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Sheesh, I'm still rather new to the game and it's fluff, but after reading all of this I WANT to read the novels just to see what crazy stuff I can pull out of the books.

After reading some BL books you will be able to transform razorbacks into land raiders and back again, perform numerous backflips over the enemy and shoot multilazors out of your eyes. Or so they say.

My worst one was Cain's Last Stand

The overall story is kinda ok, the basis is fine, but it drags on with unecessary chat with little action.



The ending really let it down, as it reeks of "we're running out of paper so make up something to end it in a couple of sentences!"

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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Horus Rising would have placed number 1 on the New York Times Bestseller list and most of the HH books would placed too but due to some technical reason BL aren't counted.

Would be interested to see a source on that, I wasn't able to find anything about it through Google. Even if it is the case, though, I would refer to the statement I followed my first one with - a lot of people paying money for something doesn't make it good.

Agreed. Lot crappy books get number one on the bestseller list. Pretty much whatever came out that week. Ditto on Movies.

Honestly, the one bit of fluff that pisses me off more than anything was the retconning (or whatever the hell they are trying to do) of Ollanius Pius.

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Kogwar wrote:SO you are saying that a book that was on the top of the new york times best seller charts was awful and the fact that it won awards was a mistake i for one am a wide read person and find the books quit delightful and think the author do a good job relating you to the characters so that you care when they die it ties themes from many types of literatures such as epics and Greek tragedies. While it is not the best in the world I think the series is the best they have done to date and please do not think i am trying to stop on your opinion but i strongly disagree.

Dude...for a "wide read" person, you don't seem to know much about punctuation. I appreciate that English might not be your first language, but this is an English language forum, with rules regarding such things; and you can't and shouldn't expect anyone to read your opinion unless you express it in a way that doesn't make people's eyes hurt.

Personally, my least favourite piece of fluff is the fact that the most awesome Primarch, Night Haunter, is dead.

Sry sometimes when i go on a rant my punctuation goes to hell, though i did run that through word.

Though i can agree on the nighthaunter part I hated that to and also what happened to Alpharus and his bro.

Brother Heinrich wrote:I wasn't a big fan on Sons of Dorn, I wish scouts could be that awesome, but I mean really? those of you who've read this will know what I'm talking about. Oh and the author's penchant for constantly refering to the title, as if the reader didn't already know who they were reading about....THE SONS OF DORN! omg no way!

Yeah i know i wish my marines could use a overloading plasma gun as a grenade.

I think all and all it is good we have bl to write these storys as opossed to games like Warmachine or hoards that are good but have no support in the fluff dipartment at all. At least that was the case last time i checked.

I personally hated the book faith and fire, it made absolutely no sense! I mean they basically call the emperor a heretic.


I mean when this happens ( been awhile I dont know exact quotes but seriously....)



Some seriously screwed up fluff, crazy bolter B*tches




*Sorry didnt mean to pull up an old thread!!! didnt realize i was on page two =P*

The chaos codex ( yes the whole book ) i retired my whole chaos army to its case and vowed that till it is fixed, they will not see the light of day

darkangels_rule wrote:The chaos codex ( yes the whole book ) i retired my whole chaos army to its case and vowed that till it is fixed, they will not see the light of day

You are not the only one.

Lucky for me my FLGS still allows the old codex to be played if your opponent gives the ok. And since everyone around here knows that chaos got shafted pretty hard.... nobody says no.

Yes now it works!

the worst ever book released by the whole GW franchise was 'Mark of Chaos', a spin off from a video game (!). Sure, its FB, but still... In this tragic abomination a fiarly major supporting character (an elf) is killed twice by different people! Now, I know what you're thinking. Maybe a wizzerd dunnit? No - just plain old poor editing. As a SF writer meself this kind of garbage really steams my proverbial tortellini (that's not quite a dirty euphemism). Would any of the publishing houses I get rejection letters from put up with a plot hole so large that it's navigible by merchant shipping? Heck no!
Just to reiterate, a fairly major named character clearly dies TWICE in battle with two different warriors. Ouch.

As for bad 40k - I just hated the credibility gap between 'Eisenhorn' and 'Ravenor'. There's a downhill slope there too steep for bobsledding. Oh, and the new chaos codex. Cue the comic book guy...


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PS - I'd use the spoiler thingy but I'm trying to save you 2 bucks fiddy on buying this sad waste of tree pulp

aderdere wrote:I personally hated the book faith and fire, it made absolutely no sense! I mean they basically call the emperor a heretic.

I mean when this happens ( been awhile I dont know exact quotes but seriously....)

Spoiler:

"he saw the machine and instantly knew it was created by the emperor" and then "She knew it must be destroyed"

Some seriously screwed up fluff, crazy bolter B*tches

It's a poor book on almost every level (not the least being that the author just cannot write dialogue worth a damn, or so it would seem.)

And it gets worse. Sandy 'I hate Sororitas' Mitchel is writing the prequel.

Sandy Mitchel hates Sororitas? He's only written that one "Chaos pwn sisters" piece. Give him a chance will ya.
To be fair at least he mentioned them at all and felt that they were worthy enough to even write in a piece of fluff. Most writers don't even take that step.

Some people seem not to understand why a pragmatic light-hearted coward like Ciaphas Cain is not a friend of over-zealous fanatics like Sororitas and why the author celebrates this conflict in his humourous novel.

Oh, sorry. Wrong guy.
Yeah, from Ciaphas Cain's perspective, dissing SoB's makes perfect sense.

Okay - 'hate' is a strong word. Mitchel probably doesn't hate Sororitas - but he certainly doesn't like them - or more accurately, I think he just doesn't get them.

I understand why Cain doesn't like Sororitas, but whenever they're mentioned there's a strong subtext that he's right about them. Mitchel appears to agree with Cain that they are frothy-mouthed loonies too stupid to wear helmets and too unreliable to protect a temple full of civilians.

It's unfortunate because, Sororitas apart, Mitchel seems to be unique amongst the BL stable in portraying all the armies as cool. He's about the only one that still treats Necrons as terrifying unknown horrors from beyond time - he really sells the fascinating inhumanness of the Eldar and the almighty technology of the Tau. He maintains the flavour of Orks without making them jokes. But somehow, he just does not seem to respect the Sisters of Battle...

I shall instantly retract these claims if his prequel turns out to be fair. I like his writing. I wish he'd write a Necron book - that is something he could do with aplomb.

If I loved the Romans, I wouldn't read Asterix comics. They are not treated with due respect there.
Guess it's the format of the Cain novels that urges Mitchell to make Sororitas look like a good victim for jokes.

Kroothawk wrote:Some people seem not to understand why a pragmatic light-hearted coward like Ciaphas Cain is not a friend of over-zealous fanatics like Sororitas and why the author celebrates this conflict in his humourous novel.

Well, there is Sister Julian (Cain's Last Stand)

Azezel wrote:... they are frothy-mouthed loonies too stupid to wear helmets and too unreliable to protect a temple full of civilians.

Can you honestly disagree with this?

How do I read this spoiler stuff? Highlight what how?

OK, check that. I figured it out.


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"I hated that to and also what happened to Alpharus and his bro."

What have you read that I have not?
One of the things that bugged me as an Alpha Legion player reading Legion

I don't know what the exact sources are, but pretty much everything about Alpharius and Omegon make my brain hurt in ways I did not think possible. Seriously, I cannot make heads or tails of any of their fluff (That I have read thus far)

Blood angels make friends with Necrons! for sake , what a load of crap!

If the non-aggression between the Necrons and the Blood Angels in that instance counts as friendship, then I made friends with my second steak last night. Me and my steak, we have friendship rings and everything. It's awesome.

I understand the idea of a Nid fleet getting cuaght in the middle of the fighting, so that both sides had no option but to face this new threat. But the BA codex portrays it as if they fought together side by side and then they left on good terms, becuase the BA weren't keen to fight thier previous bestest buddies.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I understand the idea of a Nid fleet getting cuaght in the middle of the fighting, so that both sides had no option but to face this new threat. But the BA codex portrays it as if they fought together side by side and then they left on good terms, becuase the BA weren't keen to fight thier previous bestest buddies.

Just wait until the Necron Codex comes out and it's retconned to the Blood Angels angrily attempted to assault the necrons while frothing bat-nipple-foam from their mouths and were handily dealt with by one Necron Warrior.

COuld some one explain the necron bl frensihp thing ot me i have can't find it.

Kogwar wrote:COuld some one explain the necron bl frensihp thing ot me i have can't find it.

confused me too but I just found it. I wouldn't call them bffs though.
BA codex page 16, the Gehenna campaign

The James Swallow Blood Angel books are pure and utter drek.

Nurglitch wrote:If the non-aggression between the Necrons and the Blood Angels in that instance counts as friendship, then I made friends with my second steak last night. Me and my steak, we have friendship rings and everything. It's awesome.

Yes, but they just made the history of the Emo Angels even crappier. Did anyone really need that?

Emperors Faithful wrote:becuase the BA weren't keen to fight thier previous bestest buddies.

Internet Hyperbole, FTW