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They have the most customization and options than any other codex. They get constant codex and model updates. Are you ok with this? As other races do not get any of the above.

I think the other races deserve more love, especially the xenos ones.

That being said, all the constant updates and model releases, the majority of which are nicely sculpted and easily-convertible plastics makes SM an attractive proposition for collecting. Which helps to make it a more attractive army to buy, which = profit, and so on. We all know the reasons.

The issue is sales.
The higher the sales the higher the 'love'.

Leading to the cycle I like to call the "spase mahrinz pahradoxikal cykul".

I voted every option - mostly because your poll is so biased its really pointless.

Space marines are certainly GW's Golden Boys, but since they were the first real race in the 40k universe, right back in rouge trader i can understand it. I also think that begginers go for them as well because they have lots of guns and are sort of 'normal' in the sense that they have no special rules disadvantaging them or advantiging them.

Theyre also viewed as good because begginers will say ' ohh imperial quare are rubbish because theyre T3 and have a 5+ armour save'. The 3+ save is why most people think marines are so good. Its not all about armour saves. Another reason is that newer hobbists like the terminators (yay theyre invincible because they have 2+ armour save) and the land raiders. Thier armoes often consist of 50 terminators and 10 land raiders.

That's why they stay with SM as well, the rest of it looks like crap to them and would be a waste of time and money to get anything other than more SM.

I'm ok with it, especially given how cheap you can put together a marine force for.

I am not pleased with the Space Marine love.

All the love?

Most of the SM plastic kits are third edition, or minor variations on that. Many of the metal models are second edition, and before the new Ultra Marine models came out for 5th edition, nearly all of the metal models were second edition.

They just seem to be loved the most as they did their codex first when they started overhauling all of races for fifth edition. Personally I think IG got more attention when their codex got redone, and they still have models to come.

Grim.Badger wrote:All the love?

Most of the SM plastic kits are third edition, or minor variations on that. Many of the metal models are second edition, and before the new Ultra Marine models came out for 5th edition, nearly all of the metal models were second edition.

They just seem to be loved the most as they did their codex first when they started overhauling all of races for fifth edition. Personally I think IG got more attention when their codex got redone, and they still have models to come.

I hope you're not trying to convince people that SMs really aren't that favored when every other new codex released is a SM codex...

Obviously 'ALL the love' is an exaggeration. The point is you don't see Tau Empire getting a new codex every other 40k release. SMs as a single army get half of all codex releases, ALL box set releases, and constant spotlight time. That's why they seem(?) to be loved the most.
You probably just got anxious when IG took the stage away from SMs for that very brief time. Tyranids are about to do it also but don't worry, all focus will come back to SMs a week later.

The Space Marines are why I started collecting Warhammer. They are the coolness.

Archonate wrote:I hope you're not trying to convince people that SMs really aren't that favored when every other new codex released is a SM codex...

Obviously 'ALL the love' is an exaggeration. The point is you don't see Tau Empire getting a new codex every other 40k release. SMs as a single army get half of all codex releases, ALL box set releases, and constant spotlight time. That's why they seem(?) to be loved the most.
You probably just got anxious when IG took the stage away from SMs for that very brief time. Tyranids are about to do it also but don't worry, all focus will come back to SMs a week later.

You can't count BA/DA/BT/SW as codex's or full releases, they just use the Vanilla dex and models and fiddle with the rules and stick a little green stuff on Takes about 5 minutes compared to revamping a proper codex.
I wasn't anxious about IG, I think their codex needed work and it was daft that they hadn't really had new plastic tanks since the end of second edition.
They will get a little more attention as most of the fluff is based around the Legions/Chapters, but I don't think they get an unhealthy amount; though I will admit it would be nice to see Craftworld specific Eldar kits etc, I do however expect them to get something along those lines with their 5th ed release.

Grim.Badger wrote:You can't count BA/DA/BT/SW as codex's or full releases, they just use the Vanilla dex and models and fiddle with the rules and stick a little green stuff on Takes about 5 minutes compared to revamping a proper codex.

Absolutely! I agree that this is all that SHOULD be necessary to define a chapter. That the vanilla dex SHOULD be all that a SM player needs. The problem is GW spends time and resources on codices for SM armies which have already been significantly updated with the release of the vanilla codex. Time and resources that could be going to armies that need it much, much more. Armies that, if updated, would expand the game further and make the universe a more interesting place.

Grim.Badger wrote:
They will get a little more attention as most of the fluff is based around the Legions/Chapters, but I don't think they get an unhealthy amount; though I will admit it would be nice to see Craftworld specific Eldar kits etc, I do however expect them to get something along those lines with their 5th ed release.

Or Tau Septs, Tyranid hive fleets, DE Kabals etc. I'm not so sure that will happen though. GW seems to be drifting more toward armies being changed by certain SC choices, not so much by giving sub-armies their own body of special rules. And with that sensation, I think the kits will remain generic. But who knows...

From My point of view at the moment marines aren't getting all the love. The wolves i believe the oldest codex besides dark eldar not sure about crons. at the time so they needed an updates and blood angels and tyranids are because of space hulk. From GW themsevles Black Templar and Dark Angels players will be sad for a long time according to Gamesday Italy. If marines were getting all the love dark eldar and crons would be pushed back to 2011/12 and templars and dark angels would be inserted around there.

You gotta understand the non-SM player mentality. We don't look at chapters as independent armies. To us they are all just 'Space Marines'.

We know that 'Space Marines' were the first codex to be released in 5th edition. Just this month 'Space Marines' got another new codex, and from what we hear, 'Space Marines' will get yet another new codex right after Tyranids.

Convincing a non-SM player that SMs aren't being favored amounts to trying to convince them that there have been no SM releases since the vanilla codex... which is ridiculous.

Archonate wrote:You gotta understand the non-SM player mentality. We don't look at chapters as independent armies. To us they are all just 'Space Marines'.

We know that 'Space Marines' were the first codex to be released in 5th edition. Just this month 'Space Marines' got another new codex, and from what we hear, 'Space Marines' will get yet another new codex right after Tyranids.

Convincing a non-SM player that SMs aren't being favored amounts to trying to convince them that there have been no SM releases since the vanilla codex... which is ridiculous.

They all claim to be "Spehs mahrinz".

Fixed spelling.

Archonate wrote:Convincing a non-SM player that SMs aren't being favored amounts to trying to convince them that there have been no SM releases since the vanilla codex... which is ridiculous.

Is anybody seriously contesting the idea the SMs get favorable treatment? It seems patently obvious to me. But it's not worth complaining about. Complaining won't change a thing.

SMs sell and so SMs get more minis and more dexes because it's economically viable for GW to do that. It's not like it's done vindictively to spite players of other armies. It's just business. The same rule applies to the xenos. Nids are getting the next book and they're not really any more "deserving" than any other army. But they're popular and so they go ahead of the also rans like Necrons and the frickin' Dark Eldar that have to get mentioned in every thread on every forum in the known universe any time there's new information about a new release. Tau haven't been around long, but have already had two codices and there are rumors that there'll be a third one next year. They don't "deserve" one any more than anybody else, but they're fairly popular and so it makes sense for GW to support the armies that already sell.

No god damnit, no!! ) :<

Yes, SMs get to much love. It's because they make the money as many have said already. There isn't a damn thing I can do about it though.
The problem with letting other races (Necron and DE specifically) rot the way GW has, is it starts a vicious cycle. The models suck and/or the codex needs updating so people don't buy them. Thus they don't sell so GW ignores them, so people see no updates or anything to entice them so they don't buy them, so gw doesn't update them... ad nauseam.
I'm sure GW will get around to updating crons and DE eventually.

Very strong NO. They've been around longer, but they don't deserve any more attention and creativity as any other one. Bigger codexes with even more customization, (Kabals, Tau Septs, Craftworlds, Chapters, IG Worlds, Hive Fleets, Lumped Inquisition with different forces, I think you get it....) I think that in general GW needs to think of the game as a whole instead of the armies as seperate. They need to think of how it all fits together, and SM don't need to be the bloodlife of this franchise.

They make too much money, so they make more SM, so they make more money. GW needs to end this cycle. For this to go on, balance must be restored at some point. Either they need more designers to help make this happen, or they need to get off of their lazy asses and start doing things.

Fething boy scouts. 40K needs four or five new armies, three of which should be Xenos.

crazypsyko666 wrote:GW needs to end this cycle. For this to go on, balance must be restored at some point. Either they need more designers to help make this happen, or they need to get off of their lazy asses and start doing things.

Right. If only GW would make what people want to buy. Oh, wait.

To a point people want to buy space marines because there will always be more space marines. Not just because they're easy. Whoever gets the most news gets the most sales. Ever since the new IG codex, I can guarantee you the sales of IG skyrocketed. If they release more consistent xenos armies, then the sales of those will go up. I'm not saying they would go up, they WILL go up. Until you realize this, you're being the problem, Arschbombe. Just accepting it is not going to make anything better, for anyone except for SM players like you. You are being a perfect example of what Archonate has been trying to say about the non-sm mentality. Either way, you're just letting it happen.

Hear that. That's the sound of nuturable Codices dying.

crazypsyko666 wrote: Until you realize this, you're being the problem, Arschbombe.

Uh, no. I had nothing to do with the low sales of the Necrons, Inquisition, and Dark Eldar armies and their resulting lack of priority for GW. In GW's mind, they're low priority because they are low demand.

Apart from that, in addition to my Blood Angels I also play Nids and Tau and have small CSM and IG armies on the back burner.

Just accepting it is not going to make anything better, for anyone except for SM players like you.

Having all SM all the time doesn't do me any good. Similarly, the SM codex and the SW codex don't do me any good other than one of my pals finally has a current SW codex to use and it has gotten him to buy more models. I don't particularly care for SM on SM match ups. I prefer to field my BA against xenos/heretics, but the numbers being what they are that doesn't happen as much as I like. I can't make people stop playing SM armies any more than you or GW can.

A simple solution would be to not buy SM and SM chapters.

I think they would do well to put some more promotion into their other races, but I have no issue with a company putting time and effort into its biggest selling item.

It's all about the Benjamins.

Besides, SMs are generally less half of GW's overall release schedule.

Seeing as SM are GWs "flagship" army,it only makes sense that they receive as much love as they do.
However,as H.B.M.C stated,it would be probably benifit GW to put a bit more effort into promoting the other races.