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The Jervis period ended, but his taint still roams GW. These days we have very stylish, flavorful armies and way too much power creep. I hypothesize a trend of 'new army book wins' until 6th comes out.

When it does end I hope it takes all the mandatory non-special Special Characters with it.

The old 3.5 ed CSM codex was fantastic, one of the best codices ever.

Now I've calmed down a bit, why exactly did GW decide to change the huge wealth of fun that was old Codex into the excuse of a book that they call the 5th Edition Chaos Space Marine Codex?

Well, just for simplicity reasons.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I am so glad that people are using the word 'Jervisified'.

Remember kids:

Jervis [Jer-viss] Jer-vised, Jer-vis-i-fy, Jer-vis-i-fied, Jer-vis-i-fi-ca-tion
–verb
1. to remove options inherent in a list. // 2. to reduce existing sub-lists into a single list. // 3. To triple (or more) the amount of Special Characters in a Codex. // 4. To take away. // 5. To give what isn't wanted nor needed.

Origin: Mid-1980's, England, Nottingham

Synonyms: Bland, Blandify, Codex: Dark Angels (4th Edition)

Antonyms: Codex: Chaos Space Marines (3.5 Edition)

LMAO . You sir are awesome!

And you, sir, raise an excellent point:

Iron Warriors: THOSE MOTHER-FETHING CAUTION STRIPES THEY WEAR ALL OVER THEIR ARMOUR!! Oh I hate those with such a passion. You're supposed to be the all-conquering seige specialists of chaos lads, not police crime scene investigators or construction workers. You're supposed to be tearing down the palace's of the false Emperor, not building one into a bypass of the A32...

I had never thought of it that way, and I play Iron Warriors (using the REAL Chaos Codex).

Little lord Fauntleroy coined that phrase. It made me laugh so much I had to put it on my sig. I never got the construction worker stripes on Iron Warriors.

I was going to get a big army of Chaos Marines, had it all planed out and I was just waiting for the new Codex to come out. then I bought Imperial Guard for the extra customization

Jervisification now belongs to my lexis.
However, there is not yet a German translation.

Jervisenstein.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Jervisenstein.

Lol. Sounds like a name. But nice try.

The only thing that keeps me going as an Iron Warriors player is the knowledge that, at some point, our codex will be updated to have more than half of its units actually be worth taking. (I AM LOOKING AT YOU HAVOCS!)

I don't think very many Chaos players think that they have the worst codex out there, as there are a couple truly competitive builds in there if you're willing to close your eyes to fluff. The codex has not aged well, though, and is starting to make the journey from "average" to "mediocre". I suspect by the time the DE/Necron/GK arc of codex releases is complete, Chaos is not going to be looking very good.

You've been Jervised... Just like my poor Tau codex. I played Chaos back in the glory days with my pure Khorn army. Ah, the good ol days.

I don't have any real experience of any previous chaos codexes to judge, but I'm okay with the current one, bland it may be, but I think it could be a lot worse.

apparently I missed out on all the fun of the old ones -_-

Bring back the anti-Jervis, Andy Chambers!!

The current one is garbage compared with the 3.5 ed one.

As a note, once I played in an RTT an EC army with 2 siren Lieutenants on bikes, 30 Daemonettes, 5 Daemonettes on steeds, Defiler and 3 Obliterators.

Guess who won the RTT. All other players were totally upset.

Guess why? The HQs turbo boosted first turn into the enemy lines. Next turn, the Daemonettes got summoned. In 4th turn, all games were over. Slaughter.

At least the current one doesn't leave people confused about the army list. For all its flaws, it is actually playable.

Playable? Yes, but there's no fun to play CSM anymore.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Melissia wrote:That's funny, I looked forward to the Inquisition being removed from my third edition Sisters of Battle codex.

The thread's about Chaos, and yet you can't resist having yet another dig at Inquisitorial players?

I wonder if this will be yet another thread where every second post belongs to you?

"Let's see... tyranid army.... modeling thread.... THREAD ABOUT CODEXES. Witch Hunters have a codex! Time to spread the hatred of Inquisition armies!"

wuestenfux wrote:Playable? Yes, but there's no fun to play CSM anymore.

That's arguable. I wouldn't know, I don't find them fun in EITHER book . But at least the new one has fewer arguments about what's legal.

That's not to say the old one wasn't better in many fashions (IE customizability), but the latter one is certainly better from the view of someone who doesn't play either. Sure, whenever they get their new codex, stuff should be added in, but that doesn't mean the newest CSM codex is entirely without merit.

Melissia wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Playable? Yes, but there's no fun to play CSM anymore.

That's arguable. I wouldn't know, I don't find them fun in EITHER book . But at least the new one has fewer arguments about what's legal.

That's not to say the old one wasn't better in many fashions (IE customizability), but the latter one is certainly better from the view of someone who doesn't play either. Sure, whenever they get their new codex, stuff should be added in, but that doesn't mean the newest CSM codex is entirely without merit.

Yes, and Us IG players got a codex done by some one that knew the difference between lead and erasers.

I'm about to "'Jervisify" this thread if it generates any more Mod Alerts...

Well, Iron Warriors were almost unstoppable in the 3.5 ed.
Indeed, they had access to 3x3 Obliterators in the elite section and HS units.
Other armies had only access to 3 Obliterators.

wuestenfux wrote:The current one is garbage compared with the 3.5 ed one.

As a note, once I played in an RTT an EC army with 2 siren Lieutenants on bikes, 30 Daemonettes, 5 Daemonettes on steeds, Defiler and 3 Obliterators.

Guess who won the RTT. All other players were totally upset.

Guess why? The HQs turbo boosted first turn into the enemy lines. Next turn, the Daemonettes got summoned. In 4th turn, all games were over. Slaughter.

And that army would not be nearly as effective under 5th ed rules. (BTW: True EC lists could not take obliterators as they could not take marks. Thus if you have them in the army you did not get the summoning bonus for the damonettes)

1 - The other guy could just stick everything in reserve. Now your damnonettes have nothing to kill.
2 - Mishap. Old deamon summoning rules had scatter. Bad scatter rolls could easily result in mishap issues.
3 - Rending nerf. Damonettes are now only 1/2 to 1/3 as good at killing things with rending, and cant touch AV14.
4 - Combat resolution modifiers would be murder against LD8 and instability.

The army would still be playable and work, but the fight would no longer be one sided.

Jayden63 wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:The current one is garbage compared with the 3.5 ed one.

As a note, once I played in an RTT an EC army with 2 siren Lieutenants on bikes, 30 Daemonettes, 5 Daemonettes on steeds, Defiler and 3 Obliterators.

Guess who won the RTT. All other players were totally upset.

Guess why? The HQs turbo boosted first turn into the enemy lines. Next turn, the Daemonettes got summoned. In 4th turn, all games were over. Slaughter.

And that army would not be nearly as effective under 5th ed rules. (BTW: True EC lists could not take obliterators as they could not take marks. Thus if you have them in the army you did not get the summoning bonus for the damonettes)

1 - The other guy could just stick everything in reserve. Now your damnonettes have nothing to kill.
2 - Mishap. Old deamon summoning rules had scatter. Bad scatter rolls could easily result in mishap issues.
3 - Rending nerf. Damonettes are now only 1/2 to 1/3 as good at killing things with rending, and cant touch AV14.
4 - Combat resolution modifiers would be murder against LD8 and instability.

The army would still be playable and work, but the fight would no longer be one sided.

In fact, it was not pure EC.
In that edition, it was not able to hold units back in reserve.
I remember that in each game I lost one or two units from scattering, e.g., the Obliterators vs. IG.
However, scattering was not such a problem since the Lieutenants had personal icons.
In the current incarnation of the game, the army would not be as nearly as good as it was.
By the way, I played it only once in an RTT. The other gamers would have killed me.

The moment I lost my chainaxes for my World Eaters I devoted my remaining days to utterly destroying the man responsible. You can take away my chainaxes but I'm taking something from you as well!

If you guys wanna see awsome just remembre this all these books, codex's and such are after GW's own words (The Books are just guidelines to follow not really rules the main purpose is to have fun). Try dusting off your old copy of Rouge Trader and build and army from scratch and yes its capable of having monsterous demon/champions 500+ and vehicles so big and powerful it leaves the emagination totally open. I am not a big fan of buying updated books/codex's every 3-5 yrs costing me $20-50 each time. But me being the loyal gamer I am I pay the money anyways just to play. Now all I really need is a bigger table lol 4x8 is perfect for me

candy.man wrote:n00b CSM Player: Wow this 3.5 dex is awesome!
Old CSM Player: WTF!

*Jervis walks up and kicks player in the nuts*

n00b CSM Player: WTF!
Old CSM Player: LOLZ!

FYP.

wuestenfux wrote:Jervisification now belongs to my lexis.
However, there is not yet a German translation.

Jervisst?

On topic, when the new CSM Codex came out, I died a little inside and hung up my 40K hat temporarily. Even as an utter newb (at the time), I saw the attrocities they did to that codex.

Kurgash wrote:The moment I lost my chainaxes for my World Eaters I devoted my remaining days to utterly destroying the man responsible. You can take away my chainaxes but I'm taking something from you as well!

What? Did chainaxes have a bonus at any point? They're just CCWs...

Evil Games Workshop leader : "Jervis Time to ruin the Chaos space marines , execute order 55 " .

Jervis : " Yes my lord ."

Kid : "yey a new chaos codex , time to beg my parents for more cash!"

1 day latter

Kid : " That suckded ".

Jervis ruinded chaos space marines ! he is a .