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Very quick question

I got my hands on a Be'Lakor from warhammer and I intend to use him as Chaos Space Marine Deamon Prince. However I got this huge square thing as his base. Can I use this base? Or must I switch to the rounder ones? What bases do the boxed chaos marine deamon princes come with?

Thanks

The GW Daemon Prince comes w/ only a round base...I think it's the 40mm which is a bit small IMO. It works though.

Normal Daemon Princes come on a 40mm/Terminator base. Many people find that the 60mm/Dreadnought base is preferable, though.

Again, you are not allowed to choose preferable but are to use the base they are supplied with according to the rulebook.

Normal CSM DP is supplied with the 40mm base, while the same " Statwise" model, Nurgle DP is sold with the 60mm base. You can then use the one you prefer.

SkizO wrote:Normal CSM DP is supplied with the 40mm base, while the same " Statwise" model, Nurgle DP is sold with the 60mm base. You can then use the one you prefer.

My Nurgle DP was supplied with a 40mm base, just like the normal CSM DP.

Both my Daemon princes (Normal and Nurgle) were supplied with 40mm bases.



GMort.

I'm using a 50mm privateer press base for my demon princes. Go ahead call me on it. It looks size appropiate.

They are supplied with the 40mm base but it is in my opinion too small for the model. I have both my DPs on 60mm bases and nobody has complained so far.

You can use either base size you like. However, "as mounting your models on different sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the game that your opponent does not mind this."

Modelling based on preference/aesthetics = Cool

Modelling for gaming advantage = Lame

Is there really any way to generate a benefit from using a different sized base?

If one is measuring movement, taken from the front of the base at all times, it is not going to be affected by the size of the base. I could be wrong but related to movement I can think of no 'benefit' a larger base would give over a smaller base or vice versa.

The same goes for shooting afaik, since it's measured from the edge of the base at all times. A player isn't magically getting an extra 10mm of range unless the base was changed from a 40mm to 60mm base during the game.

So unless there is really something I've missed w/ larger bases giving a player an advantage, I personally think worrying about this is ludicrous. The real issue is consistancy both in modeling and while playing in relation to base sizes.

utan wrote:You can use either base size you like. However, "as mounting your models on different sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the game that your opponent does not mind this."

Modelling based on preference/aesthetics = Cool

Modelling for gaming advantage = Lame

See, I never understand this whole approach as to why base sizes aren't explicitly per model in each codex and it would be against the rules to use a different size. I am a fairly lenient player and I don't play tournies, but if I played a tournie I would expect everything to be base appropriate. If it wasn't it wouldn't be OK with me and I would insist you either rebase that particular model or unit or it isn't coming on the table. A tournie should play by the rules, someone shouldn't be able to say "hey, this unit hasn't followed the rules but do you mind if I use it anyway" and try and guilt the opponent into allow it.

The whole terminator base thing is stupid. They should all be on the new base size for tournies and if you don't like it and don't want to rebase your metal ones don't play with them. Sometimes I think we make things too complicated, or GW does.

For DP in particular, the base size matters for deep strike. 40mm bases, eh? I thought they were 60mm for sure.

The only models I've size be an issue with are large numbered units that have a 60mm base (which is a relatively a new phenomenon) and the Nightbringer, since it has a radial close-combat attack that uses a centered large blast template (thus handi-caps itself if mounted on a 60mm base)

I say make 60mm the 'standard' for monstrous-creatures
this base-it-comes-with is nonsense
there should be a 'size' stat. swarm/small/large/f-n huge
(if it was truly held up as a solid rule I'd have to mount my screamer-killers on 40mm squares along with my dreadnoughts)

fullheadofhair:
The whole terminator base thing is stupid. They should all be on the new base size for tournies and if you don't like it and don't want to rebase your metal ones don't play with them. Sometimes I think we make things too complicated, or GW does

or make 40mm plasti-card tournament discs that you can temporally blue-tack your old terminators on so you don't have to make them unplayable in Space Hulk

Kallbrand wrote:Again, you are not allowed to choose preferable but are to use the base they are supplied with according to the rulebook.

Again what? I got a gaming piece that is not used in the game of 40k but in Warhammer Fantasy instead. Fantasy models are supplied with square bases. In 40k all models are supplied with round bases. Do you see the problem?

I am not trying to cheat or anything I'm just asking what would according to rules be the best base to put it on.

Belphegor wrote:

fullheadofhair:
The whole terminator base thing is stupid. They should all be on the new base size for tournies and if you don't like it and don't want to rebase your metal ones don't play with them. Sometimes I think we make things too complicated, or GW does

or make 40mm plasti-card tournament discs that you can temporally blue-tack your old terminators on so you don't have to make them unplayable in Space Hulk

Perfectly acceptable and sensible solution.

Papadoc wrote:

Kallbrand wrote:Again, you are not allowed to choose preferable but are to use the base they are supplied with according to the rulebook.

Again what? I got a gaming piece that is not used in the game of 40k but in Warhammer Fantasy instead. Fantasy models are supplied with square bases. In 40k all models are supplied with round bases. Do you see the problem?

I am not trying to cheat or anything I'm just asking what would according to rules be the best base to put it on.

Papadoc,
Don't take that personally. The thread has sorta been hijacked along the discussion of base sizes in general and what is appropriate for use in-game. You would want a round base and if the model is about the same size as the CSM DP I'd say take a 60mm base as 40mm may be too small. Since you're doing a conversion and there is no round base provided, you have some choice in the matter.

Rymafyr wrote:

Papadoc wrote:

Kallbrand wrote:Again, you are not allowed to choose preferable but are to use the base they are supplied with according to the rulebook.

Again what? I got a gaming piece that is not used in the game of 40k but in Warhammer Fantasy instead. Fantasy models are supplied with square bases. In 40k all models are supplied with round bases. Do you see the problem?

I am not trying to cheat or anything I'm just asking what would according to rules be the best base to put it on.

Papadoc,
Don't take that personally. The thread has sorta been hijacked along the discussion of base sizes in general and what is appropriate for use in-game. You would want a round base and if the model is about the same size as the CSM DP I'd say take a 60mm base as 40mm may be too small. Since you're doing a conversion and there is no round base provided, you have some choice in the matter.

I disagree. If a standard DP model comes with a 40mm base then a conversion should be placed on a 40mm base as it is used to represent a DP.

I would say the 60mm base for a DP. It seems most other monstous creatures come on this base (hive tyrants, 'fexs, & greater daemons).

utan wrote:You can use either base size you like. However, "as mounting your models on different sized bases might affect the way they interact with the rules, make sure before the game that your opponent does not mind this."

It's really not any more complicated than that...

Most in game troubles could have been avoided if they were talked about before the game. Come on people, use your divination skills and get with it.

I wouldnt mind DP on bigger bases just nothing smaller than the base supplied much like the old 4th edition rules for bases.

i didnt think this was an issue at all. lol. technically it SHOULD be on a 40mm base cuz thats what it was supplied with. but imo, 60mm bases just look better for the DP and a 40mm is just as good to.

Hi guys. Can we stop telling him to put it on a 60mm base because that's where we think it should be because of other MCs or whatever? The daemon prince comes with the 40mm (terminator) base. The rule is they go on the size base they come with. So daemon prince's go on 40mm bases. Yes some nurgle DPs come with 60mm, but plenty come with 40mm. If he was making a nurgle dp there would be some argument to have there, but he isn't and the regular old dp only comes on 40mm. There, case closed.

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:Hi guys. Can we stop telling him to put it on a 60mm base because that's where we think it should be because of other MCs or whatever? The daemon prince comes with the 40mm (terminator) base. The rule is they go on the size base they come with. So daemon prince's go on 40mm bases. Yes some nurgle DPs come with 60mm, but plenty come with 40mm. If he was making a nurgle dp there would be some argument to have there, but he isn't and the regular old dp only comes on 40mm. There, case closed.

QFT

By the strictest read of the rules, it should be on a 40mm. That said, 60mm looks good, gives more room for scenic modeling, and has almost no rules advantages associated with it, so you are extremely unlikely to get complaints about it.

Drudge Dreadnought wrote:Hi guys. Can we stop telling him to put it on a 60mm base because that's where we think it should be because of other MCs or whatever? The daemon prince comes with the 40mm (terminator) base. The rule is they go on the size base they come with. So daemon prince's go on 40mm bases. Yes some nurgle DPs come with 60mm, but plenty come with 40mm. If he was making a nurgle dp there would be some argument to have there, but he isn't and the regular old dp only comes on 40mm. There, case closed.

He's making a conversion from a Fantasy model to be used as a DP. If you want to be literal, then the model should be mounted on the square base it came with.

Mannahnin wrote:By the strictest read of the rules, it should be on a 40mm. That said, 60mm looks good, gives more room for scenic modeling, and has almost no rules advantages associated with it, so you are extremely unlikely to get complaints about it.

By the strictest reading of the rules, it has to be mounted on a 40mm Square.

YMTC: 40mm circle. Unless demon princes have a square base they come with also (my demon troops had both).

Real world: its not going to matter oustide a major tourney. It won't matter there 99% of the time. If someone objects (remember this is one model deepstriking, not a unit, its actually disadvantageous on a deepstrike) bring a 40mm base with you with "ooh scary demon prince" painted on it.

One thing to remember with larger bases is that they do reduce the number of hits from blast weapons(put the 3" blast over a 40 mm base and then over a 60 mm base and see what I mean). I use larger bases (60 mm on DPs, 40 mm on allmost all characters) but I also give my opponent an extra hit or three when it looks like he may have hit more models but my larger base size prevented them from doing so. It doesnt come up that often, almost never in friendly games and very little (with no objection from TO's) in any of the local tournaments, RTs and the like that I have participated in.

If an opponent objected to my larger bases I would make an agreeable concession (such as using a 1" coherency for that model to make up for the larger base and extra hits from template weapons when models are in base to base. But no one has ever felt that it changed the game in any significant way and asked for anythign like that. I have volunteered it a few times over the course of several years.

But, technically the original base size is the only legal one without your opponents permission.

Meph