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(Plant tongue firmly in cheek and begin...)

Having just read through some of the comments that came out of GD Spain in the news section, it seems GW are finally leaving behind even the pretense that anything that isn't a Spase Marien deserves no support.

No Dark Eldar, Inquisition, Chaos (Legions or LatD) and Tau for the forseeable future.

Nids and Necrons to get updates but only when they can be fitted in between 4 new marine dexes.

So is it about time that GW should just grow a pair and say 'feth you gamers'?

Doing a 'Squat' on Dark Eldar and Inquisition would end the interminable rumours and dashed hopes and free up shelf space and factory resources.

Remember, in the grim darkness of the far future there is only SPASE MARIENZ!!!

/s

Yet another reason why I am starting to buy privateer press stuff,lol.

But really I was very sad when I heard this as well,I really,really fething dislike the marines.I think if they did grow a pair it would be better as they can crush my hopes forever not just every two months or so.

My only comfort would be if Jarvis wrote one on the codexs'lol.

I hope you die for this thread.

But other than that, YEAH I AGREE! SPESS MAHREENZ!!!

Well maybe the Dark Eldar are now getting to be like a blind,old sheep dog.Maybe GW should just take em out back and blow them away with a shotgun.(but I will then blow GW away with a mini gun.)

If this does happen then I wonder how GW will kill them off.

GW can carry on as now, simply not issuing any new codex or models for DE.

Eventually even the hardcore will stop playing them.

I think that, if anything, Dark Eldar would get folded into the normal Eldar list in some fashion during its next update. While it's not the fluffiest, they might just convert DE into "corsair" style Eldar, so they'll at least be reasonable to see alongside other Eldar forces.

As it stands it's almost possible to field a decently representative DE force using the Eldar codex.

They probably should 'squat' the DE and do something different. They need a major overhaul both rules-wise and fluff-wise to be worthwhile so why not do something entirely new?

The problem with GW is they didn't know what they wanted to be. Hence, the massive Codex expansion in 3E, followed by the "oh, crap" revelation in 4E.

It seems like GW has a clue now, so maybe things will be better.

If DE get squatted, that wouldn't be the worst thing, provided those development resources went somewhere (anywhere) besides more Space Marines: LatD / AdMech / Nids / Necrons, I don't care.

The problem with Gw is that each of us, everyone thinks we could do it better, and given the typical comment, I'd disagree with that assessment. Not only could most of us do no better, but I'd venture to say we'd, most of us, do a an even worse job..

That's the problem as I see it.. Too many knucklehead, tongue waggers with no clue trying to tell someone else what to do..

That's like that 16 year old who walks up to a professional basketball player (like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Labron James, Dwight Howard, and telling them, you know what, if you did this like this, you'd be a better player.. perhaps they just might be right, but either of those 4 are doing well enough without the input..)

two_heads_talking wrote:The problem with Gw is that each of us, everyone thinks we could do it better, and given the typical comment, I'd disagree with that assessment. Not only could most of us do no better, but I'd venture to say we'd, most of us, do a an even worse job..

That's the problem as I see it.. Too many knucklehead, tongue waggers with no clue trying to tell someone else what to do..

That's like that 16 year old who walks up to a professional basketball player (like Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Labron James, Dwight Howard, and telling them, you know what, if you did this like this, you'd be a better player.. perhaps they just might be right, but either of those 4 are doing well enough without the input..)

Alright, let me crank up the Mock Engine here to about Level 8...

Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy? How many one trick ponies are dying out because of poor management? And GW is that: A one-trick pony. It makes minitures creates rules to play games with those miniatures. It is all they do. You have to at least diversify a product line to keep it interesting to others. I find Space Marines quite boring myself, and so do many other players, otherwise there wouldn't be other armies and codexes.

If you can only do one thing, stagnating yourself, that is bad business. Especially when you still have loyal fans paying money for the smaller portion of the other products you create, and ask you to make more of them, instead of dominating their own market with one object.

It would be no different than a car company only making one car, with a group of options. However, only one of those option packages (the most generic) is generally available. You can get the rest, but they are produced in nearly the same numbers and he quality is noticably lower. The other option packages are hard to find, more heavily sought after by a larger customer base, but the company does nothing. It is called digging your own grave.

Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy?

If you are going to harp about economic sense then that in itself gives you the reason why DE won't come out anytime soon. I might not like it, but Space Marines sell. Maybe you find them boring, maybe I do too. But more people play them than any other race. And new players are more likely to play the game cause of them than anybody else.

Anyways if you guys read the articles they give the impression that every army will be getting a new codex (they must be pretty happy with 5th rules). Codexes will be arriving based on when the new plastic minis for said army can be finished. Armies that require less will as such come out sooner (thus SW is next, and other SM chapters will quickly follow).

Honestly think about. When DE, Inq etc get redone they'll be coming with a lot of minis. It doesn't take much time to update a SM codex, since it is fundamentally based off an already updated general codex and additionally there's no heavy amount of metal to plastic conversion necessary.

For the record I play WH. Just accept it for what it is, as much fun as it'd be to be the center of attention I like playing 40k as is. Even with my old school codex with over priced transports.

I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

To go back to the OP, I don't think they'll drop an army. Why bother? Just limiting yourself. Maybe they will minimize production on an army that sells slow but at this point I don't see them cutting one out.

morgendonner wrote:Honestly think about. When DE, Inq etc get redone they'll be coming with a lot of minis. It doesn't take much time to update a SM codex, since it is fundamentally based off an already updated general codex and additionally there's no heavy amount of metal to plastic conversion necessary.

That does not compute. Every single Space Marine codex release is accompanied by a large model release, larger than any other book.

Like squats the DE would be a nice meal for nids... I would squat them and lotr... then work closer with FW to produce a more competent release shedule to optimise some gaps in the range asap... Imagine the necron released with new plastics and then some nice resins for alternate themed necro armies from FW chaps...but I suck at basketball

The saved money on squating some things could be invested in investors pockects... just to give some slack to designers about SM.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

have you seen tauonline, the cadre, advanced tau tactica, etc? tau are LOVED.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

morgendonner wrote:Honestly think about. When DE, Inq etc get redone they'll be coming with a lot of minis. It doesn't take much time to update a SM codex, since it is fundamentally based off an already updated general codex and additionally there's no heavy amount of metal to plastic conversion necessary.

That does not compute. Every single Space Marine codex release is accompanied by a large model release, larger than any other book.

Ermmm... no it isn't. Dark Angels featured plastic Sprues, plus a plastic box and a metal blister. Plus a selection of "What can we throw the DA sprue into" boxes. Codex Space Marines came with 4 Plastic Boxes plus 3 Metal Boxes and 4 Metal Blisters. Orks got 4 Plastic Boxes, 3 Metal Boxes and 3 Blisters (4 including the Direct Standard Bearer.) Similarly, the Guard got 4 Plastic Boxes and 5 Blisters. (Intriguingly no metal boxes - perhaps GW are seeking to remove them, as I haven't seen any on the product list for the future.) Now, if we throw in second wave releases - both Guard and Orks have had more support over the last 18 Months than Marines. And current predictions for DE and Nids suggest this isn't changing, especially with Space Hulk now strongly rumoured.

lord marcus wrote:have you seen tauonline, the cadre, advanced tau tactica, etc? tau are LOVED.

I'm pretty sure that's just, like, the same four people.

they need to dump the dark eldar and demonhunter codex. They are just too long in the tooth. after the space wolves come out just say use them if you want just not in tourney play.

Mattlov wrote:

Alright, let me crank up the Mock Engine here to about Level 8....

roger that. MOck level 9 seatbelts engaged and mock level 10 helmet with restraint system engaged.. Fire away Sir...

Mattlov wrote:Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy? How many one trick ponies are dying out because of poor management? And GW is that: A one-trick pony. It makes minitures creates rules to play games with those miniatures. It is all they do. You have to at least diversify a product line to keep it interesting to others. I find Space Marines quite boring myself, and so do many other players, otherwise there wouldn't be other armies and codexes..

so, what you are telling me here is that if Gw stopped making space marines, (something that is over 65% of their base product sales) just becasuse you and many others don't like space marines, they'd make more money? How many is "many" can you quantify that because currently I'd say you are the percentage that falls into the 35% purchasers percentage..

Mattlov wrote:

If you can only do one thing, stagnating yourself, that is bad business. Especially when you still have loyal fans paying money for the smaller portion of the other products you create, and ask you to make more of them, instead of dominating their own market with one object...

Hmm, last time I checked Gw had 3 game systems with 13 armies in one, 15 armies in another and Lord knows how many armies LOTR has.. that isn't diversifying enough for you? sure you can keep your head in the sand and say.. it's all spaz marinez HURR and throw your hands up in the air, but lets call a spade a spade and not try to throw strawmen up here ok..

Mattlov wrote:It would be no different than a car company only making one car, with a group of options. However, only one of those option packages (the most generic) is generally available. You can get the rest, but they are produced in nearly the same numbers and he quality is noticably lower. The other option packages are hard to find, more heavily sought after by a larger customer base, but the company does nothing. It is called digging your own grave.

Again, it's not one game system or one army.. we have let's say 36 different options (to be on the safe side, lets say 30).. YOU tell me, since you seem to be the one with all the answers.. How do you update all that in one year? two years? three years? etc. etc.. currently you've not convinced of anything except that you have reinforced my original opinion..

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

Makes sense.

Personally I think they should drop Orks. They don't sell as well as Space Marines do and the whole humor thing in 40k doesn't really fit in.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

From what I heard all races are going to go in favour of marines. Background ideas have been sketched up where the Imperium fractures and dies, leaving only space marines, who know fight amongst one another for the Golden Throne.

It'll be great! They can call the new game "Space Marine!"


Oh wait...

its because the marines are there most profitable army.
they focus on there best army( which isnt bad in itself ) but when they neglect there other awesome armys it kills the game.
they need a bailout from obama so they can be forced to restructure.

Only GW is a British company.. Maybe if Jervis becomes a PM!

i knew that i just said that cause hes the one giving them out willy nilly

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

Why replace it with WotR when they've already replaced it with 40k?

Does WotR still actually sell better than WFB? I though the LotR "bubble" had already popped?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

Ermmm fantasy battle still sells quite well, you just dont see many of the kiddies in store playing it.