Lockark wrote:
I'm sad about this "no warhammer forge for the next two years", huge bummers.

But then I realized something.

Been alot of buzz going around that in 2 years we will get the new ed of fantsey...

Sorry of I missed it, but where was this revealed??

How do you get 3 books out of Prospero? It's two legions, one battle and some Sisters of Silence thrown in.

@Sick Six - £££ $$$ - That's where you get it from. If it sells spin it out so that you can get more cash. Not that I'm complaining at FW mind you, as the vast majority of their products are top notch quality.

 SickSix wrote:
How do you get 3 books out of Prospero? It's two legions, one battle and some Sisters of Silence thrown in.

I believe he's referring to a second trilogy of which Prospero is one book with the other two being Signus and Calth.

 SickSix wrote:
How do you get 3 books out of Prospero? It's two legions, one battle and some Sisters of Silence thrown in.

Prospero Guard and the Adeptus Custodes also played a large part in the battle.

8 year until HH is finally over. It almost feels like one grand masterplan by GW . And after this 8 years, when all the legions and books has been released what then??

Is that the end of SM? Unlike when they updated the codex and added unheard off new units like centurions etc, GW no longer has a reason to produce any new SM product coz everything in the 30th millennium would have alr existed. It's like they are finalizing the SM range of products.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that It feels like the end of things. Almost like the emperors grand plans for the imperium.


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On a sidenote...

•I predict that the centurion will eventually be featured in the horus heresy novels to explain its appearance.

•after the HH has been fully released, GW will hold another global tourney to decide the future of the 41st millennium (14th black crusade, "Green" millennium etc)

alan bligh was adamant that after the battle the scouring happens - all retreating chaos marines heading to the eye and the retaliation of the imperium. very much unwritten territory which has scope to be as good as the lead up to the battle of terra.

badgermeister wrote:
alan bligh was adamant that after the battle the scouring happens - all retreating chaos marines heading to the eye and the retaliation of the imperium. very much unwritten territory which has scope to be as good as the lead up to the battle of terra.

Plus he said if they do make it to the scouring then they'll more than likely take on Post-Heresy Xenos armies as it's during this period they make the resurgence

Not impressed with the Saurian. Its supposed to have all kinds of gold danglies and glyphs and gems and stuff. Instead it looks like a badly proportioned T-Rex. They have done much better and I rate that one in the lower tier of FW/WF product as it stands.

The Dread Saurian is a WIP.

Depending upon who is sculpting it(looks like an Edgar "Insert Surname Here"), they might do the detail work after finishing the main sculpt.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

badgermeister wrote:
alan bligh was adamant that after the battle the scouring happens - all retreating chaos marines heading to the eye and the retaliation of the imperium. very much unwritten territory which has scope to be as good as the lead up to the battle of terra.

Plus he said if they do make it to the scouring then they'll more than likely take on Post-Heresy Xenos armies as it's during this period they make the resurgence

I read a rumor somewhere that said that they were interested in doing the Great Crusade and Unification Wars.

 c0j1r0 wrote:

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

badgermeister wrote:
alan bligh was adamant that after the battle the scouring happens - all retreating chaos marines heading to the eye and the retaliation of the imperium. very much unwritten territory which has scope to be as good as the lead up to the battle of terra.

Plus he said if they do make it to the scouring then they'll more than likely take on Post-Heresy Xenos armies as it's during this period they make the resurgence

I read a rumor somewhere that said that they were interested in doing the Great Crusade and Unification Wars.

That's what I'd be MOST interested in - and with the Great Crusade, you've got a lot of Xenos opportunities too.

That was a Faeit rumor, IIRC. So who knows.

However, if they do Thunder Warriors and the unification period, I'm sold. I know not everyone feels that way, but I love that stuff.

Important to note that at the current rate for HH stuff, we're probably looking at the 2020s for unification stuff.

The Red butchers are great minis, had a look through the sculptor book of sketches for the faces and they are amazing looking. Cant wait for them to come out.
Also if you want to field a heresy army you'll need to buy the first book.

This may sound a little stupid, but when are all these being released? I gather it won't be all in one big bunch, but are we talking about in the next month or so?

New command minis.

That second banner bearer in particular looks marvelous!

 Warpig1815 wrote:
This may sound a little stupid, but when are all these being released? I gather it won't be all in one big bunch, but are we talking about in the next month or so?

over the course of the next few months or so.

I rather like the medieval/roman-esque helmet on the second one. I'm trying to think what Legion it would represent though - unless it's just generic of course.

EDIT: Cheers Alf.

Probably emperors children but I could see it being generic.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
New command minis.

Second banner bearer shall henceforth be promoted to the rank of Captain, because Lt. Morgan just wouldn't be right.

Red Butchers are amazing but as per the Rampagers and Justaerin I'm expecting their rules to be terribad. The Iron Hands stuff is fantastic; I love the Immortals. Great stuff all around. Lorgar is unimpressive compared to the others however from what I understand that's actually very fitting of his power and also his personality.

Col. Dash wrote:
Not impressed with the Saurian. Its supposed to have all kinds of gold danglies and glyphs and gems and stuff. Instead it looks like a badly proportioned T-Rex. They have done much better and I rate that one in the lower tier of FW/WF product as it stands.

I'm not trying to make a catchy derisive name, but the dread saurian model looks nothing like I imagined by the name or art, and more like a scrawny lizard rat. Very disappointing.

I should know this but is the break up of the Legions before or after the Scouring?

It would be awesome to see FW flesh out the successors. Maybe my Silver Skulls could get some love!

MK II Command, at last!

the talk of the great crusade/unification wars was briefly mentioned at the HH weekender as its something Dan Abnett wanted to put pen to paper about. The brief reaction was like dropping your bag of chips amongst some feral pigeons - if they mention it at next years weekender i'm sure if the reaction is replicated itll be secured as a future project

 gorgon wrote:
That was a Faeit rumor, IIRC. So who knows.

However, if they do Thunder Warriors and the unification period, I'm sold. I know not everyone feels that way, but I love that stuff.

Important to note that at the current rate for HH stuff, we're probably looking at the 2020s for unification stuff.

I don't think it would need attention of the same scale as HH, a box set and a few expansion model releases backed up by black library releases would allow this period to be successfully filled. It would be amazing to get a chance to roll on the unification period. The crusade would be a much better large scale project with the multitude of alien races to concentrate on after all the human love throughout the HH effort. By 2020 we might all be looking something fesh and unpower armoured.......but then again maybe not!!

i see the unification in a gaming sense as an ethical dilemma. Its ethnic cleansing on a global scale - obviously its the same for most of 40k but it was focused on wiping out religion and unifying man to a singular purpose. Too many similarities to recent events would be a bad idea as a gaming focus. i reckon thunder warriors would be a good 'FW event' model though.

@badgermeister - Arguably though (And I'm not outright saying your wrong), if that is the case, then they wouldn't have seen fit to release 40K - which essentially revolves around mass oppression of ideas and the suppression of individuality - concepts which society cherish now. In any case, I'm not sure the Unification era was 'ethnical' cleansing. Sure, it included the removal of religion, but it certainly didn't get rid of ethnical types - I gather the Emperor had more on his mind than segregating ethnical groups. However, this is really a conversation for another thread.

More on-topic, I'd love to see some Unification Era stuff. However, they'll have their work cut out for them. Not only would they have to do a generic line for 'Thunder Warriors' and 'Techno-barbarians' (For DIY purposes), but they'd also have to bring out an Imperial Army line (The Emperor's own forces) and a, ostensibly, a line for each of the known factions on Terra (Albyon, Boeotia Achaemenid Empire etc.) They'll have a tonne of fluff to churn out to support this, but it's well worth it in my eyes (So long as it doesn't detract from the 'mystery' of the Era that is alluded to in 40K of course). However, as it'll be an all-human range, I can't see them putting it out straight after they finish up the HH range.

badgermeister wrote:
i see the unification in a gaming sense as an ethical dilemma. Its ethnic cleansing on a global scale - obviously its the same for most of 40k but it was focused on wiping out religion and unifying man to a singular purpose. Too many similarities to recent events would be a bad idea as a gaming focus. i reckon thunder warriors would be a good 'FW event' model though.

That would actually just make it more interesting, with all the moral dilemmas involved. Although destroying competing factions and denying them their religion has little to do with 'ethnic cleansing' - the latter is more about total slaughter of said people, and I've thought that Unification Wars and Great Crusade were more about removing any opposition to unity, not about killing all the civilians of 'wrong color'.

IMO the great crusade would emphesize more on other factions besides SM . Considering that the HH era has the same units as during the great crusade.

I would expect more orks, elder, SOB and IG but I have doubts about IG considering we alr have the imperial armor series.

 Senortaco wrote:
IMO the great crusade would emphesize more on other factions besides SM . Considering that the HH era has the same units as during the great crusade.

I would expect more orks, elder, SOB and IG but I have doubts about IG considering we alr have the imperial armor series.

SOB don't exist during the Great Crusade, they are post heresy. It would most likely focus on the alien forces in particular, so Eldar (of both stripes, currently reading Tales of Heresy, and dark eldar have made an appearance), orks, and possibly examples of isolated necron tomb worlds that have awoken early, or some of the Tyranid fleets which are rumoured to have arrived in the galaxy earlier (thinking of the origins of Catachan Devils and similar examples here). Also, they may introduce some new xenos forces, which would be awesome.

Also, on a side note, what armour pattern are those World Eater terminators wearing? It looks like a cross between Tartaros pattern and the 40k standard Indomitus pattern, really interesting. The torsos and power packs are more similar to Indomitus, and some of the models have knee pads and extra hip plates, like Indomitus pattern. However, the legs in general, and in particular the greaves (especially the solid greaves on the models without knee pads) and the armour pattern on the thighs is far more like Tartaros pattern. The shoulder pads seem to be WE unique pads, and look more like Cataphractii pattern, and I can't decide on the arms, because they have extra plates attached over the distinctive features of the 2 patterns on the arms. So yeah, I have no idea which of the 2 patterns they are equipped with It looks like a mixture to me, but i didn't think they were compatible.

On the subject of Unification Wars, someone asked at the second FW Seminar at Games Day if they were likely to produce any sets of Mark I armour. The answer was a pretty solid no, apart from the odd piece showing up in artificer/character armour.

Looky Likey wrote:

 Sirius42 wrote:
They are planning to get one version of all primarchs out before any alternates, so 3 years for the first version of all of them, also, the books Tony Cotrell said in the seminar that they had timelined up to 30 battles they could do books for, 3-6 is prospero, signus ( with dark angels thrown in), and Calth, by which point every legion except white scars will have had at least some love. After that there is talk of mars, and dark mechanicum, the plan being to put enough ad mech in the first six that when they get to dark mech there's already a well established starting point.


Prospero will definantly have custodes and sisters of silence, signus will obviously cover demons, Oh and Calth will include some imperial army.

30 books at 2 a year would be insane if they meant 1 battle per book, 14 years is a very long time to keep everybody's interest especially as they are beginning to wind up the BL HH books and I estimate we have 2 or 3 years left of those.

I would be shocked if we only had 3 years left of HH books. A lot of legions haven't even been really touched yet. My guess is it will take them 2-3 years just to complete the Siege of Terra. But who knows.

A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

xowainx wrote:
On the subject of Unification Wars, someone asked at the second FW Seminar at Games Day if they were likely to produce any sets of Mark I armour. The answer was a pretty solid no, apart from the odd piece showing up in artificer/character armour.

And I am pretty sure that once they run out of HH stuff to produce (yes, I am aware this will be a while!) they will undoubtedly change their minds, Space Marines just sell far too well!

On the subject of the FW previews, I love the basilisk thing, very good looking kit. Lorgar is pretty dull looking tbh but then I have not really been awestruck with any of the Primarchs yet (though Ferrus is pretty cool). Not that it is anything wrong with the sculpting I am just not a fan of the art that they drew their inspiration from.

Looking forward to seeing some Thousand Sons stuff as I am holding out buying heaps of models until their release comes around for fear of bringing the entire country, no, the continent into an economic collapse!

Please FW, just put them on the website to order. I have been a good boy.

xowainx wrote:
On the subject of Unification Wars, someone asked at the second FW Seminar at Games Day if they were likely to produce any sets of Mark I armour. The answer was a pretty solid no, apart from the odd piece showing up in artificer/character armour.

In all fairness up until a few months before the announced the HH line, they said that they wouldn't be do it.

I've been super hyped about all this cool HH stuff and chaos eventually getting some good old forgeworld love.

But I have to admit I find the Unification Wars kinda 'meh'. I know people complain that HH is just mariens vs. mariens, but atleast in the HH you still got Deamons, Eldar, and Orks yucking it up. Dureing the Unification Wars you don't even have thows guys. It's literately just humans in power armour fighting each other...

I like the idea of them doing books based on the fighting retreat that the tratiors made back into the eye of terror, and the re-emergence of the xenos threat.

@Lockark - It's not just 'Marine vs Marines' really. I can see why it would be a bit boring as it would just be Humans vs Humans, but this period is really the start of the whole Imperium. By bringing out a Unification range, FW can not only cover one aspect of 40K fluff, but they can also bring out a range of models that can easily be adapted for an IG or Imperial Army force. There would also be other models such as gene-enhanced humans (Geno-Five-Two-Chiliad) and Techno-Barbarians. It's a promising range, but so soon after the HH it may prove to be too similar.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
@Lockark - It's not just 'Marine vs Marines' really. I can see why it would be a bit boring as it would just be Humans vs Humans, but this period is really the start of the whole Imperium. By bringing out a Unification range, FW can not only cover one aspect of 40K fluff, but they can also bring out a range of models that can easily be adapted for an IG or Imperial Army force. There would also be other models such as gene-enhanced humans (Geno-Five-Two-Chiliad) and Techno-Barbarians. It's a promising range, but so soon after the HH it may prove to be too similar.

The unification era would probably be released along other bigger "projects" . More to ensure they cover that part of SM fluff then to really make a sale

Honestly if they did the Great Crusade we might get dare I say Hrud? or even those that should not be named? or other Xenos??

I have kind of dropped of with mainstream GW (unless they decide to do Sisters or those small bearded ones)

I bought Erebus the weekend at GD. He is a stunning figure

Will be interesting to see how big Thunderwarriors will be in comparison to regular Astartes.

 BrookM wrote:
Will be interesting to see how big Thunderwarriors will be in comparison to regular Astartes.

Not a fan of that BL direction, hopefully FW would just go with the older version i.e. just early Marines in thunder armour.

Legion... the Legion calls to me! Wanting Iron Hands gubbinz so badly!!

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

Last year at games day UK in the BL seminar they said they were barely half way through, it could change of course but if anything, they will drag it out longer I'm sure.

 Rayvon wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

Last year at games day UK in the BL seminar they said they were barely half way through, it could change of course but if anything, they will drag it out longer I'm sure.

And thats what bothers me FW is now just HH world with a few extra bit. Please if your listening Mr FW please do Xenos like Hrud, I'm just waiting for new Xenos

I think it is safe to say that they will get to Xenos. Personally I want to see the Interex. But there are a lot of different options out there.

yukihyou wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

Last year at games day UK in the BL seminar they said they were barely half way through, it could change of course but if anything, they will drag it out longer I'm sure.

And thats what bothers me FW is now just HH world with a few extra bit. Please if your listening Mr FW please do Xenos like Hrud, I'm just waiting for new Xenos

Aye as much as I love the HH and marines I would kill for some Hrud and new Xenos races.
I think they will get on that bandwagon too eventually because by the time the HH is up people will be crying out for this stuff almost as much as they were for HH stuff before they started making it.

Yodhrin wrote:
Oh fer...could they not even resist retconning which hand they replace with bionics? It's the left hand they replace with a bionic implant because the chapter symbol is a left handed gauntlet design.

Continued lack of quality control within the GW stables.......or they just don't give a stuff.

This may be a little late for the party, but I think that is a post-Heresy convention for the Iron Hands. Not sure though. Supposedly Ferrus Manus was against the increasing of bionics for the Legion, not in support of.

brettz123 wrote:

Looky Likey wrote:
Prospero will definantly have custodes and sisters of silence, signus will obviously cover demons, Oh and Calth will include some imperial army.

30 books at 2 a year would be insane if they meant 1 battle per book, 14 years is a very long time to keep everybody's interest especially as they are beginning to wind up the BL HH books and I estimate we have 2 or 3 years left of those.

I would be shocked if we only had 3 years left of HH books. A lot of legions haven't even been really touched yet. My guess is it will take them 2-3 years just to complete the Siege of Terra. But who knows.

 Slinky wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Will be interesting to see how big Thunderwarriors will be in comparison to regular Astartes.

Not a fan of that BL direction, hopefully FW would just go with the older version i.e. just early Marines in thunder armour.

In Book One: Betrayal i am pretty sure they're described as pretty dang Monstrous. Although i am not sure they are directly given a Height, i believe they are described multiple times as Hulking, gigantic and/or other synonyms. The chapter about the Warhounds/Worldeaters has a passage about them.

EDIT: Although Thunder Warriors are the top of my list, some Xenos would be nice, it would be neat to see those Giant Orks that nearly killed the Emperor.

Doesn't 1 thunderwarrior beat the crap out of a load of marines in the outcast dead?

I personally have no interest in Thunderwarriors or the Unification Wars.

I would love to see the Scouring and mainly the Second founding covered.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Doesn't 1 thunderwarrior beat the crap out of a load of marines in the outcast dead?

That would make sense, Each Thunder Warrior 'Hulking Carcass' has '3 or 4 times his number in Legiones Astartes dead' around him.

 Perkustin wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Doesn't 1 thunderwarrior beat the crap out of a load of marines in the outcast dead?

That would make sense, Each Thunder Warrior 'Hulking Carcass' has '3 or 4 times his number in Legiones Astartes dead' around him.

Shhhhh, some of us are trying to forget that book exists

Sadly, it happened, because if we're going to have to swallow bad chronology from McNeill, we can also take that little thing.

I was quoting FW Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal. I haven't read the heresy series of books, i prefer the more 'grounded' militaristic fiction presented in the FW prose.

I personally like the Thunder Warrior's new guise as Giant Frakenstein's Monsters. I think those goofy looking Top Knot guys with the sunglasses should really stay in the past.

 Perkustin wrote:


I personally like the Thunder Warrior's new guise as Giant Frakenstein's Monsters. I think those goofy looking Top Knot guys with the sunglasses should really stay in the past.

No worries there, as I'm pretty sure that's the case now!

Anyone got any idea what the following emblem represents? I got the badge in a box of replacement models from Forgeworld a couple of days ago, and haven't been able to ID it. The sunburst is similar to heresy era Thousand Sons, but the filled in centre and 3 minor flares per arc are significant differences. It seems vaguely familiar, but I just can't place it.

Maybe it's the badge that identifies you as a member of the secretive FW lodge.

It's the World Bearers apparently

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Word-Bearers-Forgeworld-Badge-pin-Limited-Games-Day-2013-Horus-Heresy-Massacre-/321220256303

I'm dubious of it being Word Bearers given the purple background and the fact it doesn't appear on any of the Word Bearer models that Forgeworld have just released.

That is the early eight arrowed star of chaos. On Colchis there were pagan cults that were later revived as unit markings and such during the Heresy. One of them was a Iron 4 pointed sun with a skull in the middle... that later grew a smaller point in the middles (for 8) and with that same sun burning through the skull is the 40k Word Bearer symbol.

If anyone has the HH books with them, that particular cult symbol is mentioned by name, I just don't have the book at hand

...the more you know

Horus Heresy Book Two: Massacre 70 GBP

Word of Horus’ treachery escapes Isstvan III and now the Legions loyal to the Emperor mobilise to make Horus and those who follow account for their crimes. However the depth of the betrayal is yet to be revealed.

The Horus Heresy Book Two - Massacre is lavishly illustrated in full colour and contains the dark deeds leading up to the terrible slaughter that unfolded during the Isstvan V Dropsite Massacre. Also detailed are the histories of the four legions that took part: The Iron Hands, Salamanders, Night Lords and Word Bearers, and an extensive campaign system so you can play out the battles on the tabletop. This book also contains additional entries for the Space Marine Legion Crusade Army list presented in The Horus Heresy Book One – Betrayal, as well as games rules for the Primarchs of the four newly described Legions, super-heavy vehicles and special characters featured in the story.

This book is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 18th October. More news on the Horus Heresy Book Two – Massacre can be found in the Forge World Visual Feed where we have writer Alan Bligh discussing what you can look forward to in the new book.

Erebus and Kor Phaeron 55 GBP

Erebus was once the high Chaplain of the Word Bearers and venerated the Emperor as a divine being. When the Emperor chastised the Word Bearers for worshipping him Erebus felt humiliated. His drive for spiritual knowledge led him into the arms of the ruinous powers and through their guidance he planned the downfall of the Emperor and all he had wrought.

Along with Erebus, Kor Phaeron has the ear of his Primarch and, more than any other individual, is responsible for Lorgar’s nature as a seeker after the truth, wherever that truth may lie and whatever terrible secrets it might reveal.

New additions to our Horus Heresy Character Series, Erebus and Kor Phaeron, designed by Edgar Skomorowski, are two multi-part resin kits with two scenic bases that can be incorporated into a scenic display base. This model is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 18th October. To see a video of Edgar talking about creating these infamous characters click here.

I've loved those models from the first moment I saw them but I can't help but feel some more decorations on the backpack would add character to them.

Legio Cybernetica have their own full list, it appears looking at the table of content preview.

Chrysis wrote:
Anyone got any idea what the following emblem represents? I got the badge in a box of replacement models from Forgeworld a couple of days ago, and haven't been able to ID it. The sunburst is similar to heresy era Thousand Sons, but the filled in centre and 3 minor flares per arc are significant differences. It seems vaguely familiar, but I just can't place it.

If you look at the few MK1 power armor miniatures the chest plate has the sunburst symbol. What I heard is that it's the pre-Imperial symbol of the Emperor, before he was the emperor.

If they sold Erebus seperately I would be getting him for Reclusiarch conversion fodder. Alas this is not the case.

Is that the symbol for the Serrated Sun?

Yes it is, the serrated sums are a word bearers chapter that were the first to be daemonically possesed, the sun does represent an early sigil of chaos hence the reason these guys are serrated suns. They later killed each other and there leader formed the vakra-jal (jade fire)

Anyone have any real experience with the various terminator sets?

I was wanting to make a forgeworld 10 man assault terminator squad but nothing seems viable that I could see. Thunder hammers but no storm shields, for example. That and there is only 2 claw pairs, so you cant arm all 5 as assault, legally anyhow.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Doesn't 1 thunderwarrior beat the crap out of a load of marines in the outcast dead?

Yeah pretty much though he does get hurt himself.

 Compel wrote:
Anyone have any real experience with the various terminator sets?

I was wanting to make a forgeworld 10 man assault terminator squad but nothing seems viable that I could see. Thunder hammers but no storm shields, for example. That and there is only 2 claw pairs, so you cant arm all 5 as assault, legally anyhow.

cataphractii terminators are Slow and Purposefull with a ++4sv, over normal terminators in the HH rules. This is a free upgrade from normal terminators. Lack of Stormsheilds on these guys isn't as unviable as you might as 1st think. Also their are no Assault and tactical termies in the HH rules. They get to mix and match like CSM termies.

The preview up on the site has a full page spread shot of the Sallies rules.

Their special rite of war grants all vehicles a 5++, but they can't deepstrike anything and can only take as many heavy slots as they have troop choices.

So excited.

 Compel wrote:
Anyone have any real experience with the various terminator sets?

I was wanting to make a forgeworld 10 man assault terminator squad but nothing seems viable that I could see. Thunder hammers but no storm shields, for example. That and there is only 2 claw pairs, so you cant arm all 5 as assault, legally anyhow.

If you're aiming to run them as a standard codex marines assault termi squad for hammers/shields then using the hands from the new vanguard kit with thunder hammers and storm shields on the bodies/arms from the forgeworld terminators should work well, and likely cheaper than using forgeworld own hands.

Cheers, Lockark, but I'm more thinking about the actual models and using them as normal codex dudes.

I've got a ton of Cataphractii that I've built to have modular hands/arms. My assault terminators use the thunder hammer from the special weapons sprues magnetized and for the storm shield I got Paulson shields and used GK terminator hand to hold them which I also magnetized. to me they look excellent. You could also do something similar with the Tartaros though I haven't built mine yet so no experience there that I can share.

Chrysis wrote:
Anyone got any idea what the following emblem represents? I got the badge in a box of replacement models from Forgeworld a couple of days ago, and haven't been able to ID it. The sunburst is similar to heresy era Thousand Sons, but the filled in centre and 3 minor flares per arc are significant differences. It seems vaguely familiar, but I just can't place it.

I cant say....

It's gotta be T-sons

Anyone else seeing the pic of the Iron Hands Contemptor with the missilea, CCW and Siege Drill? Does that mean there's a siege drill arm coming out for the contemptor in the near (ish) future?

Check the preview up on the FW site.

There's a page with the title 'Serrated Suns' and a picture of a Thunderhawk with that symbol on the side.

The Dark Apostle and Ifurita called it a little earlier in the thread.

 Blacksails wrote:
Check the preview up on the FW site.

There's a page with the title 'Serrated Suns' and a picture of a Thunderhawk with that symbol on the side.

The Dark Apostle and Ifurita called it a little earlier in the thread.

This image:


It's tough to make out the symbol.

Madocyw wrote:
Anyone else seeing the pic of the Iron Hands Contemptor with the missilea, CCW and Siege Drill? Does that mean there's a siege drill arm coming out for the contemptor in the near (ish) future?

Probably so. When I built my Contemptor I used a FW dreadnought siege drill for the MkIV its immediately compatible, you just use the Contemptor's shoulder instead. That is just to say it's not at all difficult for FW to do a repackage or a new bit if they want.

Yeah, that picture confirms it as Serrated Suns. Which would also explain why it doesn't show on any models to date, as none of them have been clan specific. If they do models and a unit for the first possessed however...

I would love me some Gal Vorbak !

Spare a copper gov'na?

Meanwhile Dr Jekyl scrounges through the rubbish looking for a hat.

Chrysis wrote:
Anyone got any idea what the following emblem represents? I got the badge in a box of replacement models from Forgeworld a couple of days ago, and haven't been able to ID it. The sunburst is similar to heresy era Thousand Sons, but the filled in centre and 3 minor flares per arc are significant differences. It seems vaguely familiar, but I just can't place it.

that is the badge for the serrated suns or gal vorbak, the first deamonically possessed SMs. It would make sense as they are currently releasing the word bearers legion.

CSM players are gunna be emptying their wallets when FW release the possessed marine.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
What about the Tau R'varna?

Was thinking the same myself and found this on Tautactica (don't think anyone else has put anything on here regarding the XV107, so interesting for us Tau guys )-

gr1m_dan-
Just got back from Games Day in the UK (Apart from a couple of areas, it was rubbish, never going again) and spoke to the chap who has done the XV107 rules and got a few little tidbits from him.

It has:

Higher toughness value - he said one point higher so T7.

More wounds - Didn't say how many but I think 6.

Nova Reactor has different effects to the normal one BUT can still hurt itself.

Weapons - Submunition Cannons (Plasma I think he said) - the bigger the target it hits, the higher strength of the weapon. Two 5" blasts also I think, he said 5" blast but I forgot to ask if two or one but model would suggest two. He said it is great against all infantry but if it hits a tank then it REALLY excels due to "size" of target hit. Wasn't really clear but could be a winner.

Few weeks yet as they need to be play tested accordingly he said. Shouldn't be too long though as he was willing to give quite a bit away!

Not sure how the weapon will work :-S He just said "bigger targets take higher strength hits" so maybe it works on Infantry/MC/Vehicle etc etc??? He mentioned it would make a mess of light armour (like we needed help with that but hey). 60" Range for definite though.

100% no jump pack.

Didn't mention anything about it being Stealthy either. Just higher toughness and more wounds.

It will be interesting to see what the Nova Reactor does though!

EDIT :-

Sorry I couldn't get everything I was just listening to what he said. Should have asked a lot more Sad

I hope they make some conversion kits/new rules for different versions of Wraithknight as well.

XV107 doesn't seem to have a shield generator, jet pack, or secondary weapons, so 3 of the 4 normal options for the normal nova reactor are out it would seem.

cadbren wrote:
Spare a copper gov'na?

That made me chuckle.

cadbren wrote:
Meanwhile Dr Jekyl scrounges through the rubbish looking for a hat.

That made me exalt.

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Erebus was once the High Chaplain of the Word Bearers and venerated the Emperor as a divine being. When the Emperor chastised the Word Bearers for worshipping him, Erebus’ drive for spiritual knowledge led him into the welcoming arms of the Ruinous Powers and through their guidance he planned the downfall of the Emperor and all he had wrought.
Along with Erebus, Kor Phaeron has the ear of his Primarch and, more than any other individual, is responsible for Lorgar’s nature as a seeker after the truth, wherever that may lie and whatever terrible secrets it might reveal.

The latest additions to our Horus Heresy Character Series, Erebus and Kor Phaeron , designed by Edgar Skomorowski, are two multi-part resin kits with two scenic bases that can be combined into a single scenic diorama. Each individual is resplendant with fine details, from the runic script carved upon Erebus' head to the intricate lightning claws of Kor Phaeron's armour. This set is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Friday 18th October. To see a video of Edgar talking about how he designed these infamous characters, click here.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

And I though the scout models had terriblely-sculpted heads.....

Well he is a old man in termi armour and not a marine

I don't understand why they messed Kor Phaeron design; he looked much better in the WD preview:



Every change they did was for the worse. Face, the claws and the details of the armour were all better in the preliminary version.

I do like the claws on the model though. If I were doing a bird themed chapter I'd grab him and do some amputating. It almost makes me want to do a howling griffons detachment.

All I know is that the Sallies art is making me feel things I've never felt before.

CURNOW wrote:Well he is a old man in termi armour and not a marine

That's not an excuse for why he looks like he's trying not to to gak his armour.

Crimson wrote:I don't understand why they messed Kor Phaeron design; he looked much better in the WD preview:



Every change they did was for the worse. Face, the claws and the details of the armour were all better in the preliminary version.

Completaly agree, the WIP head is awsome and I've already explained what the finished head looks like.



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Though I think the rest of the model is great.

Unpainted, I think he looks fine. Could just be the paint job.

I like the new armor/pose better, but that original head is great. Too bad.


...either way, I may need him for a terminator inquisitor.

 c0j1r0 wrote:

Unpainted, I think he looks fine. Could just be the paint job.

Nope, the WIP is still better.

Im not a fan of that WIP version of him, it just looks like a freddie Kruger in terminator armour to me.

I do like in the rear view that you can see how short he is compared to as Astartes. He's wearing armor within the Terminator armor and his feet are way above the Terminator's feet. It's like Centurion armor done right!

I wonder what his stats look like. I will be starting up a Word Bearers army to counter my Space Wolves Legion for sure.

I love the model far more than the WIP

It's just the face for me. Regardless of it resembling anything else, the first face is menacing and sneering - you can imagine him as a vindictive and embittered man, it just needed to be a touch smaller.

The head on the release model looks like one of the old gents at my grandad's monitored housing about to have a wee grump about his peas not being soft enough at dinner time.

he's an old old man on a regime of juvenent treatment. he should look sallow, old and crotchety.

IMO every other bare headed space marine is wrong. Since in literature they are described as being equine, bulbous and quite different to unmodified humans.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
he's an old old man on a regime of juvenent treatment. he should look sallow, old and crotchety.

IMO every other bare headed space marine is wrong. Since in literature they are described as being equine, bulbous and quite different to unmodified humans.

He's also quite possibly responsible for the whole Heresy, is a favoured devotee of the Chaos gods, and my mental image of him was always very close to the snarling and weathered face from the WiP, as opposed to the release model's face which looks like he's trying desperately to remember where he left his false teeth while trying not to piss himself.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
he's an old old man on a regime of juvenent treatment. he should look sallow, old and crotchety.

IMO every other bare headed space marine is wrong. Since in literature they are described as being equine, bulbous and quite different to unmodified humans.

He's also quite possibly responsible for the whole Heresy, is a favoured devotee of the Chaos gods, and my mental image of him was always very close to the snarling and weathered face from the WiP, as opposed to the release model's face which looks like he's trying desperately to remember where he left his false teeth while trying not to piss himself.

I think that's Erebus.....

Also i had a thunk and decided that Korvtdae's head for make a perfect replacement.

 Rayvon wrote:
Im not a fan of that WIP version of him, it just looks like a freddie Kruger in terminator armour to me.

How is that a bad thing?

On top of everything else, head swaps are possibly the easiest conversions to do, so...

Where is this WIP picture for comparison?

The WD pic is the WIP. Claws, chest piece, and head are some of the more obvious differences.

half way up this page (the WD page shot)

Have to say the final version is straight downgrade from the WIP.

From the face to the claws to the pose to the slightly angled shoulder pads, everything that was right with the WIP is wrong with the end result. Kinda weird.

I would have bough that WIP in an instant. This one? I can live without it.

Yeah, the WIP head is significantly better. I like the final claws though.

I think Erebus needs a top hat.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
he's an old old man on a regime of juvenent treatment. he should look sallow, old and crotchety.

IMO every other bare headed space marine is wrong. Since in literature they are described as being equine, bulbous and quite different to unmodified humans.

I don't recall that one. Source?

Besides, what are you considering canonical here? A novel? Fluff from WD and codices? Fluff from RT? Artwork? The figures that have been around longer than any of the rest?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
XV107 doesn't seem to have a shield generator, jet pack, or secondary weapons, so 3 of the 4 normal options for the normal nova reactor are out it would seem.

Unless it does somehow have a sheild.

I was hoping for an alternate head for Erebus:

 NELS1031 wrote:
I was hoping for an alternate head for Erebus:

Spoiler:

Horus rips his face off at the end of Fear to Tread. Can't remember if it healed in subsequent novels, though.

To answer that:

About Erebus: WIP model looks more like a generic marine than a novel character.

Gotta stand up for the final version. Much more interesting than the WIP. And he looks like a fanatic. The WIP could be anyone, the final is clearly a unique personality. Not having read the books, I don't really care if it is "right" for the fluff. And the claws are great.

While I prefer the WIP head, I feel that the completed model is much better overall.

 Moopy wrote:

 NELS1031 wrote:
I was hoping for an alternate head for Erebus:

Spoiler:

Horus rips his face off at the end of Fear to Tread. Can't remember if it healed in subsequent novels, though.

To answer that:

Spoiler:

In Vulkan Lives! his face is growing back more deamon like thanks to his dark pacts

I thought it was common for word bearers to cut the flesh off of their bodies and graft it on to each other. They would write scripture and pass it along.

Well, common for 40k, but it hasn't happened yet in 30k. Maybe this will be the start of it.

Any ideas on when the Riptide+ is getting released guys? I need another one but am holding off on the GW model in case it's released in the near future

On Friday 11th October we will be removing from sale the following Apocalypse Formation Bundles....

Hell Raker Assault Battery
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Fare thee well money saving Forgeworld deals. We hardly knew ye.


'tis the last of their kind we'll see in this world.

 Snrub wrote:
Fare thee well money saving Forgeworld deals. We hardly knew ye.


'tis the last of their kind we'll see in this world.

Considering th HH bundles are still available, not likely. I'd imagine they'll make these periodical, with new models getting longer-lasting bundles, I don't see the Castellax bundle on there, for instance.

When can we expect to see a lot of these models they showed at Gamesday? By the end of the year?

Deiyos wrote:
When can we expect to see a lot of these models they showed at Gamesday? By the end of the year?

More likely February or March.

Deiyos wrote:
When can we expect to see a lot of these models they showed at Gamesday? By the end of the year?

This comes from someone over at BoLS, but they seemed fairly confident...



I'm aware that that's still missing out on a lot, but at least some stuff is there. (And I'll admit, I sort of stopped at Night Raptors out xmas, did a little dance, and ignored most of the rest of the list.)

Gosh, I hope so, I want ALL THE IRON HANDS.

haha yea I specifically looking for when the World Eater Red Butchers will be released but it looks like I'll just have to wait and see

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Considering th HH bundles are still available, not likely. I'd imagine they'll make these periodical, with new models getting longer-lasting bundles, I don't see the Castellax bundle on there, for instance.

That's exactly what will happen. From the comments:

FW wrote:Not all the bundles are going, we are just removing some of the less popular one. There will in fact be some new bundles appearing soon.

 Crimson wrote:
I don't understand why they messed Kor Phaeron design; he looked much better in the WD preview:



Every change they did was for the worse. Face, the claws and the details of the armour were all better in the preliminary version.

Definitely agree the one in WD was better but still loving it, just wish I could get it on it's own!

I love the new Kor Modle over all then the WIP, I have to acrss the WIP had a better face. The design video kinda explains why they made the change thow, was to make his face look less astartes to match his background.

So since their are some people out their now have book two in their hands, is their any new Emperor's Children Characters? Julius Kaesoron has been one of my favourite characters from the HH books.

 Lockark wrote:
I love the new Kor Modle over all then the WIP, I have to acrss the WIP had a better face. The design video kinda explains why they made the change thow, was to make his face look less astartes to match his background.

So since their are some people out their now have book two in their hands, is their any new Emperor's Children Characters? Julius Kaesoron has been one of my favourite characters from the HH books.

You will be very happy then, as he is indeed in the new book.

 dreadnova wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I love the new Kor Modle over all then the WIP, I have to acrss the WIP had a better face. The design video kinda explains why they made the change thow, was to make his face look less astartes to match his background.

So since their are some people out their now have book two in their hands, is their any new Emperor's Children Characters? Julius Kaesoron has been one of my favourite characters from the HH books.

You will be very happy then, as he is indeed in the new book.

aw man, I can't wait for them to make a model for that Bacon Faced freak!
=D

What sort of Mechanicus stuff is in this new book?

from B+C

Mechanicum:
Castellax Robots
Atomantic Shielding
Cybernetica Cortex
Reactor Blast
Rage
Mauler Pattern Bolter Cannon (you'll like this)
S6 AP3 Heavy3, Pinning

The
whole Mechanicum section has a lot of special rules and wargear options
it looks a hell of a lot more expanded than the one in Betrayal.

The
Magos Dominus has some funky special rules to do with taking a
leadership test in the shooting phase and applying modifiers depending
what "power" you want to use, it even has a little "perils" table
Warlord Traits:
1. Master of Mechanisms
Select 1 MC, Vehicle Squadron with at least AV12+
They get It Will Not Die

2. Perfected Targetting
Pick any one heavy weapon in 6" (including in the warlord) it gets to be twin-linked this turn

3. Predictive Augury
Warlord and his unit hit on 5+ for overwatch

4. The Death of Flesh
Preferred Enemy (Infantry - All Types) within 3" of an objective for all units I the detatchment

5. Dread Rites
Causes Fear, immune to fear and Adamantium Will

6. Battlefield Analysis
-1 to a piece of terrain's cover save in the enemy employment zone


Myrmidons of different types and weaponry
Thallax from Betrayal book
Castellax
Magus Dominus
No idea on transports or anything above and beyond

From what i can hear the builds and buffs on offer are huge so you can focus on melee, firepower or a combination. I was waiting for the ad mech list to appear before building a heresy force and im glad i have. roll on the 18th when my book comes

Someone spotted something interesting elsewhere, in the new book.

On page 264, it states that Legio Cybernetica Battle Automata of any kind can be taken with "a Space Marine Crusade Legion army, Imperial army or Rogue Trader Militant Army"...

That seems like it could be interesting. Don't know too much about the whole Rogue Trader thing, but could that be an additional supplemental army like thing they release with the Legion lists?

Interesting. A rogue trader army list in the future? Havent seen anything like that since.... rogue trader. i wonder how they will compare.

Col. Dash wrote:
Interesting. A rogue trader army list in the future? Havent seen anything like that since.... rogue trader. i wonder how they will compare.

Unknown, but one thing is certain...

...they will be awesome!

More than even, I really want them to go a bit further back, and whip up a book or two on The Great Crusade, with lots of interesting Xenos to fight...

According to a FW newsflash, the HH book is now on preorder for all.

It shows the contents, and also has the list of updated (I think) bundles, which was probably the main point of the newsletter.

 Alpharius wrote:

Col. Dash wrote:
Interesting. A rogue trader army list in the future? Havent seen anything like that since.... rogue trader. i wonder how they will compare.

Unknown, but one thing is certain...

...they will be awesome!

More than even, I really want them to go a bit further back, and whip up a book or two on The Great Crusade, with lots of interesting Xenos to fight...

If they did a 2-3 book set that was just titled, "Ullanor" I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Verses wrote:
Rogue Trader Militant Army"...?

What, what , WHAT? Is this real? FW, stop making those stupid Primarchs and whatnot, and produce this Rogue Trader stuff NOW! I need this!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/TAU_XV107_R_VARNA_BATTLESUIT.html

Forgeworld released the XV107 R'Varna today along with some experimental rules for it.

The model is beautiful, but as a Tyranid Player, those guns scare me...a lot...especially considering it gets 2 and can potentially fire them both twice

Jesus, well those rules will sell that model....

Blimey that's an ugly paint job! I don't mean in the technical sense either, just garish as hell

Lovely model though, can't wait to see what people do with it. Tau have a great range, quite tempting to start them up, really.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Jesus, well those rules will sell that model....

Yeah that's just what I was thinking reading through them now, T7 2+/4++(5++ in combat), and in a slot that won't compete with riptides. That's without talking about the rest of it.

Extra Toughness, extra wound, better invul, and the ability to fire 4(on a 3+) St6 AP3 5" blasts that hit multiple times on big baddies.....All for 80pts over the standard model kids....

Is it me, or is it missing the Jet Pack rule...?

Wait, it's SUPPOSED to be less mobile. My bad.

any thoughts on the krieg bundles? i've still got 3 x infantry platoons to paint up and the 'add to basket' keeps seducing me to click her.

i'd prefer a choice on the tanks as well - the time i field 3 LRBTs is a long way away as i prefer thunderers but the choice of turrets would be a better option.

still, any discount is a bonus!

Where's the bundle at? I bought a squad yesterday and I need more, starting to feel like I made a booboo.

I noticed this on the newsletter:

Forge World Newsletter #367 wrote:Games Workshop Edinburgh: 25th Birthday Celebration
Forge World will be attending the 25th Birthday celebration at the Games Workshop Edinburgh store on Saturday 2nd November. If you would like to place a reservation order for this event, you have until midday on Monday 21st October. Click here to find out how to place a reservation order. We will be taking a limitied supply of stock but any orders placed at the event will receive free shipping.

How long have FW been attending these events. It may actually give people a reason to go to them (brings back memories of the Grand Openings where you got discounts and the queues went on down the street...)

The bundles are the top 7 here. Seems to be a 10ish% discount. Infantry platoon (the £263 one) is the only one with free shipping.

Etharin wrote:
The bundles are the top 7 here. Seems to be a 10ish% discount. Infantry platoon (the £263 one) is the only one with free shipping.

IIRC all orders get free shipping if you buy a total of £250 or more.

 Breotan wrote:

Etharin wrote:
The bundles are the top 7 here. Seems to be a 10ish% discount. Infantry platoon (the £263 one) is the only one with free shipping.

IIRC all orders get free shipping if you buy a total of £250 or more.

Yup, if you buy more than 250GBP it's free shipping for the order, this is how a lot of DCMs get their FW crack.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

Etharin wrote:
The bundles are the top 7 here. Seems to be a 10ish% discount. Infantry platoon (the £263 one) is the only one with free shipping.

IIRC all orders get free shipping if you buy a total of £250 or more.

Yup, if you buy more than 250GBP it's free shipping for the order, this is how a lot of DCMs get their FW crack.

Ah. Thought it was £300.

Death Korps Bundle? Saves ~$60? wah, I, sofhfda

*incoherent drooling sounds*

Between not paying shipping and the discount, I'd actually save money after customs and UPS fees.

I get this weird feeling that the AdMech list is going to get bigger and bigger with each book in this series; not that there's anything wrong with that.

And since the Tyranids haven't eaten them yet, we might even see Squats before it is all over!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I get this weird feeling that the AdMech list is going to get bigger and bigger with each book in this series; not that there's anything wrong with that.

Especially if you look the difference between the first and second lists.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/fire-raptor.pdf


Trial rules for the Fire-Raptor.


Dig the BA options, nice to see some variety.

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/fire-raptor.pdf


Trial rules for the Fire-Raptor.


Dig the BA options, nice to see some variety.

I almost thought every Power Armour army was going to get it, but not quite. Still, with the model itself looking pretty cool and the rules not too horrible (he says without knowing anything about whether or not they're good) I'll probably nab a couple when the time comes.

Will be interesting to see if the Keeper of the Relics rule will show up with other Heresy Era beasts.

strafing run ability and everything is twin linked :(

Anything not 3+ is in a world of hurt - like my frigging thallax :(

My only complaint is it doesn't have the missile launcher from the storm eagle. This is gunboat and that missile launcher would have fit in perfectly.

Is anyone able to tell me where to look for Hellstrike Missile rules? I own both HH books and I could've sworn I haven't seen anything about them, but I could be mistaken.

Verses wrote:
Is anyone able to tell me where to look for Hellstrike Missile rules? I own both HH books and I could've sworn I haven't seen anything about them, but I could be mistaken.

IG codex has them, as well as several other FW books with fliers that use them.

S8 AP3 Ordnance, no blast or anything.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I get this weird feeling that the AdMech list is going to get bigger and bigger with each book in this series; not that there's anything wrong with that.

Especially if you look the difference between the first and second lists.

That was the stated plan from gduk, a bit more ad mech in each book so that by the time they get to Mars they have a full ad mech list and can concentrate extensively on dark mech.

Just when I thought my four riptide 2k list was awesome and couldn't get any better....looks like i'll need to expand to 5 riptides. That thing is nasty!

 Blacksails wrote:
S8 AP3 Ordnance, no blast or anything.

IOW, utterly useless because they make everything else BS 1. The fact that FW keeps putting hellstrike missiles on stuff as if they're a relevant weapon (and even expecting you to pay points for the privilege of having them) is clear proof that none of their rule authors actually play the game.

They are probably thinking Flyers work like Super-heavy flyers which aren't affected by Ordnance penalties.

Also..
Compare to the Avenger Strike Fighter at 150 pts naked, which only has AV12 on the front, BS3 and has to pay a lot for the weapons. And only 2 HP and can't hover.

The FireRaptor is a pretty good deal for 220 points for the amount of firepower and the ability to fire at 3 targets.

Slapping Strafing Run onto stuff is also the new FW thing.. do we really need such high BS flyers?

 Peregrine wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
S8 AP3 Ordnance, no blast or anything.

IOW, utterly useless because they make everything else BS 1. The fact that FW keeps putting hellstrike missiles on stuff as if they're a relevant weapon (and even expecting you to pay points for the privilege of having them) is clear proof that none of their rule authors actually play the game.

Oh, absolutely. If they were the missiles on the SM stormraven (S8 AP2 no ordnance) it would be infinitely better. Maybe too good.

 Shandara wrote:
They are probably thinking Flyers work like Super-heavy flyers which aren't affected by Ordnance penalties.

My point exactly. They clearly don't play the game if they think it works that way.

I just realized it has PotMS, meaning the missiles can still be of limited use.

Actually, the more I put all the rules together, it can fire everything every turn, though only one missile.

Shoot single ordnance missile, then PotMS the Bolt cannon, and the rules for the independent turret side guns means they can always fire and don't count towards the total number of weapons fired, so long as the vehicle is eligible to fire anything, which it is. To boot, you can shoot at four different targets too; declare the missile at target A, then PotMS at target B with the bolt cannon, then shoot the turrets at targets C and D.

This thing keeps sounding better and better.

 Blacksails wrote:
IShoot single ordnance missile, then PotMS the Bolt cannon, and the rules for the independent turret side guns means they can always fire and don't count towards the total number of weapons fired, so long as the vehicle is eligible to fire anything, which it is.

The independent turret rule lets each turret fire separately and not count towards the weapon limit, but it doesn't say anything about firing at full BS. If you fire a hellstrike missile the independent turrets fire at BS 1. And it's arguable whether POTMS allows you to override the "snap shots only" rule. IMO it doesn't.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
IShoot single ordnance missile, then PotMS the Bolt cannon, and the rules for the independent turret side guns means they can always fire and don't count towards the total number of weapons fired, so long as the vehicle is eligible to fire anything, which it is.

The independent turret rule lets each turret fire separately and not count towards the weapon limit, but it doesn't say anything about firing at full BS. If you fire a hellstrike missile the independent turrets fire at BS 1.

Yeah, I'm starting to lean that way too. It was a nice thought though.

 Shandara wrote:
They are probably thinking Flyers work like Super-heavy flyers which aren't affected by Ordnance penalties.

Also..
Compare to the Avenger Strike Fighter at 150 pts naked, which only has AV12 on the front, BS3 and has to pay a lot for the weapons. And only 2 HP and can't hover.

Actually Avenger has 3 HP, check Fall of orpheus.

 smurfORnot wrote:
Actually Avenger has 3 HP, check Fall of orpheus.

That was a typo, it was accidentally swapped with the HP for the Thunderbolt. It's back to the expected 2 HP in IA3.

ashen circle dance troop are out to buy now folks!

i'm not overly impressed by the paint job on the new kakophoni - seems a little bland for EC to me

How has no one posted these Ashen Circle guys yet? Dakka I am disappoint

Serving alongside the Destroyers of the Word Bearers Legion, the Ashen Circle was a unique formation created for a unique purpose; the destruction of culture, learning and faith. These Space Marines were iconoclasts, charged beyond the battlefield with hunting down works of false doctrine and those who purveyed it, consigning both to destruction and eradicating flame.

The Word Bearers Legion Ashen Circle, designed by Steve Whitehead, contains five multi-part resin models. Each model is armed with a hand flamer and a vicious axe-rake, and comes equipped with jump packs. This set is available to pre-order now and will be despatched from Thursday 31st October.

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I love the whole concept of these guys, mostly because my mother is a librarian.

They look cool but they just have the most goofy stances

Wow, the detail on those guys is sick. I hate the Word Bearers but those guys look good.

The way the level of detail and quality is progressing, I am expecting nothing but pure awesome for the men from Nocturne.

They look quite nice but a bit too much like iron warriors.

No interest in Word Bearers but those guys are stunning, why do you keep doing this to me Forge World?

 Ouze wrote:

I love the whole concept of these guys, mostly because my mother is a librarian.

Her attempted filibuster against the the Affordable Nikea Act was a thing of beauty to behold.

Truly the Emperor is the greatest monster since Obama.

Or something.


Dig the visors especially, oddly I think these would possibly look better in the crimson colour scheme.

Is a lovely concept for a unit though.

... not that kind of librarian.

Hahahhahaahahah, the post ^^^


I would personally buy them just to do some kit bashing , though I dislike the helmets butsome of their legs are pretty dynamic. The goofy ones might come in handy for some jester marines or smthing.

Those are beautiful, and I think the Word Bearerers are dicks.

Reposition the arms and you have superhuman knee to the nuts , that's one way to get the emperors children's attention.

Or a captain falcon.

 Ouze wrote:
... not that kind of librarian.

Your mother has psychic powers? Does she know Divination? That power is totally OP!

If they weren't so WB specific i might've gotten some, but with amount of stuff I've yet to touch I can't justify something that would require such extensive work.

Still, underslung hand flamers are ing cool and like everyone else I think the detail is outstanding. I'd be curious to see them in their traitorous red and silver.

SickSix wrote:I am expecting nothing but pure awesome for the men from Nocturne.

I hope so... Good Lord I really hope so!

If this is the quality of the WB Pyroclasts (IIRC, the Ashen Circle are Pyroclasts - ie. Destroyers with flamers), then I can't wait to see how the Salamanders Pyroclasts are gonna look - pure awsomesauce I reckon

Got a note from FW saying that the next HH book has shipped. Anyone got theirs yet?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Got a note from FW saying that the next HH book has shipped. Anyone got theirs yet?

Yep got mine yesterday

What are the AdMech guys like? The Myrmidons?

Given the Word Bearers love for burning books, It's kind of perplexing that Magnus and Lorgar were friends.

I'm not a fan of those Ashen Circle guys. The Helmets just seem off. I think the Gorget is too large, and has too much going on. Perhaps it's the colour scheme...

So myrmidons come in two flavours:

Myrmidon secutors
-stern guard profile with +1bs,+1t,+1w and -2in.
-3+,5++ save
-power axe, frag and Krak grenades standard.
-must choose two ranged weapons and can fire both.
-choice of maxim Bolter, volkite charger, graviton gun, iras cleanser and phased plasma fusil.
-May buy same twice and don't twin-link.
-relentless and lumbering advance.
-squad is 3-10

Myrmidon destructors
-same profile as above
-power fist instead of power axe
-must choose one weapon from following list
-volkite culverin, photon thruster cannon, irradiation engine or conversion Beamer.
-relentless and lumbering
-preferred enemy everything
-unit size 3-10

Awesome, thank you. Looking forward to those.

The robots (or robot) that are in there. Lots of options (and maybe different types?) or just the single one they've released?

There are entries for the following

Hq
Magos dominus/archmagos
Elites
Engineer auxilla
Myrmidon secutors
Troops
Thallax cohort
Castellax battle automata
Tech thrall adsecullaris
Fast attack
Crusade fleet support wing(lightning/avenger/storm eagle)
Heavy support
Myrmidon destructors

Thallax look pretty much as before, castellax have a couple of weapon options.

"Tech thrall adsecullaris "

Ooooh!

They aren't that exciting basically a unit if poorly equipped 'mans' that can be made fearless for a flesh wall. Choice of either las locks, shotguns or heavy chain blades and can't be bought as the compulsory troop units.

i'm hoping they pull there fingers out soon on the special weapons so i can start sticking them together and painting the buggers (thallax x 12)

Was that additional options on the mauler pattern bolter on the castellax or just the hand mounted weapons?

im out of the country + the books been delivered home = broken morale badgermeister

Any castellax can swap out mauler for a multi melta or dark fire cannon. Bolsters can be swapped for flamers. Shock chargers may be upgraded to power blades or siege wrecker.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
They aren't that exciting basically a unit if poorly equipped 'mans' that can be made fearless for a flesh wall. Choice of either las locks, shotguns or heavy chain blades and can't be bought as the compulsory troop units.

And here I was thinking that they were those Servitor-looking things with the massive cannons from the Open day. Maybe they were the Destructors.

Shame about the name - Destructors. Not very inventive.

Yes the one arm and a big cannon guys where the destructors and the power axe two gun guys the secutors going by the equipment load outs.


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Personally tempted to have some augmented beast men with heavy chain glaives.

this means i'm going to have to wait to get my head in the book before putting the next purchase in now as i was going to get a castellax maniple with some DKOK stuff before i get home. As much as i like Str6 AP3 weaponry i want a fire raptor popping gun!

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Yes the one arm and a big cannon guys where the destructors and the power axe two gun guys the secutors going by the equipment load outs.

Ok cool.

Again, thanks for the info. Lots of fun new stuff to go with the Thallaxii units I got.

do the admech still get transport options or is it just the fliers listed already?

i'm assuming its the voss pattern lightning thats listed?

cheers in advance

Voss yes, transports no except for the storm eagle.

Now they need to make a admech list in one of the IA books.

Guess it's time for me to work out a 300 quid order soonish. Might be time to invoke the Christmas Spirits!

 Azazelx wrote:
Guess it's time for me to work out a 300 quid order soonish. Might be time to invoke the Christmas Spirits!

Yea, I'm there with you.

I want the book, now to figure out what else to buy to put it over $400 for free S&H.

It's not the going over $400 that's hard, it's the keeping it close to $400.

Seems a little strange that the thallaxii have lost two of their augments ... Destructor and Empyrite have gone bye-bye.

Also, choosing Icarian switches them to Heavy Support and Ferrox makes them Fast Attack.

I like that it gives you a non-named HQ option for an Ordo Reductor force, though. And mounting them on an Abeyant might be fun.

any options to gain the interceptor rule?

The moment Forgeworld releases a Sigismund figure is when my money and I part ways. I'm sure I could use a fourth Emperor's Champion for SOMETHING.

 Necroagogo wrote:
Seems a little strange that the thallaxii have lost two of their augments ... Destructor and Empyrite have gone bye-bye.

Also, choosing Icarian switches them to Heavy Support and Ferrox makes them Fast Attack.

I like that it gives you a non-named HQ option for an Ordo Reductor force, though. And mounting them on an Abeyant might be fun.

There not missing or gone, those thalax don't have those upgrades available as there not reductor thalax, they still got them if you use reductor from betrayal

 Azazelx wrote:
Guess it's time for me to work out a 300 quid order soonish. Might be time to invoke the Christmas Spirits!

Been working on mine for a day or two.

So far 6 zone mortalis tiles, the objective marker tank thing,, 5 breacher marines, 3 thallax, 5 Tartaros with power fists and of course the book!

 Necroagogo wrote:
Seems a little strange that the thallaxii have lost two of their augments ... Destructor and Empyrite have gone bye-bye.

Also, choosing Icarian switches them to Heavy Support and Ferrox makes them Fast Attack.

I like that it gives you a non-named HQ option for an Ordo Reductor force, though. And mounting them on an Abeyant might be fun.

Well, empyrite was a useless upgrade anyway- it allowed the thallaxii cohort to deepstrike, but thallaxii are jet pack infantry, which according to the BRB can deepstrike anyway, making empyrite a complete waste of points. that may be why they have removed it.

Haighus wrote:

 Necroagogo wrote:
Seems a little strange that the thallaxii have lost two of their augments ... Destructor and Empyrite have gone bye-bye.

Also, choosing Icarian switches them to Heavy Support and Ferrox makes them Fast Attack.

I like that it gives you a non-named HQ option for an Ordo Reductor force, though. And mounting them on an Abeyant might be fun.

Well, empyrite was a useless upgrade anyway- it allowed the thallaxii cohort to deepstrike, but thallaxii are jet pack infantry, which according to the BRB can deepstrike anyway, making empyrite a complete waste of points. that may be why they have removed it.

I emailed Forgeworld about Empyrite when Betrayal came out - the explanation was that it was designed to allow the units to deepstrike in Zone Mortalis games.

So yeah, pretty useless.

@Formosa: I get that the other options are still there for a Reductor list. Just seems potentially confusing that it's different for this book.

After reading some heresy novels, I'm hoping for Garro, Saul Tarvitz, Eiodon, The whole Mournival, and pre complete psychotic break Lucius and Kharn.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Guess it's time for me to work out a 300 quid order soonish. Might be time to invoke the Christmas Spirits!

Yea, I'm there with you.
I want the book, now to figure out what else to buy to put it over $400 for free S&H.
It's not the going over $400 that's hard, it's the keeping it close to $400.

For me, it'll be both HH books, and then.. well, Terminators, Cult Marines, ... it might be time to finally bite the bullet on another Greater Daemon, another contemptor (or two!), more DKOK, the new Jetbikes & Landspeeders, more superheavies, Ad Mech, Primarchs... yeah. You're bloody right, the hard part is keeping it down to $400. Looks like the Quadruple-priced Reaper Big Random Grab Bag of Bones KS will be a casualty of FW, and probably Mars Attacks as well.. Maybe I can get 2 FW orders in before Christmas that way.

I settled on the new book, a Sicaran for my IW, then Praetors, Champ/Signal, Command Set, Apoths, and some BA Etched Brass.

That put me at 250.50 for the free S&H and as close to the 250 as I could cut it for free post.

I'm trying real hard to refrain since the next book has the IW and I'll be forced to pick up many things for that army at that time.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The moment Forgeworld releases a Sigismund figure is when my money and I part ways. I'm sure I could use a fourth Emperor's Champion for SOMETHING.

Well I would think the head Emperors Champion(the one who would roll with Helbrect)would have Sigis armor and sword

 Eisenhorn wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The moment Forgeworld releases a Sigismund figure is when my money and I part ways. I'm sure I could use a fourth Emperor's Champion for SOMETHING.

Well I would think the head Emperors Champion(the one who would roll with Helbrect)would have Sigis armor and sword

That makes me wonder when the roll of the Emperors Champion came into place, after Sigismund's death or when he became High Marshal.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
So myrmidons come in two flavours:

Myrmidon secutors
~
Myrmidon destructors
~

Modeling wise from the name (and after reading the stats) my bet is these are going to be multi-limbed 4 arms maybe, all else fits with the name.

 Azazelx wrote:
Guess it's time for me to work out a 300 quid order soonish. Might be time to invoke the Christmas Spirits!

Jack Daniels, Smirnoff, jagermeister... They always make a large FW order easier.

 EmperorsChampion wrote:

 Eisenhorn wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The moment Forgeworld releases a Sigismund figure is when my money and I part ways. I'm sure I could use a fourth Emperor's Champion for SOMETHING.

Well I would think the head Emperors Champion(the one who would roll with Helbrect)would have Sigis armor and sword

That makes me wonder when the roll of the Emperors Champion came into place, after Sigismund's death or when he became High Marshal.

siege of terra, the emperor kinda asked him to paint his armor black (a fact which made him feel uncomfortable) at least according to the older fluff

is there much in the terms of fluff and colours for the ad mech units mentioned?

i'm going loyalist and would like a colour scheme that appears at the seige of terra ideally. my titan is in fire wasp colours too.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/C/Charcterupdate.pdf

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/F/FWchaptertactics.pdf

We have the Chapter Tactics and Space Marine Character updates available on our downloads page now.
I know many of you are still waiting for the Corsair list updates, we are still working on it but we don't have an eta for this at the moment.

O.o Red Scorpions have some awesome Chapter Tactics... Free FnP in all tactical squads?

Also some of those are generally awesome to begin with... I may have to look into making one or two of these chapters instead of my normal C:SM

Mantis Warriors are pretty sick. And their special librarian is crazy. Guard blob shrouded w/Divination and interceptor anyone? Normal Libbies with Divination is nice.

Lots of fun stuff in there. Loth being able to pick his powers is nasty too.

I may have to seriously re-consider the colors of this chapter I'm starting

You see the Exorcist HQ ?!



Captain Silas Alberec .

 reds8n wrote:
You see the Exorcist HQ ?!

Holy crap!
Str 10, Ap 2, wounds daemons and psykers on 2+, anything that survives goes at I1 next round, FnP for his squad against Chaos stuffs, re-roll 1 miss, deny the witch on force weapon activation, and anyone with Chapter Tactics(Executioners) may reroll failed deny the witch... I think I just wet myself...

I think he needs some more wounds and toughness though..

I like the Red Hunters tactic. For one turn, you can give squads who need it skyfire. Or not, if they don't have flyers.

Also, Inquisitors can FINALLY join other imperial units with the Red Hunters. FINALLY!

These are really cool chapter tactics.

As a Red Scorpions player, I am pleased. Even more so because the tactical squad apothecaries don't lose their wargear options like they did before. But no lookout sir for Culln? Ouch.

And Huron is awesome.

Fire Raptor is up for preorder

There is a newsletter that went out as well, but have not received it yet.
Fire Raptor looks really nice painted.

I've always been a fan of the Storm Raven (albeit mine are the stretched, CHS versions, but I love the mini Thinderhawk look it gives them, and always get compliments on my twins) and frankly this and the Storm Eagle give me a hobby boner.

I mentioned earlier, in another thread, about the mental shopping list all wargamers have and how the truly great models may sit there for years, but will eventually get bought, as their quality never fails to excite the person who wants it, this, the Storm Eagle and a T Hawk will be permanent fixtures in mine until the day they are bought, built and painted, love them!

Lugft Huron has AP2! Yes! Finally!

And quick question for all of you - if Armenneus Valthex gives a Sternguard squad his modified Hellfire rounds, can they still use (for example) vengeance rounds with the benefit of Poisoned (2+), considering that "their weapon profiles remain unchanged"?

Why would you give a Sternguard squad hellfire rounds? Give them to a tactical sqaud.....

Grarg wrote:
Why would you give a Sternguard squad hellfire rounds? Give them to a tactical sqaud.....

Rules argument with my friend a couple of hours ago...

...Although I do agree that they are much more effective on a tactical squad.

Magister Sevrin Loth is unbelievably overpowered. No need to roll for powers so he can take invisibility straight off the bat, decent combat statline, 2+ armour save which can be come a 2+ invulnerable save for expending one warp charge, fearless, counter attack and to top it off he only costs 10 points more than Tiggy.

Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Magister Sevrin Loth is unbelievably overpowered. No need to roll for powers so he can take invisibility straight off the bat, decent combat statline, 2+ armour save which can be come a 2+ invulnerable save for expending one warp charge, fearless, counter attack and to top it off he only costs 10 points more than Tiggy.

Here's the balance to him (I do agree he's got some oomph to him though):
1) Once he picks a discipline, he has to pick all of his powers from that discipline. So while you might want him to get Invisibility, he's not able to get Invisibility and something awesome from one of the other disciplines
2) His statline is on part with the current SM librarians aren't they?
3) He can only make it a 2+ invuln save during his player's turn, so you can't just pop it off at the start of your opponent's turn and watch that sweet 2++ save him during the turn
4) I think at the end of the day I'd rather have Tiggy in most cases, but Sevrin does have some power behind him.

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

Is that still the case with the new-ish digital codex release they just got a few days ago? The timing on the two might be related and I would hope that they'd be able to coordinate something like that within the same company.

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

Is that still the case with the new-ish digital codex release they just got a few days ago? The timing on the two might be related and I would hope that they'd be able to coordinate something like that within the same company.

The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues). The fact that they are referred to as "Sisters of Battle" instead of Adeptas Sororitas" also implies Forge World didn't know or think much on the new codex, too. Not that it really matters since even the 5th Edition old SoB codex didn't have inquisitors (and the last time they did have inquisitors, it was a different name for the codex)

TiamatRoar wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
Red Hunters may ally with Sisters of Battle on a Battle Brothers level if the Sisters detachment contains an inquisitor.

...............I could be wrong, but I don't believe SoB have had an inquisitor as a possible choice for their army since Witch Hunters long long ago, right?

Right.

Is that still the case with the new-ish digital codex release they just got a few days ago? The timing on the two might be related and I would hope that they'd be able to coordinate something like that within the same company.

The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues). The fact that they are referred to as "Sisters of Battle" instead of Adeptas Sororitas" also implies Forge World didn't know or think much on the new codex, too. Not that it really matters since even the 5th Edition old SoB codex didn't have inquisitors (and the last time they did have inquisitors, it was a different name for the codex)

Not to be disagreeable, but Forge World has had access to material early on in production. They could be looking ahead to the next book--or there could be a supplement for the Adepta Sororitas book coming or any number of possible scenarios.

TiamatRoar wrote:
The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues).

One, it removed Kyrinov.

Nope, Loth has 2++ until controlling players next turn.

So if your opponent goes first, he won't get it, for half a turn.

His Warlord trait would be good against Grey Knights/Eldar Psyker spam.

Quite a bit of messing with the Force Org chart.

Tyberos makes 1 squad of Lightning Claw Termies Troops.

Chaplain Dreadnought is Scoring if he is your HQ. Shame its a Howling Griffon (Ultramarine Chapter Tactics)

Captain Mordaci Braylock makes all Terminators Squads scoring, he is Novamarines (Ultramarine Chapter Tactics) So you run a half decent Ultramarines 1st Company.

Captain Zhurkhal Androcles allows Elite Devastators aswell as Heavy, the Star Phantoms chapter Tactics, is pretty nice when coupled with that.

The Fire Hawks Chapter Tactics, allow scoring Vanguard and Assault Marines and adds Hand Flamers to the Ranged Weapons list in the armoury.

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues).

One, it removed Kyrinov.

And Confessors.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Not to be disagreeable, but Forge World has had access to material early on in production. They could be looking ahead to the next book--or there could be a supplement for the Adepta Sororitas book coming or any number of possible scenarios.

Hooboy, here comes the rumours of the next SoB codex

TiamatRoar wrote:

 pretre wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
The latest codex has no new units for the Adeptas Sororitas. In fact, it actually removes some (people speculate it's due to model production issues).

One, it removed Kyrinov.

And Confessors.

Well, confessors only had one model and that was Kyrinov... but point taken.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Magister Sevrin Loth is unbelievably overpowered. No need to roll for powers so he can take invisibility straight off the bat, decent combat statline, 2+ armour save which can be come a 2+ invulnerable save for expending one warp charge, fearless, counter attack and to top it off he only costs 10 points more than Tiggy.

Let's not exaggerate too much here. The 2++ is one of the most overrated rules in the game. He doesn't give it to his squad, so you can kill everything else just fine with AP 2 weapons and then spam him to death with mass lasguns/bolters/etc. It's a decent upgrade to have, but he's hardly an unstoppable tank.

As for powers, he's worse than the codex psyker character there. So you're paying extra points and giving up effectiveness as a psyker for some modest combat improvements. That's not really anything to be afraid of.

-Shrike- wrote:
Lugft Huron has AP2! Yes! Finally!

QFT! With the new way power weapons work in 6th, that's a pretty big change.

And quick question for all of you - if Armenneus Valthex gives a Sternguard squad his modified Hellfire rounds, can they still use (for example) vengeance rounds with the benefit of Poisoned (2+), considering that "their weapon profiles remain unchanged"?

The way it's worded, I think that poisoned modifies the base profile and not to the special ammo (which replaces the weapon profile when used), so I think it would give them another option rather than stack. Nasty idea, though.

Well that's a pisser, Vaylund Cal has gone from being awesome to meh. He's still a combat monster, but they extended his restrictions so you can no longer take a Chapter Master OR a MotF with him. On top of that, he no longer grants army-wide Fearless, and instead of giving "appropriately modelled" Devastator Squads FnP(default, so 5+ not the 6+ you get from CT:IH) for nothing, now you still need to model them properly, and your reward is the option to pay 50pts to give them +1 toughness....woop-de-doo. Since you can turn any old IH Chapter Master into a combat monster now, he's pretty much pointless unless you wanted to take a Librarian or Chaplain anyway.

Also, going by RAW, you're not allowed to use any of the new FW Chapter Tactics to represent the Exorcists, since it explicitly states "of the player's choosing from Codex: Space Marines", so that's my Exorcists army invalidated then since I use Sevrin Loth's rules for my HQ.

So, thanks FW, my Exorcists are down the drain and my Iron Hands need a rewrite >:/

re: exorcists, I assume any sane opponent who's let you use servin loth before will let you use him now, assuming you're using the appropriate chapter rules too.

re: vaylund, yeah, that sucks- though I've never agreed with free upgrades for modelling, I do agree that that's a pretty pricey increase. For reference, though, how much does mark of nurgle cost by comparison?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Also, going by RAW, you're not allowed to use any of the new FW Chapter Tactics to represent the Exorcists, since it explicitly states "of the player's choosing from Codex: Space Marines", so that's my Exorcists army invalidated then since I use Sevrin Loth's rules for my HQ.

So just play Ex0rcists, a Red Scorpions successor chapter that uses their chapter tactics and HQ character. "Exorcists" has no rules meaning, it's just how you paint and fluff your army.

Edit: Ack, nevermind

So would these chapter tactics be legal for normal 40k play?

 l0k1 wrote:
So would these chapter tactics be legal for normal 40k play?

Yes.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Fire Raptor is up for preorder

There is a newsletter that went out as well, but have not received it yet.
Fire Raptor looks really nice painted.

I love that model so much. First they gave us a 40k A-10, now we also have a 40k AC-130.

Quick digression - if I get one, how would I paint it? it can't be in Blood Raven livery since they're not a first founding chapter, right? - and they would never offend the machine spirit of such a venerable craft by repainting it. For what I have I'd have to go with Ultramarines or Iron Warriors?


Sadly, "how to paint it" is almost always first and final roadblock for me in these kinds of projects. I still haven't worked on my warhound because of that.

Deathwatch colors.

What, like Black and Silver?

Yup. Black hull with silver flashes.

Don't you still have to have at least some indication of what chapter owns it on there somewhere, like one wing? I know very little about Deathwatch.

Deathwatch vehicles do not, as far as I'm aware. The vehicle crews themselves might retain icons.

HBMC is a better person to ask I think.

I will PM him. Deathwatch - that would look cool, and I've never done a black vehicle before. Thanks for the idea.

My order shipped.

*squeeeee*

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Magister Sevrin Loth is unbelievably overpowered. No need to roll for powers so he can take invisibility straight off the bat, decent combat statline, 2+ armour save which can be come a 2+ invulnerable save for expending one warp charge, fearless, counter attack and to top it off he only costs 10 points more than Tiggy.

Let's not exaggerate too much here. The 2++ is one of the most overrated rules in the game. He doesn't give it to his squad, so you can kill everything else just fine with AP 2 weapons and then spam him to death with mass lasguns/bolters/etc. It's a decent upgrade to have, but he's hardly an unstoppable tank.

As for powers, he's worse than the codex psyker character there. So you're paying extra points and giving up effectiveness as a psyker for some modest combat improvements. That's not really anything to be afraid of.

With Biomancy, he can be a great beatstick in close combat. But, like any close combat character, he has to get there, and he can't go in alone.

Besides, his previous rules gave him six powers from any one of the disciplines...

Tons of new character rules updates, but no 6e Korvydae? Are there still a sizable number of characters missing from being updated?

I think the Carcharadons have gotten some neat ones.

Army-wide fear, all tacticals may buy an additional CCW for +1pts and Rage if they destroy a unit of infantry in assult or cause it to fall back. Sure you have to move towards the closest enemy unit (that you can harm) but
it matters little, all shall be slain anyway.

Also, Tyberos still makes a unit of LC-termies troops with the added bonus of when Tyberios gains Rage, he and all other models (army-wide) affected by rage gets +1S.

Messes with allies though since they can only ally with imperial forces (as it should be, flithy xenos) and that those forces always count as desperate allies. wonderously fluffy

 ph34r wrote:
Tons of new character rules updates, but no 6e Korvydae?

This was pointed out on their facebook page and they said it was a mistake and they'd try to fix it soon.

I really want to do some minotaurs.

Like, really want to do some minotaurs. But I should probably at least finish my Tau before starting another army, especially when I already have a Marine army.

 Eisenhorn wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The moment Forgeworld releases a Sigismund figure is when my money and I part ways. I'm sure I could use a fourth Emperor's Champion for SOMETHING.

Well I would think the head Emperors Champion(the one who would roll with Helbrect)would have Sigis armor and sword

There's only ever one Emperor's Champion at a time now.

Going to MCM Comic Con in London tomorrow where Forgeworld just happen to have a stand...can I resist?

Get me some new AdMech stuff!!!

Since the Blood Ravens are almost certainly descended from the small Thousand Sons force dispatched from Prospero by Magnus before its destruction based on the prophesy of 'the lost sons and the raven of blood', I don't think a Fire Raptor should be a problem at all. The pre-heresy Thousand Sons wore red armour with gold trim and white insignia - certainly not a million miles away from Blood Raven colours - and the Corvydae psychic discipline symbol was a raven. I think you could justify painting it in modern Blood Raven livery.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Get me some new AdMech stuff!!!

Totally agree, mechanicum releases have been so slow. It's a new army, very frustrating with such a limited range.

Just taking a look at the character file - should the Chaplain Dreadnought have a single lascannon as an option, or should that be twin-linked?

Also, why would you everuse Mir'san's duellist train to reduce someone's Attacks by -1? They end up gaining an attack (by the basic rules of mathematics)...

That picture (painted Fire Raptor) is clawing at my wallet. That is the sexiest damn flier there is. I really really really want that. And my Silver Skulls are old enough to probably have a few.

Knockagh wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Get me some new AdMech stuff!!!

Totally agree, mechanicum releases have been so slow. It's a new army, very frustrating with such a limited range.

When all the HH stuff was first announced the FW designers were asked about AdMech... The jist of it is that every book would include a few AdMech units and that this slow build up is the only way to do enough to thoroughly represent them. The culmination being when they cover the battles on Mars. So if you think its slow, you have a couple years to wait.

I hope to see them get more in the way of unique vehicles.