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Why do "Casual Gamers" enter threads that have titles like: "How to build the Hardest Marine Army and Win at Tournaments"

...and 'add' to the discussion by saying things like "you're a jerk if you build armies like this!"

Don't you know that the thread isnt for you in the first place? I don't recall ever feeling a need to enter threads entitled "How to build the fluffiest Ultramarine army ever!" (in fact I never go into them) and rail on about how your army lacks focus and will never win a 'Best General' award.

It's just confusing to me.

Deadshane1 wrote:Why do "Casual Gamers" enter threads that have titles like: "How to build the Hardest Marine Army and Win at Tournaments"

...and 'add' to the discussion by saying things like "you're a jerk if you build armies like this!"

Don't you know that the thread isnt for you in the first place? I don't recall ever feeling a need to enter threads entitled "How to build the fluffiest Ultramarine army ever!" and rail on about how your army lacks focus and will never win a 'Best General' award.

It's just confusing to me.

Don't know. As a casual gamer myself I think threads like that are stupid. Different lists are for different environments and no-one environment is better than someone elses. If you are going to take on a tournie player in his/ her type of environment, even for a friendly, you should take your hardest list as a matter of respect and give the best game you can. V'v tournie player should be willing to adapt when asked for a casual scenerio based game.

Have a hard list doesn't make you a dick. Whining about why you lost when your underpowered fluff list got walloped by said power list makes you a dick. To paraphrase Sean Connery "don't bring a knife to a gun fight". People should be aware of the environment they are going to be gaming in (and that includes opponent) and plan accordingly.

Does this actually happen or is this just a lovely example of tilting at imaginary windmills.

Casual gamers usually play people testing out their 'tournament lists' and it sucks to get stomped into the ground when you just wanted to play.

Like this guy I know...lets call him Shane. He got obliterated by this cheese monger Geoff's lascannon of doom army once. I'm sure he didn't have any fun.

Bat Manuel wrote:Casual gamers usually play people testing out their 'tournament lists' and it sucks to get stomped into the ground when you just wanted to play.

Like this guy I know...lets call him Shane. He got obliterated by this cheese monger Geoff's lascannon of doom army once. I'm sure he didn't have any fun.

Neither player during that game was a casual gamer...has nothing to do with the subject here.

Oh noes, sometimes people disagree!

Wow, this seems to be another bait shane thread. Second one I've read in a row here.....
And people say the Dakka community is unfriendly!

Ketara wrote:Wow, this seems to be another bait shane thread. Second one I've read in a row here.....
And people say the Dakka community is unfriendly!

Friendliest place on earth!

So, question back. You hardcore tourny guys, why do you bring your over-powered I win lists to friendly games and ruin it for all us casual folks?

I'm a casual player, but I try to play competetivly(to an extent where I'm still having fun with my actual army, obviously), and I have no problem with 'cheesy' lists. Nothing wrong with trying to actually win the game.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Bat Manuel wrote:Casual gamers usually play people testing out their 'tournament lists' and it sucks to get stomped into the ground when you just wanted to play.

Like this guy I know...lets call him Shane. He got obliterated by this cheese monger Geoff's lascannon of doom army once. I'm sure he didn't have any fun.

Neither player during that game was a casual gamer...has nothing to do with the subject here.

I would hardly call Geoff a tournament player

And my point was the first sentence, the second was just so you'd see the same point of view

As a casual gamer I never do enter those threads. Crazy ideas like there being 'optimal lists' scare me. I just like the blue evil spase mairnes.... theyre blue.

djones520 wrote:
So, question back. You hardcore tourny guys, why do you bring your over-powered I win lists to friendly games and ruin it for all us casual folks?

If the casual folk's game is 'ruined' by playing against a more powerful list, the fault lies in the casual folks.

I don't mind playing when I'm over-matched. My fun isn't attached to winning.

The idea is, if you want to win, play to win. If you just want to throw whatever random junk on the table, or play super fluffy, don't get mad when you lose. Complaining about self imposed restrictions is what makes you a scrub.

Fafnir wrote:The idea is, if you want to win, play to win. If you just want to throw whatever random junk on the table, or play super fluffy, don't get mad when you lose. Complaining about self imposed restrictions is what makes you a scrub.

Eccept that at a given store you know who the fluffy or newer players are. When people ask me for a game I find out if they want a casual game or a no holds barred bring your 'Ard tourney list game. Win or lose I find games that are "close" to be more fun. So I try to match the "power level" of my opponent's list.

I got to see a game last night when a waac player sat there when 3 veteran players came in the store, but when a newer guy showed up he pounced on him for a game. Then he got tabled after his 500+ pt vet assault squad bounced off a terminator assault squad without inflicting a wound.

edit- the new guy won (not sure if it was clear)

^^That'll learn him.

It pretty simple.. They have been brow beaten by the csual gamer mafia and are pissed off others havent..

I actually field gak lists cause Im cheap and dont want to mech up my armies.

But also its good not to hear the others complain.

I'm a casual player but I do read those threads as I can imagine and see how destructive the lists can be but can also see potential flaws in them and if you can add something to the conversation that could help I think you should.

I am going to try and make a tourney list though as our club is going to enter the school tourney. So these threads can help.

I'm a casual gamer. I don't think I've played a regular game of 40k in over two years, there's always some custom rules/scenarios/campaign/apocalypse/planetstrike thing going on in my games.

It took a while for me to realize I had become a casual gamer, and when I did I stopped posting in any rules or optimal list discussions.

When I'm talking about modeling or playing a game, it does throw me a bit when someone makes suggestions to sharpen up my list, but it certainly doesn't upset me. I just tell them I brought X instead of Y because X looked cooler in the army.

At the same time, I don't play in tournaments and I try to avoid players that are getting ready for tournaments, or whose sole enjoyment of the hobby is kickin' ass.

As they say, "eggs have no business dancing with rocks." It never ends well.

Deadshane1 wrote:Why do "Casual Gamers" enter threads that have titles like: "How to build the Hardest Marine Army and Win at Tournaments"

...and 'add' to the discussion by saying things like "you're a jerk if you build armies like this!"

Probably the same reason "non-casual" gamers can't seem to not butt into a thread that has nothing to do with building an uber army/winning and spouting off some form of competitive based analysis of what ever is being discussed...

Deadshane1 wrote:Why do "Casual Gamers" enter threads that have titles like: "How to build the Hardest Marine Army and Win at Tournaments" and 'add' to the discussion by saying things like "you're a jerk if you build armies like this!"

Because casual gamers are the apex of humanity, and you 'tournament gamers' *spits* need to be reminded of that every now and again lest you try to rise above your station.

This post brought to you by the Dakka Casual Gamer Mafia - 'Out Way is the Only Way'

CT GAMER wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Why do "Casual Gamers" enter threads that have titles like: "How to build the Hardest Marine Army and Win at Tournaments"

...and 'add' to the discussion by saying things like "you're a jerk if you build armies like this!"

Probably the same reason "non-casual" gamers can't seem to not butt into a thread that has nothing to do with building an uber army/winning and spouting off some form of competitive based analysis of what ever is being discussed...

there is a difference here. The competitive gamers are usually trying to be helpful, but are just clueless. The casual gamers are often pretty hostile.

What if you're a casual tournament gamer?

Such things DO exist (well, they do hereabouts) in tandem with the other types.

I take an army of models I like, do moderately well (top half of the field) and am not overly concerned with the lack of a podium finish on Generalismistics (but am quite happy to pick up the painting or other soft scores prize).

I am quite capable of building and using the hardest army (I do have most, if not all of the 'hard' SM units in my collection) - but I regard tabling an opponent in the shortest time available as less than fun (a win handed to you is not as sweet as one hard fought).

Polonius wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:Why do "Casual Gamers" enter threads that have titles like: "How to build the Hardest Marine Army and Win at Tournaments"

...and 'add' to the discussion by saying things like "you're a jerk if you build armies like this!"

Probably the same reason "non-casual" gamers can't seem to not butt into a thread that has nothing to do with building an uber army/winning and spouting off some form of competitive based analysis of what ever is being discussed...

there is a difference here. The competitive gamers are usually trying to be helpful, but are just clueless. The casual gamers are often pretty hostile.

Both subsets have a percentage of individuals that like to hear themselves talk and assume the other subset is doing things "wrong".

Unfortunately on a public forum They find plenty of places to test this assumption...

Some Jerk Lists Would include, Nob bikers list, guard Air Cav, Stern guard drop pod, jet bike seer council, stuff like that are generally not fun to play against

Take one of the lists against the others, then it is fun to play against.

Champion_0f_Chaos wrote:Jerk Lists

So those compeltely 100% legal armies you just listed are 'Jerk Lists' are they?

Nice that you would colour everyone with the same brush.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Champion_0f_Chaos wrote:Jerk Lists

So those compeltely 100% legal armies you just listed are 'Jerk Lists' are they?

Nice that you would colour everyone with the same brush.

Not being a massive 40k player i.e casual player, are these so called Jerk lists unbeatable? It seems like there are about 5 or 6 lists people whine about. Are they that unbeatable?

fullheadofhair wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Champion_0f_Chaos wrote:Jerk Lists

So those compeltely 100% legal armies you just listed are 'Jerk Lists' are they?

Nice that you would colour everyone with the same brush.

Not being a massive 40k player i.e casual player, are these so called Jerk lists unbeatable? It seems like there are about 5 or 6 lists people whine about. Are they that unbeatable?

They aren't unbeatable. But you can put a give a 12 year old whose been playing two months that list, and an experienced game with a balanced "fluffy" list would find himself fighting for his life against it.

I consider myself a casual gamer. I honestly don't mind seeing those lists in a tournament scene. Thats what tournies are for, winning. But it does irritate the hell outta me when people bring that to the FLGS weekly fun night.

They're just powerful, and the end result from a games design process that is designed to sell models and not create a balanced rulset.

Stupid to blame players for finding them.

I am definitely a casual gamer, but I almost always side with the "jerk list" guys on here. Points are points, and if some models are cheaper than others, well that gw's fault. In a perfect world my 2k fluffy mish-mash army should at least stand a chance against your 2k power build tourney army. And even with all of the broken codex's out there, I think it still has alot to do with your generalship. A creative general should still be able to pull out a win when up against a power build army.
A mite off topic, but my two cents.

OT though, I think the internet is a giant soap box for idiots and drunks(me) to jump up and start sh*tting everywhere, just because we can.