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honestly, I love GW and all it does. it can do no wrong in my opinion. I almost never buy from GW directly or any of its stores, and I never buy anything from them unless I get it for at least 25% off... I just bought a whole freaking biker marine army for like $250... considering its like 40 bikes (5 attack bikes in there too) its not that bad a deal.
Love? I don't think anybody really loves a corporation.
GW minis are nice enough for me to have bought hundreds upon hundreds. The game plays well enough for a fun diversion while shooting the breeze. New stuff comes out often enough to shake things up.
They created a hobby i enjoy. I support the hobby and by default I support GW (i.e. I will be buying the new battlefield missions book). I like the quality of the products too.
As a hobby, this game has passionate enthusiasts. This means that they gain a lot of love already, but are also subject to the increased scrutiny of these fans. It results in a lot of interwebs whining when things dont go the way people want.
However it is important that GW be subject to criticism & comment, like all companies should. Speaking up is the only way to be heard! I also think that the agressive stance on IP protection taken recently is unreasonable and uncessary (not discounting their right to protect IP - its how you do it people).
JohnHwangDD wrote:Love? I don't think anybody really loves a corporation.
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No I do not "Love" the Corporation, but I do Love the Hobby.
GW above all things is a business first and yes they have to make money and yes they need to protect their IP. And yes they go around it the wrong way alot of the time. You think they are tough, you should see the hoops they have to jump through to do anything for Lord of the Rings. Approval from Newline, Tolkien Enterprises etc.
As an ex GW Trade guy, it was almost impossible to promote anything LotR as you could never get approval in time for posters, Flyers, anything.
But I do love the GW Hobby, and most of the things involved with it. Not perfect but not bad.
I love the fluff, the universe/atmosphere that you can put into the game, the models... pretty much everything about the actual hobby itself. I think they do an excellent job of that. I mean obviously GW as a company needs to do what they have got to do to survive, and sometimes I think they treat their loyal fans like crap... but overall I'm happy with the product. I just wish the Codex creep wasn't so stupid
JohnHwangDD wrote:Love? I don't think anybody really loves a corporation.
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No I do not "Love" the Corporation, but I do Love the Hobby.
GW above all things is a business first and yes they have to make money and yes they need to protect their IP. And yes they go around it the wrong way alot of the time. You think they are tough, you should see the hoops they have to jump through to do anything for Lord of the Rings. Approval from Newline, Tolkien Enterprises etc.
As an ex GW Trade guy, it was almost impossible to promote anything LotR as you could never get approval in time for posters, Flyers, anything.
But I do love the GW Hobby, and most of the things involved with it. Not perfect but not bad.
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The GW "Hobby", as it were, is merely an attempt by the corporation to shut out all other miniature wargames. By calling it the "GW Hobby" just makes people believe that GW is all there is. Why does GW sell its own glue, its own dirt, spraypaint, and all that other crap? Because it doesn't want people to realize that there is anything better.
This is why I hate it when people call it the GW Hobby. It's just a miniature wargame hobby, not a GW hobby.
May make me a fanboi but I really like pretty much every aspect of GW. Sure, I would like the prices to be lower, but honestly, that would probably only decrease my enjoyment as I would have even more unbuilt/unpainted than I already do with no end in site.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I am not saying that everything they do is perfect, but on the whole from their models, to their rules, to (yes, even this) their interaction with the customer base, they are really quite a good organization.
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Although some other companies are catching up, i still think GW produces the finest and most detailed miniatures on the market.
That alone is reason enough for me to continue buying their product and supporting their business. The games are a nice distraction too though
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I love that the warhammer world and the 40k universe have such dark themes in them, I love orks n orcs and their sadistic childish enjoyment of the terrible worlds they inhabit, I love the Empire for being a gothic/germanic human race when so many other worlds are full of brettonian style 'high' fantasy human kingdoms. I love Chaos, as it was, and miss the massive and rich diversity it once possessed, that kept me as a teenager reading totally absorbed by the realm of chaos books.
I love the fluff. I love many of the miniatures and I love forgeworld's mastercrafted models.
I loved all that GW gave me for years from the age of 11 when I picked up White Dwarf 98 and 3rd edition WHFB soon after.
I loved the first time I read Drachenfels or rolled on the mutation tables in Slaves to Darkness or painted my fianna fimm warrior fimir or built a landing base for my black legion beakies using the polystyrene from a TV box.
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I love the quality of the plastic models, the scope of the settings and the accessibility of the games.
System wise:
- I love WOTR for simple but fun generic fantasy smack downs that are fluid and entertaining as hell.
-I love 40K when it's played at a high level because the games can be nailbiting and tense, and I love the Ork codex with all my big green heart.
-I love Fantasy for the number of army achetypes and how well it translates into narrative and campaign play. I also love the customisable heroes.
-I love pretty much all the specialist games, but especially BFG and Necromunda.
I hate some of the more stupid pricing decisions GW has made, like $22 for 10 guardsmen up from $35 for 20, or upping the price of metal/plastic hybrid marine boxes (particularly iron warriors or iron hands) from $35 to $40 to $45.
I like GW's models and the 40k universe in general.
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Vladsimpaler wrote:The GW "Hobby", as it were, is merely an attempt by the corporation to shut out all other miniature wargames. By calling it the "GW Hobby" just makes people believe that GW is all there is. Why does GW sell its own glue, its own dirt, spraypaint, and all that other crap? Because it doesn't want people to realize that there is anything better.
This is why I hate it when people call it the GW Hobby. It's just a miniature wargame hobby, not a GW hobby.
In this regard they remind me of the WWF of the 1980's, trying to act like they are the only show in town.
But I do like their models, the background, the rules, etc. But I don't buy from them directly and I am not above using other companies models in my armies or in my conversions (their IP policy about conversions be damned). And I definitely am not paying $6 for a bottle of GW white glue when I can get them for less than $1 at Walmart!
I love the fluff of the 40k grimdark. I love space elves riding dinosaurs and mutating bugs eating the atmosphere off planets. I love rotting corpses kept alive for millenia by forgotten technology. I smile in the morning because a group of people managed to put all my favorite sci-fi and fantasy in a blender and serve it up to me as a satisfying and frothy smoothie. I love this.
I do not love that the same company that once said, "if you can bung it together and give it a name, use it in the game!" now says, "if it's not at least 60% of our trademarked materials then you are forbidden from using it even if we have rules for it and don't make (and will never make) a model for it. You are also forbidden from saying that any model that you have bunged together is representative of a model that our company manufactures and if you do so (or anything else that we may or may not like), we may take legal action as a corrective measure."
It won't stop me from playing 40K or reading novels or codeci. It will have me look for cheaper alternatives to items that the company offers like glue, sand, grass, greenstuff. It will also have me buying the more affordable models and converting them into significantly pricier ones. I will continue my crusade to play this game on the cheap - with or without GW - and recruit as many sympathetic players to my cause as possible.
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I love the hypocracy in all of its forms. I love being treated like a shill, and I love the 50.00 price for a box of 5 terminators that were metal, then plastic and even more overtly overpriced.
I earned my right to be pissed by being a steady player for over 15 or so years. I have a couple of armies, several more that are in need of my attention, and several of the "Specailist" games. I absolutly love Necromunda, Gorkamorka, and Mordhiem.
I love it even more now because these games are actually interesting to play with the quality of figures that are out now based on the 30 model, 16 model, and now 10 models per box, regardless of the price.
I love overpaying for a game, going to a GW shop and listening to the prat kid actually try to sell me, and even after I tell them that I know what I'm looking for, I love being treated like a shill and being sold something I don't need when I go for something I really do need.
I love Jervis in all of his forms, and I love the fact that past GW employees have branched off to bring on thier own succesful competition. And finally, I absolutly love that a compnay can do no wrong in peoples eyes, when they clamp down on valid fans and players and cry about "Protecting thier IP" when the entire company was built on ripping off D and D and repackaging it in miniature form.
As for being Loveable? They are sqeezably soft, and lovable, and huggable. I shall call them GW. I will pet them, and feed them, and clean them.
Thank you sirs, may I have another!
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At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
I love... well, none of it. The fluff is highly pretentious but insufficiently grimdark and contains the best ideas they could steal without getting sued. and Multilasers.
I do love the fact that they can infringe other people's IP and then throw screaming fits at the infringement of 'theirs'.
Now that's naked, towering, greed and hypocrisy which I admire in a corporation. They should be more honest about it though, like their backers, Weyland-Yutani and the Genom Corporation.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
The GW "Hobby", as it were, is merely an attempt by the corporation to shut out all other miniature wargames. By calling it the "GW Hobby" just makes people believe that GW is all there is. Why does GW sell its own glue, its own dirt, spraypaint, and all that other crap? Because it doesn't want people to realize that there is anything better.
This is why I hate it when people call it the GW Hobby. It's just a miniature wargame hobby, not a GW hobby.
Well if we were talking about Flames of War, I would refer to it as the FoW Hobby, all semantics.
I am in the Plastics business and sell about 40 types of plastics glue, but I like the stuff GW sells. Then again I use the Woodland Scenics Flock as it isa hell of alot cheaper for a huge container.
Prices are not that bad considering when you shop around and get 25% off. I can't do that with most other figure lines, at least the ones I want to buy. The 20-25% off really sets a new retail price but if you want you can buy direct.
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