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Gwar! wrote:
5 words for me:
Codex: Golden Nipple Twilight Marines

They used to be cool too.

Slightly modified to fit my extensive hatred, Humanities arguably 2nd most xenophobic (inquisition ranks #1) forces (SMs in general) teaming up with a force designed to have no soul or emotion programmed to harvest life for the C'Tan? THEN simply patting each other on the butt & saying good-game after the battle & heading their separate ways? Excuse me I'm calling B.S.

Also on Goto, the khornate sorcerer

Oh, this is my kind of thread! It no particular order;

Dawn of War by CS Goto
It's the only CS Goto book I've read, and apparently it's one of his better books. It has a Blood Raven surfing down a river of blood on a Razorback. Also some CSM eat some Eldar, then complain about the taste. A single guardsmen kills several CSM by jumping on their shoulders and shooting them in the head with a hellgun. I'm trying to remember more, but there's a lot of cauterised scar tissue around the part of my brain that remembers stuff CS Goto wrote.

Every single thing Matt Ward has ever written.
Mary Calgar catching a wailing doom in his fist. Necrons and Blood Angles deciding to give peace a chance. To start.

Flight of the Eisenstein
Super Mary Sue marine away! Watch him fight and beat a Plaguemarine! In a fistfight! On the surface of the moon! Without a helmet! Also his ship gets caught in the warp without it's Gellar field, but it's okay because he kills all of the daemons. I resent language itself for physically being capable of forming the words that make up this book.

Brotherhood of the Snake
I haven't actually read this book, so this is possibly unfair. I have read a fairly comprehensive synopsis though. It involved a squad of Space Marines killing 5000 Dark Eldar Warriors without taking a single casualty. Space Marines who, after they run out of ammunition, go on to kill Orks in close-combat by fighting in a phalanx formation. Yeah.

Jimsolo wrote:Okay, I haven't read that much of CS Goto's work. Is it really all that bad? The only thing I have read by him, actually, is the short story The Tower from Let the Galaxy Burn.

But it seems like everyone is heaping a big pile of 'I hate Goto' up here. Are there any specific reasons?

He makes errors on the most basic things.

I have one of his books. Wasn't a bad read if you ignore lots of the stupid stuff.

C.S. Goto - how he gets paid I have no idea.

Gav Thorpe - His books aren't badly written they are just a waste of £5.00. YMMV but I really thought his HH DA would be better.

Jimsolo wrote:Okay, I haven't read that much of CS Goto's work. Is it really all that bad? The only thing I have read by him, actually, is the short story The Tower from Let the Galaxy Burn.

But it seems like everyone is heaping a big pile of 'I hate Goto' up here. Are there any specific reasons?

http://forums.relicnews.com/archive/index.php/t-77273.html
I didn't read it before posting, but I do agree with the 1st line so it can't be too off.

And this discussion. http://forum.emperorschildren.net/viewtopic.php?t=1123&sid=63ce980120915da5557b70b6d682bba9

I urge everyone to sign this http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stopgoto/

I hate pretty much hate any Space marine fluff in the codexes, because they're filled to the brim with Mary Sue-ism and just plain bull****

Some IG novels were just painful... Ice Guard comes to mind off the top of my head, there are definitely more.

IG novels are more or less better than SM novels. YMMV.

The Space Wolf Novels in particular were gash.

'Oh hello there, Im Ragnar Blackmane, the only emo Space Wolf in a Chapter full of schoolboys who make fart jokes'

I thought Mechanicum was quite weak aswell. Dalia & that guy whos name I cant even remember falling in love was so sickly & contrived.

In fact, while Im on it, Fulgrim dealt pretty poorly with sex aswell.

Pretty much every incident involving an eldar avatar has resulted in it dying in ridiculous ways.

Fulgrim and Codex: Space Marines i'm looking at you!

Exor wrote:Pretty much every incident involving an eldar avatar has resulted in it dying in ridiculous ways.

Fulgrim and Codex: Space Marines i'm looking at you!

Aye, agreed.

Also, that Flag, Jersey?

Yeah! I didn't think anyone really recognised our flag

The entirety of Sons of Malice fluff. It's even worse than the Sanctuary 101 fluff, as at least in the latter it was KINDA justified because they were caught completely off-guard and it was probably not even mostly full Battle Sisters, given the name of the shrine. The former, however, had a large force of Celestians wiped out and sacrificed to the Chaos gods without doing any notable damage, when the Celestians were the ones attacking.

For reference, that's like having an SM force made entirelly out of sternguard veterans and vanguard veterans be wiped out by the enemy they were attacking, without doing any real damage to them. Veterans of countless wars, the best fighters in an order/chapter, equipped with special/heavy weapons-- and yet it's as if their attack didn't take place at all. It's a trashy piece of fanwank for the writer's favorite renegades faction, and yet somehow it made its way into index astartes. GW dropped the ball, then kicked it into a sewer drainage pipe and let it sit there for a few weeks fermenting.

Hey whoever mentioned the general fate of Eldar Avatars don't forget in the Tyranid Codex a mighty ELDAR AVATAR appears to defend some craftworld and is described as being ripped apart by some random Carnifex in a few seconds.

Gwar! wrote:Yes, pretty much.

From the Blood Blood Blood Bloods to the Batnipple Armour to the "Lets be Friends with Necrons", it just made me sad.

Agree, Blood Angels are the worst codex ever!

Exor wrote:Pretty much every incident involving an eldar avatar has resulted in it dying in ridiculous ways.

Fulgrim and Codex: Space Marines i'm looking at you!

Well, in all fairness Fulgrim was a primarch wielding a weapon containing a daemon of such power that it had apparently succeeded in enslaving an entire alien race through nothing save sheer force of will.

Calgar on the other hand... was not.

The BA codex was fine as a PDF, it just needed the wargear updated. Now it is garbage. Mephiston is a Daemon Prince, he just doesn't know it yet??? How does that match any of the Black Library's fluff so far? While we're on that, James Swallow has forever perverted Blood Angels with his books. Did he ever READ their original fluff? And what is with Bile?

every line of Dialogue the Ultramarines utter in any Graham Mcneill book.

Darkchild

I agree Darkchild, Dead sky black sun was awesome but Uriel and Pasanius...Something was missing

Also from said book how the Feth did Berossus (a massive, veteran dreadnought) get defeated by a daemon marine with cat claws?

Aside from that it was great

I offer you the Deus Sanguinius series by James Swallow. How this drek ever made it out is beyond me. In 2 books, Swallow kills 2/3rds of the BA chapter, destroys a battlebarge, tries to rebirth sanguinius and as the biggest blasphemy, allows a Blood Angel to overcome the Black Rage aka Mephiston.

I'll agree that Battle for the Abyss was absolute drek as was Fulgrim in the HH but I think the book that takes the cake is Daemon World. This book made no sense and was like watching a train wreck take place.

The Iron Snake book I will stand up for though and say it was an excellent book. Whoever told you that they kill 5000 DE is way off. It is one marine against like 6 or 7 of them.

Maybe they were referring to the part where the DE were fleeing the city they rigged to explode? The squad killed around 1kish or something without taking casualties. But regardless it brothers of the snake was a good book,he'lll it was abnett after all. I'll even let the phalanx formation bs orks slide cause the fight sequence itself was well written IMHO.

Melissia wrote:The entirety of Sons of Malice fluff. It's even worse than the Sanctuary 101 fluff, as at least in the latter it was KINDA justified because they were caught completely off-guard and it was probably not even mostly full Battle Sisters, given the name of the shrine. The former, however, had a large force of Celestians wiped out and sacrificed to the Chaos gods without doing any notable damage, when the Celestians were the ones attacking.

For reference, that's like having an SM force made entirelly out of sternguard veterans and vanguard veterans be wiped out by the enemy they were attacking, without doing any real damage to them. Veterans of countless wars, the best fighters in an order/chapter, equipped with special/heavy weapons-- and yet it's as if their attack didn't take place at all. It's a trashy piece of fanwank for the writer's favorite renegades faction, and yet somehow it made its way into index astartes. GW dropped the ball, then kicked it into a sewer drainage pipe and let it sit there for a few weeks fermenting.

The Sons of Malice are badass. And Celestians aren't as powerful of Sternguard or Vanguard. Though I agree it was fanwanked. On the note of surprise, the sisters of battle teleported right in the middle of them in a huge ritual, and if you've read The Labryinth it's reasonable to assume that this was a ritual for the chaos power Malice, as they also om nom nom for him in that tale. So it would be reasonable to assume that they had some psychic support from him?

somecallmeJack wrote:I thought Mechanicum was quite weak aswell. Dalia & that guy whos name I cant even remember falling in love was so sickly & contrived.

I actually liked Mechanicum, though I'll freely admit the poorly developed romance subplot kind of came out of nowhere and didn't go much of anywhere.

Vladsimpaler wrote:@ Shaman- Where did you get your avatar? Like could you link a bigger picture of it?

Never mind that, I've been wanting to ask templeorks about his for a while now!

One of the Gaunt's Ghosts books spoke well of the SoBs, though admittedly it was only in a vision or two.

The best I can do is that I didn't like the way the last Inquisition War (old, I know) book, Chaos Child just kinda fizzled out into pointlessness towards the end. Plus the ending was just ... well, the author just kinda put it down and walked away from it. I guess I haven't read enough of anything to get a full-on hatred of someone's work or a particularly bad story/plot element. But thanks to you guys, I know some things to avoid!

"Transforming razorback?" Are you serious?!??

I agree about chaos child. Started off well and kinda went down hill

Not really, considering that Malal doesn't exist in 40k.

I hate in galexy in flames when . I don't hate the book which was awsome but i do hate the arguments it has starte din my group. Uggh i am telling you But i digress i also understand why .
And lastly what do you mean necrons and ba's are buds???

Kogwar wrote:I hate in galexy in flames when

Spoiler:

Loken is motally injured by Abbadon

. I don't hate the book which was awsome but i do hate the arguments it has starte din my group. Uggh i am telling you

Spoiler:

Loken did not die.

But i digress i also understand why

Spoiler:

fulgrim was so easy to turn it was because the freekin greater deamon in his sword.

.
And lest ly what do you mean necrons and ba's are buds???

Melissia wrote:GW dropped the ball, then kicked it into a sewer drainage pipe and let it sit there for a few weeks fermenting.

I know I'm taking the above quote out-of-context but it is exactly how I feel about my beloved Mantis Warriors. Been playing 'em 20+ years with nothing but a picture and a couple of paragraphs to go on. Now they finally get some pseudo-official treatment and it's Goto. Frelling Goto... And if Goto get's the boot, then any hope of seeing my chapter get some kind of official treatment get's the boot as well. Kind of a lose-lose situation. Frell!