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IMO the great crusade would emphesize more on other factions besides SM . Considering that the HH era has the same units as during the great crusade.

I would expect more orks, elder, SOB and IG but I have doubts about IG considering we alr have the imperial armor series.

 Senortaco wrote:
IMO the great crusade would emphesize more on other factions besides SM . Considering that the HH era has the same units as during the great crusade.

I would expect more orks, elder, SOB and IG but I have doubts about IG considering we alr have the imperial armor series.

SOB don't exist during the Great Crusade, they are post heresy. It would most likely focus on the alien forces in particular, so Eldar (of both stripes, currently reading Tales of Heresy, and dark eldar have made an appearance), orks, and possibly examples of isolated necron tomb worlds that have awoken early, or some of the Tyranid fleets which are rumoured to have arrived in the galaxy earlier (thinking of the origins of Catachan Devils and similar examples here). Also, they may introduce some new xenos forces, which would be awesome.

Also, on a side note, what armour pattern are those World Eater terminators wearing? It looks like a cross between Tartaros pattern and the 40k standard Indomitus pattern, really interesting. The torsos and power packs are more similar to Indomitus, and some of the models have knee pads and extra hip plates, like Indomitus pattern. However, the legs in general, and in particular the greaves (especially the solid greaves on the models without knee pads) and the armour pattern on the thighs is far more like Tartaros pattern. The shoulder pads seem to be WE unique pads, and look more like Cataphractii pattern, and I can't decide on the arms, because they have extra plates attached over the distinctive features of the 2 patterns on the arms. So yeah, I have no idea which of the 2 patterns they are equipped with It looks like a mixture to me, but i didn't think they were compatible.

On the subject of Unification Wars, someone asked at the second FW Seminar at Games Day if they were likely to produce any sets of Mark I armour. The answer was a pretty solid no, apart from the odd piece showing up in artificer/character armour.

Looky Likey wrote:

 Sirius42 wrote:
They are planning to get one version of all primarchs out before any alternates, so 3 years for the first version of all of them, also, the books Tony Cotrell said in the seminar that they had timelined up to 30 battles they could do books for, 3-6 is prospero, signus ( with dark angels thrown in), and Calth, by which point every legion except white scars will have had at least some love. After that there is talk of mars, and dark mechanicum, the plan being to put enough ad mech in the first six that when they get to dark mech there's already a well established starting point.


Prospero will definantly have custodes and sisters of silence, signus will obviously cover demons, Oh and Calth will include some imperial army.

30 books at 2 a year would be insane if they meant 1 battle per book, 14 years is a very long time to keep everybody's interest especially as they are beginning to wind up the BL HH books and I estimate we have 2 or 3 years left of those.

I would be shocked if we only had 3 years left of HH books. A lot of legions haven't even been really touched yet. My guess is it will take them 2-3 years just to complete the Siege of Terra. But who knows.

A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

xowainx wrote:
On the subject of Unification Wars, someone asked at the second FW Seminar at Games Day if they were likely to produce any sets of Mark I armour. The answer was a pretty solid no, apart from the odd piece showing up in artificer/character armour.

And I am pretty sure that once they run out of HH stuff to produce (yes, I am aware this will be a while!) they will undoubtedly change their minds, Space Marines just sell far too well!

On the subject of the FW previews, I love the basilisk thing, very good looking kit. Lorgar is pretty dull looking tbh but then I have not really been awestruck with any of the Primarchs yet (though Ferrus is pretty cool). Not that it is anything wrong with the sculpting I am just not a fan of the art that they drew their inspiration from.

Looking forward to seeing some Thousand Sons stuff as I am holding out buying heaps of models until their release comes around for fear of bringing the entire country, no, the continent into an economic collapse!

Please FW, just put them on the website to order. I have been a good boy.

xowainx wrote:
On the subject of Unification Wars, someone asked at the second FW Seminar at Games Day if they were likely to produce any sets of Mark I armour. The answer was a pretty solid no, apart from the odd piece showing up in artificer/character armour.

In all fairness up until a few months before the announced the HH line, they said that they wouldn't be do it.

I've been super hyped about all this cool HH stuff and chaos eventually getting some good old forgeworld love.

But I have to admit I find the Unification Wars kinda 'meh'. I know people complain that HH is just mariens vs. mariens, but atleast in the HH you still got Deamons, Eldar, and Orks yucking it up. Dureing the Unification Wars you don't even have thows guys. It's literately just humans in power armour fighting each other...

I like the idea of them doing books based on the fighting retreat that the tratiors made back into the eye of terror, and the re-emergence of the xenos threat.

@Lockark - It's not just 'Marine vs Marines' really. I can see why it would be a bit boring as it would just be Humans vs Humans, but this period is really the start of the whole Imperium. By bringing out a Unification range, FW can not only cover one aspect of 40K fluff, but they can also bring out a range of models that can easily be adapted for an IG or Imperial Army force. There would also be other models such as gene-enhanced humans (Geno-Five-Two-Chiliad) and Techno-Barbarians. It's a promising range, but so soon after the HH it may prove to be too similar.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
@Lockark - It's not just 'Marine vs Marines' really. I can see why it would be a bit boring as it would just be Humans vs Humans, but this period is really the start of the whole Imperium. By bringing out a Unification range, FW can not only cover one aspect of 40K fluff, but they can also bring out a range of models that can easily be adapted for an IG or Imperial Army force. There would also be other models such as gene-enhanced humans (Geno-Five-Two-Chiliad) and Techno-Barbarians. It's a promising range, but so soon after the HH it may prove to be too similar.

The unification era would probably be released along other bigger "projects" . More to ensure they cover that part of SM fluff then to really make a sale

Honestly if they did the Great Crusade we might get dare I say Hrud? or even those that should not be named? or other Xenos??

I have kind of dropped of with mainstream GW (unless they decide to do Sisters or those small bearded ones)

I bought Erebus the weekend at GD. He is a stunning figure

Will be interesting to see how big Thunderwarriors will be in comparison to regular Astartes.

 BrookM wrote:
Will be interesting to see how big Thunderwarriors will be in comparison to regular Astartes.

Not a fan of that BL direction, hopefully FW would just go with the older version i.e. just early Marines in thunder armour.

Legion... the Legion calls to me! Wanting Iron Hands gubbinz so badly!!

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

Last year at games day UK in the BL seminar they said they were barely half way through, it could change of course but if anything, they will drag it out longer I'm sure.

 Rayvon wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

Last year at games day UK in the BL seminar they said they were barely half way through, it could change of course but if anything, they will drag it out longer I'm sure.

And thats what bothers me FW is now just HH world with a few extra bit. Please if your listening Mr FW please do Xenos like Hrud, I'm just waiting for new Xenos

I think it is safe to say that they will get to Xenos. Personally I want to see the Interex. But there are a lot of different options out there.

yukihyou wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
A while back in the BL thread they said the were only halfway through thestoryline. This was at 25 books. I think it's safe to say we have a few years yet.

Pretty sure they're talking about Forge World's HH series, not BL's. Although admittingly, I doubt Forge World will end their HH series before BL does so I suppose there is probably some correlation.

Last year at games day UK in the BL seminar they said they were barely half way through, it could change of course but if anything, they will drag it out longer I'm sure.

And thats what bothers me FW is now just HH world with a few extra bit. Please if your listening Mr FW please do Xenos like Hrud, I'm just waiting for new Xenos

Aye as much as I love the HH and marines I would kill for some Hrud and new Xenos races.
I think they will get on that bandwagon too eventually because by the time the HH is up people will be crying out for this stuff almost as much as they were for HH stuff before they started making it.

Yodhrin wrote:
Oh fer...could they not even resist retconning which hand they replace with bionics? It's the left hand they replace with a bionic implant because the chapter symbol is a left handed gauntlet design.

Continued lack of quality control within the GW stables.......or they just don't give a stuff.

This may be a little late for the party, but I think that is a post-Heresy convention for the Iron Hands. Not sure though. Supposedly Ferrus Manus was against the increasing of bionics for the Legion, not in support of.

brettz123 wrote:

Looky Likey wrote:
Prospero will definantly have custodes and sisters of silence, signus will obviously cover demons, Oh and Calth will include some imperial army.

30 books at 2 a year would be insane if they meant 1 battle per book, 14 years is a very long time to keep everybody's interest especially as they are beginning to wind up the BL HH books and I estimate we have 2 or 3 years left of those.

I would be shocked if we only had 3 years left of HH books. A lot of legions haven't even been really touched yet. My guess is it will take them 2-3 years just to complete the Siege of Terra. But who knows.

 Slinky wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Will be interesting to see how big Thunderwarriors will be in comparison to regular Astartes.

Not a fan of that BL direction, hopefully FW would just go with the older version i.e. just early Marines in thunder armour.

In Book One: Betrayal i am pretty sure they're described as pretty dang Monstrous. Although i am not sure they are directly given a Height, i believe they are described multiple times as Hulking, gigantic and/or other synonyms. The chapter about the Warhounds/Worldeaters has a passage about them.

EDIT: Although Thunder Warriors are the top of my list, some Xenos would be nice, it would be neat to see those Giant Orks that nearly killed the Emperor.

Doesn't 1 thunderwarrior beat the crap out of a load of marines in the outcast dead?

I personally have no interest in Thunderwarriors or the Unification Wars.

I would love to see the Scouring and mainly the Second founding covered.

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Doesn't 1 thunderwarrior beat the crap out of a load of marines in the outcast dead?

That would make sense, Each Thunder Warrior 'Hulking Carcass' has '3 or 4 times his number in Legiones Astartes dead' around him.

 Perkustin wrote:

 PredaKhaine wrote:
Doesn't 1 thunderwarrior beat the crap out of a load of marines in the outcast dead?

That would make sense, Each Thunder Warrior 'Hulking Carcass' has '3 or 4 times his number in Legiones Astartes dead' around him.

Shhhhh, some of us are trying to forget that book exists

Sadly, it happened, because if we're going to have to swallow bad chronology from McNeill, we can also take that little thing.

I was quoting FW Horus Heresy Book One: Betrayal. I haven't read the heresy series of books, i prefer the more 'grounded' militaristic fiction presented in the FW prose.

I personally like the Thunder Warrior's new guise as Giant Frakenstein's Monsters. I think those goofy looking Top Knot guys with the sunglasses should really stay in the past.

 Perkustin wrote:


I personally like the Thunder Warrior's new guise as Giant Frakenstein's Monsters. I think those goofy looking Top Knot guys with the sunglasses should really stay in the past.

No worries there, as I'm pretty sure that's the case now!