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Marneus Calgar
Captain Lysander
6x assault terminator squad w. thunder hammers & storm shields
Landraider Crusader piloted by Chronus

10x Scouts split into 2 combat squads:
5x Scouts (incl. Telion) w. sniper rifles & heavy bolter (hellfire rounds)
5x Scouts w. combat blades & bolt pistols
Landspeeder Storm

10x tactical Marines w. las/plas &
This is the core.power fist - rhino

This is the core.

Gj

So, is this a Pants Build or a Power build?

I think you misunderstand what a power build is. A Power build is an armylist designed to be competitive to the exclusion of fluff and (arguably) sportsmanship. This is just a easily defeatable list containing a few powerful characters.

I play tested it last night against Lash spam and won big. I will be play testing it this weekend against nob bikers.

G

Can 6 termies and lysander fit into a LR? Yes, yes they can. that one neways..

1500 pts youve got a narly tank, 5 scoring units (2 are mobile) with 1 strong (very strong with both IC's?) assualt unit thats fairly small.

What kinda synergies are you going for GBF?

Taking Chronus with your tank seems interesting. You have to kill him and the tank to get a KP right.

I believe you do have to kill Chronus to get the KP for the tank.

The tank carries Marneus, Lysander and 6 assault termies. They will always break on the ork turn of close combat for the charge bonus the next turn.

This list is designed to smash nob bikers and LASH SPAM.

: )

G

Green Blow Fly wrote:I believe you do have to kill Chronus to get the KP for the tank.

The tank carries Marneus, Lysander and 6 assault termies. They will always break on the ork turn of close combat for the charge bonus the next turn.

This list is designed to smash nob bikers and LASH SPAM.

: )

G

I can see how it would hurt the nobz... but how does it hurt lash? Can't your scoring units that aren't buttoned up just belashed and shot to death by oblits?

Wouldn't the best way to deal with lash to either negate the lash itself with an INQ lord for the better hood or have everything mech?

ender502

Green Blow Fly wrote:I believe you do have to kill Chronus to get the KP for the tank.

The tank carries Marneus, Lysander and 6 assault termies. They will always break on the ork turn of close combat for the charge bonus the next turn.

This list is designed to smash nob bikers and LASH SPAM.

: )

G

they cant break. calgar doesnt give chapter tactics, so your army will always have stubbon instead. your assault terminators dont have any bolters, so bolter drill from lysander is wasted. really there is no reason to have lysander in this list.

like i said in the Army Lists thread, i think youre trying to have us all on.

I'm assuming Lysander is only there to give a +1 cover save to the sniper scouts?

Wouldn't Sicarius giving everyone LD10 and infiltrate to your tac squad be a better deal?

1) You'd be all Ultras
2) Your squads would all be LD10
3) Your Tac squad could outflank/infiltrate with all your scouts depending on the mission.

"they cant break. calgar doesnt give chapter tactics, so your army will always have stubbon instead. your assault terminators dont have any bolters, so bolter drill from lysander is wasted. really there is no reason to have lysander in this list."

Have to call BS on this one.

G

I think the reason Lysander is there is the 4 wounds, 2+/3++, and eternal warrior.

Might be too much of a points sink but have you thought of instead of using 6 assault terminators usinging 6 grey knight terminators? That way you give the brother captain a psychic hood and Lysander gives those terminators some use rerolls with the bolter drill.

Green Blow Fly wrote:"they cant break. calgar doesnt give chapter tactics, so your army will always have stubbon instead. your assault terminators dont have any bolters, so bolter drill from lysander is wasted. really there is no reason to have lysander in this list."

Have to call BS on this one.

G

Seems pretty straightforward really. You've include Lysander so all units must exchange combat tactics for the stubborn USR. Marneus Calgar allows any unit with combat tactics to choose to pass or fail.

God of War != Chapter Tactics

What part is BS?

Otherwise this list is designed to handle other powerbuilds how? By putting terminators in a landraider? Surely someone else has thought of that before...

You know whats funny?

Seeing this list get the initiative stolen from it against a shooty list with enough ranged anti-tank to pop 2 rhino's the first turn and a single LR on the second.

You know whats funnier than that?

Seeing that same shooty army pop the two rhinos, watching the LR attempt to go over the wreckage and immobilising itself.

Now thats comedy.

I have to agree, this list is pretty bad...even if it can fight lash and biker nobs (which I doubt) It'll die against any Tau with 3 railheads and some suits, you're prolly safe though, cause you never see any of those units.

Additionally, why would Chronus prevent a tank from yielding it's KPs? Chronus is a unit, the tank is a unit. They would be worth 2 KPs unless something states otherwise.

Moz wrote:Additionally, why would Chronus prevent a tank from yielding it's KPs? Chronus is a unit, the tank is a unit. They would be worth 2 KPs unless something states otherwise.

Here's an award for being the closest to correct.

One internet.

*ding*


Chronus is bought as an upgrade for the tank. If the tank is popped and Chronus dies with it, you get 1 KP (he's still counted as an upgrade at that point).
If you pop the tank and he lives, thus becoming a unit of his own, and you kill him.... Two KP.

Eric

"You've include Lysander so all units must exchange combat tactics for the stubborn USR"

I will check the book tonite.

G

This army did great last nite versus a veteran Lash player.

G

If we're going to crush Lash, why not trade Calgar/Lysander for Ironclads? Hide Ironclads behind the crusader (can still contain assault terms), shoot 1 DP to death, assault other DP with assault terms, and your 'Clads are largely immune to all other squads while still being immune to lash spam.

Versus bikers, same thing, only you've got I4 S10 squashing I1 S8/9.

This list suffices, but seems like it could work at least equally well while being immune to small arms and any Strength value below 7.

GBF probably be good to include a small tactica on how it generally runs to help with the haters.

Hi Lemartes

I will post the batrep versus lash spam this evening.

G

ender502 wrote:
I can see how it would hurt the nobz... but how does it hurt lash? Can't your scoring units that aren't buttoned up just belashed and shot to death by oblits?

Wouldn't the best way to deal with lash to either negate the lash itself with an INQ lord for the better hood or have everything mech?

ender502

Nevermind, I get it now. I forgot about cover saves. a 4+ becomes a 3+ becomes a 2+.

And then mech.

Let us know how the storm does BTW.

ender502

Moz wrote:Additionally, why would Chronus prevent a tank from yielding it's KPs? Chronus is a unit, the tank is a unit. They would be worth 2 KPs unless something states otherwise.

Chronus is bought as an upgrade to the tank. The tank gets destroyed, he pops out and can run around....and the tank is still considered "alive". Thus, no KP until Chronus dies. He is not an independant character, nor does he count as a separate unit.

Enough relic blade, rending claw attacks, fusion gun blasts will overwhelm those terminators and make them roll 2's for the invuln. Hell, enough Dire Avenger bladestorm shots coupled with Doom will take them out.

The rest of the army is SM soft.

Telion and heavy weapons in a SM scout squad are a waste. I've found scouts work best using their cloaks and preying no CC or flamer units get over to them.

Don't get me wrong, I like the list, it's just not a beat all comers list.

nidZilla would own this list.

KeithGatchalian wrote:

Moz wrote:Additionally, why would Chronus prevent a tank from yielding it's KPs? Chronus is a unit, the tank is a unit. They would be worth 2 KPs unless something states otherwise.

Chronus is bought as an upgrade to the tank. The tank gets destroyed, he pops out and can run around....and the tank is still considered "alive". Thus, no KP until Chronus dies. He is not an independant character, nor does he count as a separate unit.

That's a fun interpretation, but I don't see what you're basing it on. Tau gun drone upgrades to vehicles would love to hear it.

I'll start a thread in YMDC and we can talk about it without derailing this.

Lysander takes away combat tactics making GoW useless.

Why not take Cassius instead for re-rolls on the charge with the assault termies?

(And then you'd have nearly all the the UM special characters in one force - very cool- just don't get them all killed or UM's will be ed)

Moz wrote:

KeithGatchalian wrote:

Moz wrote:Additionally, why would Chronus prevent a tank from yielding it's KPs? Chronus is a unit, the tank is a unit. They would be worth 2 KPs unless something states otherwise.

Chronus is bought as an upgrade to the tank. The tank gets destroyed, he pops out and can run around....and the tank is still considered "alive". Thus, no KP until Chronus dies. He is not an independant character, nor does he count as a separate unit.

That's a fun interpretation, but I don't see what you're basing it on. Tau gun drone upgrades to vehicles would love to hear it.

I'll start a thread in YMDC and we can talk about it without derailing this.

pwn

Cato & any kind of libarian w/ null zone. Possibly some form of 1+ A banner of som discription (from non-hq slot using unit)

A big-ass close combat squad (Possibly assualt termies w/ a episomthing libarian with nullzone & gate) + IRONCLADS.

Next time you are in the sin shine state stop by so I can roll u.

: )

G

Deadshane1 wrote:You know whats funny?

Seeing this list get the initiative stolen from it against a shooty list with enough ranged anti-tank to pop 2 rhino's the first turn and a single LR on the second.

You know whats funnier than that?

Seeing that same shooty army pop the two rhinos, watching the LR attempt to go over the wreckage and immobilising itself.

Now thats comedy.

I have to agree, this list is pretty bad...even if it can fight lash and biker nobs (which I doubt) It'll die against any Tau with 3 railheads and some suits, you're prolly safe though, cause you never see any of those units.