.
I literally LOLed....
I live to serve
As to the FW quality control issues, the only issue I've had was a slightly warped Astral Claw Rhino Door, which with a little warm water was straight as a board, and fit perfectly into my rhino .
The Emperor protects, for everything else, there's Mastercard.
I literally LOLed....
I live to serve
As to the FW quality control issues, the only issue I've had was a slightly warped Astral Claw Rhino Door, which with a little warm water was straight as a board, and fit perfectly into my rhino .
Astral Claws rhino! I'll show you mine if you show me yours!
At the heresy weekender FW staff were saying each new book would get a new unit for the existing armies as well as new units for the new armies - if that makes sense. I noticed a number of Sons of Horus infantry in pictures from the forge world weekend that don't appear anywhere else, if I remember they were labelled as Reavers but armed with bolters. Mark Bedford also told me he had a head set for Death Guard to take them from Crusade armour to the helmets seen in the FW chaos kits. So hopefully we might see some infantry conversion kits soon.
Nephilim
As part of our Games Day UK previews, we have a feature on the Forge World Visual Feed about the Word Bearers characters: Erebus and Kor Phaeron. In our latest video, designer Edgar Skomorowski discusses what was involved in taking these characters from the page to the tabletop.
You can also view our trailer for The Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre as well as a video of writer Alan Bligh talking about what you can expect to find in this forthcoming book here.
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Commander Cain wrote: Those WB leaders look fantastic. The leaked pics did them no justice at all, very characterful and I may just get them for the joy of painting 'em up.
Also, is the sculpter new to FW? I don't think I have seen that fella before...
If you mean Edgar Skomorowski he is not new. His "debut" model was the gorgeous Vampire Counts Wight King Battle Standard Bearer and then he followed that up with Lietpold the Black.
Cant wait for some NL preview pics... hint hint. Would help plan out our spending a bit better.... Or perhaps maybe some idea of what the new squads do like you had for the Reavers.
With Erebus and Kor Phaeron being available for pre release at Games Day I somehow doubt we will see another Primarch as well. Together with the 2nd book it just seems to be too much.
Commander Cain wrote: Those WB leaders look fantastic. The leaked pics did them no justice at all, very characterful and I may just get them for the joy of painting 'em up.
Also, is the sculpter new to FW? I don't think I have seen that fella before...
If you mean Edgar Skomorowski he is not new. His "debut" model was the gorgeous Vampire Counts Wight King Battle Standard Bearer and then he followed that up with Lietpold the Black.
he also did some amazing minis for his own line, Degra minis, a few years back...
he is really good!!!
Fireball wrote: With Erebus and Kor Phaeron being available for pre release at Games Day I somehow doubt we will see another Primarch as well. Together with the 2nd book it just seems to be too much.
Last year there was:
A book.
Angron .
Terminators.
New legion armour sets.
Jet bikes.
Fellblade.
Two contemptors.
And I think some RoB tiles.
Sirius42 wrote: Just got of the phone to a guy at forgeworld, placing my pre-order, he said ferrus would be there, but he was not sure if he' d be on sale.
What a tease! It's like saying a lady of the night is available, but she's on her break and as such isn't able to acquiesce your request.
What "quality control issues" would they be ?
I have been buying FW for years and apart from some old kits that did not fit very well, most of it has been bang on.
While I haven't had an issue with my last two purchased models, I've had issues with pretty most others before that echoed the issues others raised. I once got a icon kit that looked similar to this (but was GK) where the flash was as thick as the icons. Even if the QA person was legally blind, just holding it showed how bad the mold gap was and it never should have made it into a zip lock bag as acceptable. My Inquisitor Rex also had multiple important issues.
Sirius42 wrote: Just got of the phone to a guy at forgeworld, placing my pre-order, he said ferrus would be there, but he was not sure if he' d be on sale.
What a tease! It's like saying a lady of the night is available, but she's on her break and as such isn't able to acquiesce your request.
Fear not. Just like Black Betty, Alf's mom is always ready and all rock steady.
Have to say, if they're selling it as a double kit with Erebus and Kor Phaeron then it's a lamentable no sale for me. I love the Erebus model, but I'm not at all interested in the Kor Phaeron model. I'd even go so far as to call it goofy.
Bull0 wrote: Have to say, if they're selling it as a double kit with Erebus and Kor Phaeron then it's a lamentable no sale for me. I love the Erebus model, but I'm not at all interested in the Kor Phaeron model. I'd even go so far as to call it goofy.
To be fair, he's supposed to be goofy. He's a human that has been enhanced to be as close to an astartes as possible, but still doesn't quite make it.
Edit: Everyone should email forgeworld asking for Space Marine Squad badges in etched brass, I emailed them asking if such a thing was coming down the pipeline, but no such luck atm.
Edit: Everyone should email forgeworld asking for Space Marine Squad badges in etched brass, I emailed them asking if such a thing was coming down the pipeline, but no such luck atm.
I would love for them to make squad badges, as well as things like Librarian and Chaplain symbols, apothecary symbols, and different honor marks.
Edit: Everyone should email forgeworld asking for Space Marine Squad badges in etched brass, I emailed them asking if such a thing was coming down the pipeline, but no such luck atm.
I would love for them to make squad badges, as well as things like Librarian and Chaplain symbols, apothecary symbols, and different honor marks.
Me too - anything to help make converting librarians and chaplains easier/better!
It is a great sculpt. The harness is awesome, and I think he might have one of my favorite faces that I have seen sculpted. Can't wait for them to get to Corax.
Watched the video twice, it's even better than I imagined! I'm glad that Xmas and my birthday are at the same time, I'm going to have to get all of these now
They did an incredible job with Ferrus. It's been a really long time since I was stunned by a 40k mini (the last one being Inquisitor Rex when I first saw him) but that one is one of the best looking I've seen since.
So, he's the Primarch of the Iron Hands chapter, his hands are made of iron, and his name means in latin Iron Hands? Yeah, we get it, Gee-dubs.
Model is great, name is godawful and kind of a deal killer. Obviously my issue with this actually predates this model significantly.
Now that I have that off my chest, I need to get back to work on the chapter master of my own custom chapter, the Red Blades - Captain Redblade, who has a red blade in each hand.
Ouze wrote: So, he's the Primarch of the Iron Hands chapter, his hands are made of iron, and his name means in latin Iron Hands? Yeah, we get it, Gee-dubs.
Model is great, name is godawful and kind of a deal killer. Obviously my issue with this actually predates this model significantly.
Now that I have that off my chest, I need to get back to work on the chapter master of my own custom chapter, the Red Blades - Captain Redblade, who has a red blade in each hand.
Don't forget he also has armour of the redsword, a redsword necklace, a red sword talisman and the oath of redsword.
I've not forgiven GW for the SW...
Don't forget he also has armour of the redsword, a redsword necklace, a red sword talisman and the oath of redsword.
I've not forgiven GW for the SW...
Nothing beats the Decapitator decapitating people with his decapitating Decapitator. It's what he does.
Ouze wrote: So, he's the Primarch of the Iron Hands chapter, his hands are made of iron, and his name means in latin Iron Hands? Yeah, we get it, Gee-dubs.
You actually have a problem with this particular case? A name is given to a (nameless) character after a very specific and defining physical trait and then passed on to a formation he's almost literally the blueprint for, to the point most members of said formation would replace their actual hands with prosthetics.
For once it makes sense and isn't even close to the Bloodmissiles and Bloodfists of the general 40k setting.
Naming conventions don't put me off amazing models. And this model is definitely my favorite primarch so far. I'm also now super excited for Perturabo when he eventually gets released. The Primarchs have been going from strength to strength.
And I'll second that adding Manus to Fulgrim in a diorama makes Fulgrim even better.
Hulksmash wrote: Naming conventions don't put me off amazing models. And this model is definitely my favorite primarch so far. I'm also now super excited for Perturabo when he eventually gets released. The Primarchs have been going from strength to strength.
And I'll second that adding Manus to Fulgrim in a diorama makes Fulgrim even better.
Yeah, Fulgrim's vertical motion contrasts nicely with Manus's horizontal motion.
Ferrus looks AWESOME. I was kind of torn about what Legion to do, but this made up my mind. I'll probably be preordering him when they put him up on the FW website.
Col. Dash wrote: To hell with Ferrus, bring us Colonel Kurtz, primarch of the Night Lords, wait..... something is wrong there... just cant put my finger on it.
Ferrus is the first Primarch model from FW Im disappointed with. His head/face is so ordinary, looks like any old generic Sergent to me. And the paint job, a sort of tan effect on him? isnt he from Medusa a world perpetually gloomy where the sun rarely breaks through? Is he holidaying in Florida?
Thought they should have bulked him out significantly more too. The interlock with Fulgrim is a cool idea though.
Theophony wrote: The Figure is amazing. It almost has me wanting to build Iron Hands. The character exudes character, why doesn't his legion have any?????
They could have. Try reading "The Blessing of Iron" by Anthony Reynolds
warboss wrote: They did an incredible job with Ferrus. It's been a really long time since I was stunned by a 40k mini (the last one being Inquisitor Rex when I first saw him) but that one is one of the best looking I've seen since.
QFT. That mini made me wish I'd kept my tiny little Iron Hands army from before they got any support.
Either way, that guy's epic, though, and I might still paint one up.
BrotherVord wrote: I love th way the two models fit together, it's a really cool touch. Maybe we'll get the same thing for some of the other primarchs, one can hope.
We'll see. Sanguinius-Horus-Emperor-three-way-set
Still, at the current pace, it'll be a while
Games Day 2012 - Angron
Inbetween GDs - Fulgrim
Games Day 2013 - Ferrus Manus
Inbetween GDs - Corax
Games Day 2014 - Night Haunter
Inbetween GDs - Vulkan
Games Day 2015 - Magnus
Inbetween GDs - Leman Russ
Games Day 2016 - Lorgar
Inbetween GDs - Guilliman
Games Day 2017 - Mortarion
Inbetween GDs - Khan
Games Day 2018 - Rogal Dorn
Inbetween GDs - Perturabo
Games Day 2019 - The Lion
Inbetween GDs - Alpharius
Games Day 2020 - Sanguinius
Inbetween GDs - Horus
Games Day 2021 - The Emperor
A great model, let down by two things; the paintjob makes his face look derpy, he even has slightly crossed-eyes - you'd think for a Primarch piece they'd have made the effort to check and correct that sort of error; and the weird servo-backpack-thingy.
Don't get me wrong, the pack is tre cool, a very nice set of servo-arms there, but I have two problems with it. The first is that it makes the model look off-balance to me, as if he's about to fall over backwards. The second is that it's conceptually redundant; Ferrus could shape materials and repair machinery with his bare hands, he'd have no need of a servo-harness.
Still, he's not beyond salvation; cut down the bottom of the scenic base a bit so he's a bit more horizontal, like he's leaning into the swing of the hammer instead of trying to swat the Pink Prancing Pony Primarch, then mess about with the back of the torso so it looks good without the extraneous gubbinz attached, and of course paint the face properly.
. I'm reading Fulgrim 
Termies are Ah-mazing!
- that's just plan awesauce!!!
