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Based on how hard GW is pushing WotR compared to WFB, along with people getting into WotR, I'd imagine that WotR sells better, even after the bubble.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

It's because the Tau are not well-liked that they need to stay in the game!

Infinite Grimdarkness(tm) - light relief == Booooooooooooooring.

Shakespeare knew that.

Mattlov wrote:Really? We would do worse because many of the comments make good business sense about EXPANDING and improving their niche market in a poor economy? How many one trick ponies are dying out because of poor management? And GW is that: A one-trick pony.

Yeah. Ok. Let's see, 25+ years, hundreds of brick and mortar stores. Worldwide distribution.

40k
Warhammer Fantasy Battles
War of the Ring/Lord of the Rings
Epic
Gothic
Necromunda
Mordheim
Bloodbowl
Space Hulk (soon to be re-released)
Warmaster

Warhammer Ancients, home to such games as Legends of the High Seas, Legends of the Old West, The Great War, etc.

Forgeworld...

Yeah, that's a hell of a one-trick pony. Unlike companies like Rackham. Oh wait...

Back OT. As a Dark Eldar player (and a player from 2nd ed), I think they need some serious conceptual work. At the same time I'd be fine if they squatted them, as long as there was some way for me to field them, and they did something interesting with the armies. Right now I'm pretty bored stiff with the whole thing.

And with regards to Space Marines all the time, I think GW would have an absolute gold mine if they did pre-heresy through to heresy kits, and rules. While everyone complains about all the marines, if they made a game about marines fighting marines, people would buy the heck out of it. Especially if they made cool pre-heresy kits for all the marine legions. And people would buy those same kits to kit-bash their 40k armies too... you watch... some day...

I'd be fine if they pulled a 'squat' on DE. I mean Eldar breed super slow and the DE are already on the run from Slaanesh like 24/7 right? It's safe to say at some point there aren't enough DE out there to pull together fighting forces, then there aren't enough DE to provide significant genetic diversity, then there just aren't enough DE around to hold back from being consumed by Slaanesh. Oh well, they had a good run right?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Typeline wrote:

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Unless you have a portable black hole?

Yep. Absolutely. They need to get down to about 1/2 dozen core armies that they can regularly get releases and updated rules for.

I see these core armies as being:

Space Marines
Orks
Imperial Guard
Eldar
Tyranids
Chaos

So what gets Squatted:

Inquisition (some units folded into Imperial Guard)
All the variant Space Marines (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars) (Codex Space Marines is flexible enough to cover all these)
Tau (close enough to Eldar, Hammerheads count as Fire Prisms, Devilfish as Wave Serpents, Piranhas as Vypers, FW as DA, etc.)
Necrons (Boring, and not worth supporting - can 'counts as' Marines)
Daemons (Folded into Chaos)
Dark Eldar (Folded into Eldar)

Under the "Asmodai System" GW releases a Codex every 2 months. Every army gets an update at least once per year with Space Marines hitting late every November for the Christmas rush. Codex releases don't make or break the company so special releases can be interspersed. (A new edition of the core rules every 2 years would be about right.)

Like in Magic, each Codex release introduces some new models/rules and 'retires' others (out of tournament play, but you can still use last year's rules for it in friendly games).

This provides a cycle of new and fresh models to buy, means that truly broken builds won't last a year and means that the Vets who currently have everything will have an excuse to buy new models.

BrookM wrote:

Typeline wrote:

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Unless you have a portable black hole?

I'm sorry. SPACE MAREENS don't allow those.

You can thank me for getting back on topic.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Typeline wrote:

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Hordini wrote:Personally I think they should drop Warhammer Fantasy Battles. It doesn't sell as well as 40k and the whole fantasy thing doesn't really fit.

Um, isn't that why WotR was created? To replace WFB with something that sells better?

WHERE do *you* pull *that* from?

Are you insinuating toward ass play?

Unless you have a portable black hole?

I'm sorry. SPACE MAREENS don't allow those.

You can thank me for getting back on topic.

You're right, a vortex grenade it is then.

@Asmodai:

That's one hell of a treadmill you've got there, with 40k releaeses every other month. You couldn't even squeeze in Apoc or rulebook updates, along with non-40k stuff.

I play Eldar, IG, SM, and Chaos, so I'd be forced to buy 4 Codices year, plus minis? Sorry, that's way too expensive for me.

Still, good Devil's Advocate solution to the "I want more updates" challenge.

Hold on, whats the point of Space Marines....if theres no one viable to "fight" against.

I was just about to expand my Grey Knights / Ordo Malleus army, now GW can kiss my ass.

Once I finally finish painting what I have, I won't be putting anymore moeny or effort into GW. To be fair I've already started pumping money into a new system, and I can see that continuing into the "forseeable future"

If GW was really going to cut down to a half dozen core armies, I'd expect to see something more like this:

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Black Templar
Chaos Space Marines

That way no one important is left out.

How about we all just keep spending money with GW as is, and we enjoy the game that we play.

that way we all have fun with a game that we enjoy, and we get ocasional updates from the miniature company who produces good looking models for us to use as toy soldiers in said game!

zomg, did i just blow you mind, its a game, and we DONT have to buy updates all the time unless you play space marines, wait, 65% of you play space marines? dont want to spend as much money? play DE, you will never need to buy a new codex! oh snap, want more updates, hey, space marines get updates all the time! dont like the minis? buy something else and play a "counts-as" army oh damn, did i just blow your mind again?

Hordini wrote:If GW was really going to cut down to a half dozen core armies, I'd expect to see something more like this:

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Black Templar
Chaos Space Marines

That way no one important is left out.

We would probably still see 'Nids, as they are the primary enemy of the Smurfs. So, more like 7 Codices.

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

My 6000+ points of Tau beg to disagree.

On topic, if GW starts dropping armies, that's when I leave the hobby. Personally I like playing armies that aren't as popular as space marines or orks. Whenever I show up at a new gaming store, everyone immediately wants to play me because I am one of only a handful of people who isn't playing the same race as everyone else. Sure waiting forever for codices sucks, but it beats the hell out of playing the same 3 armies every single time.

Sidstyler wrote:Personally I think they should drop Orks. They don't sell as well as Space Marines do and the whole humor thing in 40k doesn't really fit in.

Ahhh. Bite your tongue. Da Boyz are the best thing to happen to the game. You can play them brutal or you can play them fun. And I have a feeling GW designers themselves have a soft spot for Da Boyz. They were the first non imperim army to get a Super Heavy made into a plastic Kit. I don't think they should drop anything. I think they should flush out more of the armies they have. The more Codexes the better.

If they "Squat" any army in 40k or Fantasy, or LOTR, I really don't know what I'm going to do....

probably explode.

And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.


and to those who don't like Orks, you must be jealous dat Da Boyz Iz Neva Beat'n In Battle!

Cryonicleech wrote:
And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.

I was being sarcastic. The idea that "Squatting" anything nowadays would be a good thing is ridiculous. GW has alienated their veteran playerbase more than enough already.

Cryonicleech wrote:And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.

Actually, I don't hate WFB, just more tweaking of noses than anything else.

Though I am irritiated that my Dogs of War army appears to have been "Squatted", like my DE and Kroot before them...

Just use Counts As, Jonny. We all know how much you looooooooooooove telling everyone else to use Counts As, or how their 'Squatted' armies (like LatD and all our Chaos Legions) can just use 'Counts As', so use 'Counts As' for your Dogs of War. You can count them as... Ogre Kingdoms. Or Dwarves maybe. What fun!

Hordini wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:
And what's with all the WHFB hate? come on man, it's still a great game.

I was being sarcastic. The idea that "Squatting" anything nowadays would be a good thing is ridiculous. GW has alienated their veteran playerbase more than enough already.

Nothing more exciting than Veterans grumbling. But yes, I hope they squat nothing.

Actually, I don't hate WFB, just more tweaking of noses than anything else.

Though I am irritiated that my Dogs of War army appears to have been "Squatted", like my DE and Kroot before them...

Ahhh Dogs of War.......I miss the old days....../sniffle


I don't see why GW has to "illegalize" every non-codex/ variant list. Come on! just say "yes" and let it be!

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

...that's why I've seen several Tau players besides myself in my time wargaming, and not a single DE player?
...that's why the DE players at tournaments outnumber the Tau players....oh wait...they don't.

Although I was a little ticked off when I started this thread, I didn't expect it to be taken quite so seriously!

So, here's my idea.

Reduce the number of Codices to a core of:

Space Marines
Chaos Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Orks
Eldar
Tau
Necrons
Tyranids

Then have 5 'Advanced' Codices

Astartes - Variant Marine Chapters
Lost and the Damned - Chaos Legions, Daemons, Traitors and Mutants
Imperium - Inquisitors, Chambers Militant, Adeptus Mechanicus/Skitarrii etc
Klans - Variant Ork lists (kult of speed, freebooterz, clan lists etc)
Ancients - Craftworld Eldar, Dark Eldar, Corsairs, Exodites

These could be a real work of art - weighty tomes that every vet would want to own. No need to 'squat' anything but GW gets to keep a core of simpler Codices on the shelves for new gamers and gets double money off the vets who would buy the basic and advanced codex for each relevent army.

And with regards to Space Marines all the time, I think GW would have an absolute gold mine if they did pre-heresy through to heresy kits, and rules. While everyone complains about all the marines, if they made a game about marines fighting marines, people would buy the heck out of it. Especially if they made cool pre-heresy kits for all the marine legions. And people would buy those same kits to kit-bash their 40k armies too... you watch... some day...

It would run 40k and their other systems. It's hard enough waiting 5+ years between updates as it is, but if they do another game focused entirely on Space Marines, you can kiss 40k/WHF updates goodbye for a long while as they focus 98% of their attention on their new cash cow/every SM players wet dream.

How about we all just keep spending money with GW as is, and we enjoy the game that we play.

No.

@ All the tools taking this thread seriously: SARCASM! I don't think anyone in here seriously wants anything to be Squatted*, it's just a bit of fun.

*And if anyone posting here does then you're a moron and I wish I could hit you in the head with a sledgehammer for every dollar I spent on this stupid hobby.

BloodofOrks wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:I hope they drop the Tau. They're not as well-liked as the Dark Eldar.

My 6000+ points of Tau beg to disagree.

On topic, if GW starts dropping armies, that's when I leave the hobby. Personally I like playing armies that aren't as popular as space marines or orks. Whenever I show up at a new gaming store, everyone immediately wants to play me because I am one of only a handful of people who isn't playing the same race as everyone else. Sure waiting forever for codices sucks, but it beats the hell out of playing the same 3 armies every single time.

They already dropped Squats a long time ago. DE are in danger of being dropped, if only from terminal neglect.

I would be surprised if Tau were dropped since they are a popular Xeno army.

People always love to assume the worst. Bunch of 50's Yankee-sissies, go on! Keep squealing that the bombs are a comin'!

Kilkrazy wrote:They already dropped Squats a long time ago. DE are in danger of being dropped, if only from terminal neglect.

Isn't neglect the path that led to the squats being umm...'squatted'? They didn't know what to do with them, no one could think of how to re work and fit them in, no one could work up the enthusiasm and the more time passed the more difficult it became to overome these problems. The squats never got a 2nd edition Codex, though they were technically playable. Two editions have passed since the DE had a codex.

Sidstyler wrote:@ All the tools taking this thread seriously: SARCASM! I don't think anyone in here seriously wants anything to be Squatted*, it's just a bit of fun.

it may have started that way, but there's no rule against conversations developing into something else. So a more serious conversation sprang up out of a joke thread (or about a serious conversation about toy men as you can have) - is that bad?