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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8194235.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7727641.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8030299.stm


So, 5 years enough then? I think we are missing the point, people are going down for considerably longer for financial crimes, fraud etc but these creatures tortured a child, one of them raped another and the brothers tortured their own grandmother before her death. The Stepfather had a history of torturing and killing animals.

Why was life not the verdict, to mean life. 5 years? Justice was not served.

What the blue feth is wrong with your justice system? A two year old girl was fething raped, a baby boy was tortured and killed, an old woman was beaten half to death, countless animals were tortured and killed, and THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS? fething hell, the death sentence would be far too good for them! Lock them in a fething 4x4 cell with no toilet and minimal sustenace for the rest of their lives, I say. Even being a nazi should be a fething criminal offence.

When you guys overthrow your government, you better fething bet I'll be there with my trusty hatchet to rip these filthy bastards apart.

Thats very Christian of you Cheese.

WWJD?

New Testament: forgive them but make them atone.
Old Testament: probably would involve pliers.

Rofl.

Whats this I hear about people getting "stoned" to death?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7727641.stm wrote:
THE BOYFRIEND - STEVEN BARKER= If he was ever confronted about his treatment of the baby, he claimed he was trying to "toughen him up".
He even tried to train the boy like his dog.
When he clicked his fingers, Peter would touch his forehead to the floor for fear of being punished.

This guy is scum FFS, and I still do not fully understand what has happened here in detail. Can someone summarize this? I am going to look around for some better, more understandable articles.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7727641.stm wrote:Owen was jailed indefinitely for causing Peter's death and will serve at least three years.

Ummm.... what? 3 years, this must be a freaking sadistic joke...

long story short the justice system failed and everyone in the articles got less then 5 years for their crimes.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8194235.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7727641.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8030299.stm


So, 5 years enough then? I think we are missing the point, people are going down for considerably longer for financial crimes, fraud etc but these creatures tortured a child, one of them raped another and the brothers tortured their own grandmother before her death. The Stepfather had a history of torturing and killing animals.

Why was life not the verdict, to mean life. 5 years? Justice was not served.

Actually, you just have to dig a little deeper. The Judge that passed down the sentences was actually very cunning. A life sentence is finite, and has parole like any other. BUT, give them a minimum, rather than a maximum, and you can keep the sods locked up indefinitely.

Funny how the press and gutter media neatly plastered over that one.

I don't get this "death is too good for them" philosophy.

Death isn't too good for my enemies.

The death sentence is nothing compared to being locked up for the rest of your life, although in some cases (this being among them) I see no reason why they should not be put out of their misery. Messed... up... frakkin'... individuals. This will represent a tax burden if they are just tossed away, but I suppose huge sums of money to keep people like this alive and kicking is worth it? Man, the madness is maddening .

Man... this is some really messed up stuff and I for one hope that Mad doc is right about them being locked up tight.

Oh I am.

A Judge normally hands down both a limit, and a reccomended minimum stay at Her Majesty's Pleasure (kinky old Bat is Queenie. Loves to see men shut up!). But here, we have the minimum, but no maximum. Trust me, this means their cases are reviewed at the end, and no judge in his right mind is going to release the two brothers. The mother, possibly. After a long old time.

Good to hear.

What action is being taken to avoid these types of situations in the future? In essence they are not 100% avoidable, but the system seems to have a mighty big leak if you ask me. It is the same out here with social services, it is almost like there is very few people actually interested in getting their job done. I will not go to deeply into this because I will most definitely offend, but CPS are some extremely whacky people some times (lack of logic, pure political emotion most of the time).

Cheese Elemental wrote:What the blue feth is wrong with your justice system? A two year old girl was fething raped, a baby boy was tortured and killed, an old woman was beaten half to death, countless animals were tortured and killed, and THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS? fething hell, the death sentence would be far too good for them! Lock them in a fething 4x4 cell with no toilet and minimal sustenace for the rest of their lives, I say. Even being a nazi should be a fething criminal offence.

When you guys overthrow your government, you better fething bet I'll be there with my trusty hatchet to rip these filthy bastards apart.

Whilst that's a perfectly understandable emotional reaction to what these 'people' have done thankfully the law has to be above such gut reactions. I don't see there being any way they will be out soon and there is no way they will be let out in the general population of the prison. These people are going to suffer a long and lonely existence.

Incidentally just what exactly is to be achieved by releasing their names? I hope I'm wrong in predicting a repeat of that debacle in 2000 when the NotW stated printing the addresses of sex offenders. As weird as this may sound I think a collection of Ill-informed lynch mobs are a far greater threat to society than any number of released ex-offenders.

LuciusAR wrote:Incidentally just what exactly is to be achieved by releasing their names?

Newspaper sales?

Wrexasaur wrote:The death sentence is nothing compared to being locked up for the rest of your life

In our country, I don't know about that. Free education, guaranteed employment, OR all the books you can read and the time to read them, free food, free healthcare, free cable... or death? Not saying I ever want to go to prison, but I don't think that Life is worse than Death.

jp400 wrote:Thats very Christian of you Cheese.

WWJD?

I'm very... flexible with my beliefs.

I don't support the death sentence.

Scum like that don't deserve the release of death. If I had it my way I'd shut people like that up forever, giving them the bare minimum of food just to keep them alive(because they don't deserve tax payers money)

LuciusAR wrote:I think a collection of Ill-informed lynch mobs are a far greater threat to society than any number of released ex-offenders.

If the lynch mobs only target convicted sex offenders, I'd be completely OK with that.

Lordhat wrote:

Wrexasaur wrote:The death sentence is nothing compared to being locked up for the rest of your life

In our country, I don't know about that. Free education, guaranteed employment, OR all the books you can read and the time to read them, free food, free healthcare, free cable... or death? Not saying I ever want to go to prison, but I don't think that Life is worse than Death.

True enough, true enough. To some degree I agree with you purely by default, but when you take a look at the costs of housing so many criminals (some of which are in and out their whole lives, like some sort of demented vacation spot) it starts to point to the chair (or P.C. version therein).

I do agree that there should be a hard-line between who should and shouldn't be tossed onto death row, but I think that in some cases the options are very limited, and to put it bluntly not all of them deserve to be put to rest. Sure they will have food, etc... but have you ever spent a year in the same room before? Self inflicted fears are usually the worst, but who knows with some of these cats, they are just in their own little worlds.

Too complicated an issue to determine what is right and wrong for every situation as a general rule. The rare case of someone ending on death row, or even with a life sentence is common enough to make me worry a bit about this type of finalist precognition if you may.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

LuciusAR wrote:I think a collection of Ill-informed lynch mobs are a far greater threat to society than any number of released ex-offenders.

If the lynch mobs only target convicted sex offenders, I'd be completely OK with that.

That’s all very well until they attack a paediatrician (this did happen in the 2000 debacle) or attack someone based on just rumour and tittle-tattle as opposed to an actual conviction.

Mobs are never a good thing and no good can come of having this information in the public domain.

Newsflash: US registered sex offender lists are public domain information, as required by law.

LuciusAR wrote:

Incidentally just what exactly is to be achieved by releasing their names?

So they can be kept watched upon and any time they were/are considered for parole/similar the then Home Secretary will, through one of the anonymous "Home Office sources", let a newspaper know this is coming up, that paper can complain and start a campaign to keep them locked up. Then the Home Secretary can step in, reassure the public that such vile people like this will never be released, etc etc.. blah blah, not on my watch... debt ot society etc etc . The paper sells more copies and gets some free advertising and the Home Secretary and the Govt. get to look tough on crime and criminals, even though no parole board in the country would release them in the first place.

.... I would suggest it also makes their time inside distnctly more unpleasant as well.

Which I can live with.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Newsflash: US registered sex offender lists are public domain information, as required by law.

Newsflash: Sex Offender Lists don't work

but no neck snapping fall... let em hang just a foot or so off the ground.

Envy89 wrote:

but no neck snapping fall... let em hang just a foot or so off the ground.

A sex offender list would work if it led to this.

Frazzled wrote:

Envy89 wrote:

but no neck snapping fall... let em hang just a foot or so off the ground.

A sex offender list would work if it led to this.

Sex offender lists place someone who raped and abused 50 kids on the same list as a drunk 18 year old who streaked within 1km of a school.

Gwar! wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Newsflash: US registered sex offender lists are public domain information, as required by law.

Newsflash: Sex Offender Lists don't work

Which is why we should lynch them.

Duh.

Frazzled wrote:A sex offender list would work if it led to this.

a sex offender list would work if it led to this....



only with a much smaller whole

Gwar! wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Envy89 wrote:

but no neck snapping fall... let em hang just a foot or so off the ground.

A sex offender list would work if it led to this.

Sex offender lists place someone who raped and abused 50 kids on the same list as a drunk 18 year old who streaked within 1km of a school.

Then there will be less drunken 18 year olds streaking won't there?

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