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3 words for me:
Codex: Blood Angels.

They used to be cool too.

Hating the whole codex?

Yes, pretty much.

From the Blood Blood Blood Bloods to the Batnipple Armour to the "Lets be Friends with Necrons", it just made me sad.

But..but... blue is bestsest marines and wolf-wolf and blood-blood are soooooo creative.

1 Vote for "everyone wants to be like Ultras" then.

The "Planet Kill" book from BL.

I have never before regretted spending that small a sum of money.

Way to have stories that have absolutely nothing to do with the death of a planet in a book called planet kill.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned C.S. Goto's Blood Raven books. Those seem pretty universally panned.

Although I personally agree with Gwar!.

And lets not forget the obvious contradiction

I can't narrow my hatred to a single book. I despise everything written by c s goto so much that I refuse to properly puctuate or capitalize his name. His books are such trash it pains me to even credit him as a writer.

I have never read a Goto book, but judging from what reviews I have read, they essentially sum up as


Therefore, I will never read a Goto book, for fear of crapping my brain out of my eyes

S_P

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:The "Planet Kill" book from BL.

I have never before regretted spending that small a sum of money.

Way to have stories that have absolutely nothing to do with the death of a planet in a book called planet kill.

I liked it. A planet does die in every story.

If you've ever wondered what its like in The Eye of Terror or actually even the Warp its covered in there in a very poetic way to I might add. Highly recomend to all Chaos fans.
Considering almost all these stories are actualy fan fiction I was super impressed.

Fulgrim.

Seriously.

I was so disappointed with this. Fulgrim's was the most disappointing though. What a waste of a read.

To be honest, the entire HH series has been a bit of a letdown for me thus far. Mostly for lesser infractions of the above mentioned complaint. When they hit the bookstores, I thought 'Hey, we will get to see some new background revealed! How awesome is this?' but so far there has been very little new material of any interest added.

Just my opinion, though. I could be wrong.

The Blood Angels Codex. I sold my existing BA army, it was that bad.

Any books about Space Marines. Except perhaps the Crimson Fist one (Ryn's World?). IG books are generally decent enough.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:The "Planet Kill" book from BL.

I have never before regretted spending that small a sum of money.

Way to have stories that have absolutely nothing to do with the death of a planet in a book called planet kill.

I liked it. A planet does die in every story.

If you've ever wondered what its like in The Eye of Terror or actually even the Warp its covered in there in a very poetic way to I might add. Highly recomend to all Chaos fans.
Considering almost all these stories are actualy fan fiction I was super impressed.

First one was interesting and the last one a good read. But WTF was with the middle one? I really had absolutely no idea what was going on AT ALL.



It was without doubt THE most intelligble piece of writing I've ever seen, and I've been on the internet. Well, that and the Eldar Prophecy book, but that had some sort of storyline at least.

Emperors Faithful wrote:The Blood Angels Codex. I sold my existing BA army, it was that bad.

Any books about Space Marines. Except perhaps the Crimson Fist one (Ryn's World?). IG books are generally decent enough.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:The "Planet Kill" book from BL.

I have never before regretted spending that small a sum of money.

Way to have stories that have absolutely nothing to do with the death of a planet in a book called planet kill.

I liked it. A planet does die in every story.

If you've ever wondered what its like in The Eye of Terror or actually even the Warp its covered in there in a very poetic way to I might add. Highly recomend to all Chaos fans.
Considering almost all these stories are actualy fan fiction I was super impressed.

First one was interesting and the last one a good read. But WTF was with the middle one? I really had absolutely no idea what was going on AT ALL.

Spoiler:

Planet looking for it's master, crushes things/people/ships and gak, Inquistor freak battle at the end Dues Ex Machina, then...

It was without doubt THE most intelligble piece of writing I've ever seen, and I've been on the internet. Well, that and the Eldar Prophecy book, but that had some sort of storyline at least.

Oh I agree. I treated the whole thing as an acid induced poem. I usually dispise poetry but poem about Eye of terror. Worked for me.
I guess basically BL books can end up being pigeon-holed as all the same: people being shot in the face. To that I say read Planetkill.

Regarding Kroot:


[That one early HH novel]:


Hellforged:


The fact that bolters have such low ammunition capacities. Understandably, Astartes can demonstrate superhuman accuracy, and it's logical to conclude that they make every shot count, not to mention the fact that SMs are assault/shock forces, but if there's one thing that can stop an offensive faster than a strong enemy defense, it's improper logistical support. Regardless of how effective the rounds are, it would be a show-stopper, imo, to have a bolt pistol carrying only around ten rounds.

Gaunt's Ghosts:
When you consider much crap they've had to go through, how many times they've saved the day, you would expect every single member of the regiment to be given Inquisitor-caliber augmentations and juvenat treatments, and have their great-great-great-great-great-great-grand-children absolutely financially secured for life, but instead they are continuously placed in these hellhole warfronts. Granted, if they "weren't", we wouldn't have such kick-ass novels to read, but still.

For me, most of The Battle For the Abyss, HH novel.

In regard to Gaunt's Ghosts, that's the life of a Guardsmen for you. Fantastic feats of heroism demonstrated daily, meager recognition.

Ronin-Sage wrote:[That one early HH novel]:

Spoiler:

The unmatched idiocy of that one Luna Wolf who fell to Chaotic influence and decided to pilfer that one weapon from the Technocracy(?)'s armory. If you think about it, had that not occurred, none of the subsequent events could have occurred either. Essentially, that douchebag is the reason the future is grim-dark.

You mean the Word Bearer Chaplain who stole the anatheme from the museum of the interex? And planted it on the moon of Davin, and later interceded with Horus on behalf of the Ruinous Powers? The one with the Book of Lorgar tattoo'd on his skull, the book that turns out to be an invocation to the Ruinous Powers? That Luna Wolf? You didn't need spoiler tags, you need misinformation tags.

I'll add that I don't like how Iacton "The Half-Heard" Qruze is a Terran veteran in "Horus Rising" but has transfigured himself into a Cthonian veteran by "Galaxy in Flames".

In recent times sons of dorn was the worst book I've read in a while. (I avoid GOing TO the obvious bad ones.)

But it felt uninteresting and also like a direct copy of the original space marine.. I mean seriously, its the same chapter even.

Wolf on wolfs with wolf claws is worst then all of that.. they stole the khorne's codex.

Eh, pretty much all of it is tripe to be honest, I don't think that I really like most of the new background. Some of it is kind of cool, like the Imperial Armor stuff, but a lot of it is just meh.

@ Shaman- Where did you get your avatar? Like could you link a bigger picture of it?

Legion was a horrible book could not stand it.

Commander Endova wrote:I'm surprised no one's mentioned C.S. Goto's Blood Raven books. Those seem pretty universally panned.

Although I personally agree with Gwar!.

Spoiler:

Blood Angels and Necrons! Super Secret Unicorn Pony Friends for Life!!!

And lets not forget the obvious contradiction

Spoiler:

where the Ad Mech hates the BA for not giving them the Baal Predator STC, but is all like "Hey guise, wanna fly my new super-awesome airplane?"

have you considered that..

I dislike C.S Goto,Blood Angel Codex and that piece of fluff about Calgar when it's said that he doesn't jump for cover.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:The Blood Angels Codex. I sold my existing BA army, it was that bad.

Any books about Space Marines. Except perhaps the Crimson Fist one (Ryn's World?). IG books are generally decent enough.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Golden Eyed Scout wrote:The "Planet Kill" book from BL.

I have never before regretted spending that small a sum of money.

Way to have stories that have absolutely nothing to do with the death of a planet in a book called planet kill.

I liked it. A planet does die in every story.

If you've ever wondered what its like in The Eye of Terror or actually even the Warp its covered in there in a very poetic way to I might add. Highly recomend to all Chaos fans.
Considering almost all these stories are actualy fan fiction I was super impressed.

First one was interesting and the last one a good read. But WTF was with the middle one? I really had absolutely no idea what was going on AT ALL.

Spoiler:

Planet looking for it's master, crushes things/people/ships and gak, Inquistor freak battle at the end Dues Ex Machina, then...

It was without doubt THE most intelligble piece of writing I've ever seen, and I've been on the internet. Well, that and the Eldar Prophecy book, but that had some sort of storyline at least.

Oh I agree. I treated the whole thing as an acid induced poem. I usually dispise poetry but poem about Eye of terror. Worked for me.
I guess basically BL books can end up being pigeon-holed as all the same: people being shot in the face. To that I say read Planetkill.

Planet kill wasn't half bad. Worst bit of fluff has to be Sons of Dorn. C.S Goto isn't half bad imo

Anything by Goto, esp. all his Slaanesh worshipping Eldar, esp. the fat drooling(!) child molesting Slaanesh worshipping Farseer.

Anything written by Bill King. In some ways, he's just as bad as Goto. I can't talk about what he did to the Space Wolves, it's too much.

Emperors Faithful wrote:In regard to Gaunt's Ghosts, that's the life of a Guardsmen for you. Fantastic feats of heroism demonstrated daily, meager recognition.

Exactly. The best you can ask for after heroic actions is not to be executed for being witness to a deamon/alien/something you weren't supposed to know about.

Okay, I haven't read that much of CS Goto's work. Is it really all that bad? The only thing I have read by him, actually, is the short story The Tower from Let the Galaxy Burn.

But it seems like everyone is heaping a big pile of 'I hate Goto' up here. Are there any specific reasons?

Nurglitch wrote:

Ronin-Sage wrote:[That one early HH novel]:

Spoiler:

The unmatched idiocy of that one Luna Wolf who fell to Chaotic influence and decided to pilfer that one weapon from the Technocracy(?)'s armory. If you think about it, had that not occurred, none of the subsequent events could have occurred either. Essentially, that douchebag is the reason the future is grim-dark.

You mean the Word Bearer Chaplain who stole the anatheme from the museum of the interex? And planted it on the moon of Davin, and later interceded with Horus on behalf of the Ruinous Powers? The one with the Book of Lorgar tattoo'd on his skull, the book that turns out to be an invocation to the Ruinous Powers? That Luna Wolf? You didn't need spoiler tags, you need misinformation tags.

I'll add that I don't like how Iacton "The Half-Heard" Qruze is a Terran veteran in "Horus Rising" but has transfigured himself into a Cthonian veteran by "Galaxy in Flames".

Wow, no need to be an ass about that mistake.

The massive hate-on that the Black Library in general has for the Sisters of Battle.

On the plus side, there's been two short stories (one good, very good, in fact), one novel (quite poor) and one comic which was unfinished and might actually be mythical anyway - few claim to have ever seen it, though many have searched.

This is the sum-total of BLs output about the Sisters.

Wherever else they appear in BL products they are generally portrayed very badly.

It varies of course - in the Grey Knight serries the sisters are portrayed as a bit pointless, but more or less competant. Other series (I'm looking at you, Mitchel) make them out to be brainless psychos genuinely too unintelligent to wear helmets. Not to mention subject to exactly the sort of psyker powers that do not work in their presence.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Eh, pretty much all of it is tripe to be honest, I don't think that I really like most of the new background. Some of it is kind of cool, like the Imperial Armor stuff, but a lot of it is just meh.

@ Shaman- Where did you get your avatar? Like could you link a bigger picture of it?

http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=166738&page=6

scroll down that link.

C.S. Goto, no exceptions. I can never forgive him for the transforming Razorback.