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I just torrented the old version of the Chaos Codex, and I have to say that I absolutely loved it. I was looking through and I loved how each legion was accurately represented by unique abilities, units and weapons, such as the Alpha Legion: They had unique access to Chaos Cultists, which were essentially Renegade Guardsmen in a frenzy. You could create a true Chaos Lord, with Daemonic abilities and upgrades which allow you to intergrate him into your fluff. Now compare that to the new Chaos Codex, and you'll see why I would like to take a hammer to the testicles of the guy who thought that it needed to change. The new Codex has removed every bit of originality that the old one was rich of. I swear you could mistake it for the vanilla Marine 'dex. It is almost exactly the same except for a few new units. The only thing that can give a Chaos Lord a bit of unique-ness is a Mark and a Daemon Weapon, which gives a plain generic ablity, whereas in the previous edition, I could have a Chaos Lord with a guard Spawn, Daemonic Talons, an Axe of Khorne, Kai Gun or something else from the huge abundance of wargear options.

Now I've calmed down a bit, why exactly did GW decide to change the huge wealth of fun that was old Codex into the excuse of a book that they call the 5th Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex?

I've heard rumor that it was due to the simplification and streamlining kick they were on between 4th and 5th, but I wasn't around at the time so who knows.

It was Jervisified. It was a horrible period where every new book was extremly boring and lacked options. The Blood Angel pdf codex is another example of this horrible period. At that time, you didn't look forward to your army getting updated, you were scared as hell for Jervis and his eraser

Illumini wrote:It was Jervisified. It was a horrible period where every new book was extremly boring and lacked options. The Blood Angel pdf codex is another example of this horrible period. At that time, you didn't look forward to your army getting updated, you were scared as hell for Jervis and his eraser

Oh god I hope that period ends some time soon.

It ended with codex: deamons, where people actually got alot of choice again, so no worries, the new chaos codex is going to rock! (unless Jervis manages to get his filthy pawns on the next codex)


Edit: The chaos dex is not a 5th ed codex. It's a 4th ed thing. The first codex built with 5th ed in mind was codex:deamons (or maybe orks, I think deamons were first).

They should've just let Codex Chaos Marines use The Daemon codex as allies a la The inquisition books.

Illumini wrote:The chaos dex is not a 5th ed codex. It's a 4th ed thing. The first codex built with 5th ed in mind was codex:deamons (or maybe orks, I think deamons were first).

Orks were built with 5th in mind, I don't know if they came before or after daemons.

Gavo wrote:

Illumini wrote:The chaos dex is not a 5th ed codex. It's a 4th ed thing. The first codex built with 5th ed in mind was codex:deamons (or maybe orks, I think deamons were first).

Orks were built with 5th in mind, I don't know if they came before or after daemons.

I'm pretty sure Orks came first.

Orks came first (January 08), then Daemons (May 08) as the last 4th Ed codex. Daemons are probably as much written with 5th in mind as orks, if not more.

Valkyrie wrote:I just torrented the old version of the Chaos Codex,

why exactly did GW decide to change the huge wealth of fun that was old Codex into the excuse of a book that they call the 5th Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex?

GW IP police will be knocking on your door soon...

When GW found out that most players weren't building or playing their armies properly, and that complexity for complexity's sake didn't actually create "fun".

Ah, so you're that person. Okay

Anyway, I also hate the new codex, and I've been mix-matching elements of both in private games. It's all good fun

A new chaos codex will probably be a long time away as Jervis will want to update every Loyalist Army first (DA, BT, WH. DH) >_>. That being said, I'm hoping for a PDF codex that has amended rules, kind of like a CSM codex 4.5.

I was actually reading the Daemons codex last night. It appears that some of the daemonic upgrades from CSM 3.5 have migrated over to the Daemons codex. I am kind of jealous as the passive upgrades were the best thing in the previous book. I liked to power stack them and create 200 point powerhouses.

Hopefully the next CSM book brings back passive upgrades but hopefully without cheese.

Valkyrie wrote:

Illumini wrote:It was Jervisified. It was a horrible period where every new book was extremly boring and lacked options. The Blood Angel pdf codex is another example of this horrible period. At that time, you didn't look forward to your army getting updated, you were scared as hell for Jervis and his eraser

Oh god I hope that period ends some time soon.

That's funny, I looked forward to the Inquisition being removed from my third edition Sisters of Battle codex.

Tell you what is really unhelpful? tau codex.

SM 4th edition also had way more info than the 5th, i like fluff, and they removed a ton of it, so gay.

I'd like to see a new csm codex. the new one is absolutly terrible

When I first read the current Tau book I was like where the hell is Anghkor Prok and Aun'Shi? They were favourites of mine.

Melissia wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

Illumini wrote:It was Jervisified. It was a horrible period where every new book was extremly boring and lacked options. The Blood Angel pdf codex is another example of this horrible period. At that time, you didn't look forward to your army getting updated, you were scared as hell for Jervis and his eraser

Oh god I hope that period ends some time soon.

That's funny, I looked forward to the Inquisition being removed from my third edition Sisters of Battle codex.

So do I. The inquisition is useless, just give us pure SoBS

Also, a SoB Terminator would require me to wash my pants

Samus_aran115 wrote:Also, a SoB Terminator would require me to wash my pants

Okaaaay......*creeps away slowly*

Valkyrie wrote:

Now I've calmed down a bit, why exactly did GW decide to change the huge wealth of fun that was old Codex into the excuse of a book that they call the 5th Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex?

Welcome to the realization all Chaos players had 3 years ago. The new codex just flat out sucks compared to the 3.5 version. Many of us still are very unhappy about it.

Whats funny is that under the current environment, especially considering 5th ed rules, the older codex would be a perfect fit into the current power struggle.

Iron Warriors would never get away with only having two units of 5 chaos marines as their only troops. Mishap could really screw with deamon bombs especially considering how the old deamon summoning rules worked. Running would help deamons since they can't shoot anyway. I think the old codex would play very well.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Also, a SoB Terminator would require me to wash my pants

That's what Repentia were originally going to be, but then they let their artists have fun with it and we ended up with fetish models instead.

Ha

Also,I allied celestine with some marines, just for kicks. My god she's amazing I'm taking her in every witch hunters list I make in the future.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Ha

Also,I allied celestine with some marines, just for kicks. My god she's amazing I'm taking her in every witch hunters list I make in the future.

She can be instantly killed in one hit by any weapon which is S6 or greater. Like, say... multi-lasers or autocannons. And she can be singled out in close combat. And when she dies, you lose faith points.

Don't take her unless you know full well what you're getting into, because she has way too many drawbacks.

Well that makes me sad

It really was a kick in the teeth when the current book came out. I would like to hope that with the general dislike and hate of the current book that it might make a new dex come out sooner but one can only hope.

I hope not. At least not until all the third edition codices are finished.

Wow i think the hardest hit dex was tau OMG its soooo thin... the fluff "area" total BS makes me sad....

Valkyrie wrote:

Illumini wrote:It was Jervisified. It was a horrible period where every new book was extremly boring and lacked options. The Blood Angel pdf codex is another example of this horrible period. At that time, you didn't look forward to your army getting updated, you were scared as hell for Jervis and his eraser

Oh god I hope that period ends some time soon.

This period has been over for a long time. The only books to get that simplified treatment were the Blood Angels pdf, Dark Angels, and Chaos Marines. They're back to a comfortable standard with rulebooks, and have been for a while.

Brother SRM wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:

Illumini wrote:It was Jervisified. It was a horrible period where every new book was extremly boring and lacked options. The Blood Angel pdf codex is another example of this horrible period. At that time, you didn't look forward to your army getting updated, you were scared as hell for Jervis and his eraser

Oh god I hope that period ends some time soon.

This period has been over for a long time. The only books to get that simplified treatment were the Blood Angels pdf, Dark Angels, and Chaos Marines. They're back to a comfortable standard with rulebooks, and have been for a while.

HOW COULD YOU LEAVE OUT TAU???

CSM Player: Wow this 3.5 dex is awesome!

*Jervis walks up and kicks player in the nuts*

CSM Player: WTF!

Jervis: You've been Jervisified!

I am so glad that people are using the word 'Jervisified'.

Remember kids:

Jervis [Jer-viss] Jer-vised, Jer-vis-i-fy, Jer-vis-i-fied, Jer-vis-i-fi-ca-tion
–verb
1. to remove options inherent in a list. // 2. to reduce existing sub-lists into a single list. // 3. To triple (or more) the amount of Special Characters in a Codex. // 4. To take away. // 5. To give what isn't wanted nor needed.

Origin: Mid-1980's, England, Nottingham

Synonyms: Bland, Blandify, Codex: Dark Angels (4th Edition)

Antonyms: Codex: Chaos Space Marines (3.5 Edition)

Melissia wrote:That's funny, I looked forward to the Inquisition being removed from my third edition Sisters of Battle codex.

The thread's about Chaos, and yet you can't resist having yet another dig at Inquisitorial players?

I wonder if this will be yet another thread where every second post belongs to you?