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This one's a powderkeg...

To clarify: I'm not asking why you hate (or love) GW. It's been done. I'm asking how it's affected your involvement with their games.

I realize that this is a wargaming, not a GW forum, but it is predominantly GW-focused, so the number of people railing against GW kind of surprised me when I started looking around here. Naturally it raised the question of who's simply complaining because that's what the internet's for, and who has acted on it in their everyday gaming lives.

To prevent , please refrain from tirades about how great or awful you think GW is. Like I said, it's been done.

I just stay the hell away from their stores...

Where is "I resent GW for its idiocy and neglecting of its fanbase, and buy from a discount retailer (Wayland Games)"

Karon wrote:Where is "I resent GW for its idiocy and neglecting of its fanbase, and buy from a discount retailer (Wayland Games)"

I'd file that under complaining but still playing. At the end of the day, GW's still getting paid. It's not like your FLGS or online discounter is pumping out their own product. Now buying an entire army of Mantic Dwarves to play Warhammer...that's a different story!

I complain (mostly about Aus pricing), but still buy (from cheap cheap UK stores of course!)

You left out an option.

It is the Quit buying their product direct and started getting everything for free by downloading, for cheap through second hand or started making my own.

You forgot the 'Show I'm an internet hardman by complaining and saying I will boycott, but really carry on anyway - who will know?

Pitchforks and/or torches.
It's so embarrassing, though, when everyone brings one and no one brings the other.
*sigh* Angry mobs are so hard to coordinate.

I just don't buy their stuff at retail anymore.

So much easier to get new stuff from OS vendors - the stuff isn't time critical to me, so I can wait for it. Older stuff I pick up 2nd hand for a bargain off kids with "shiny model syndrome" (who start an army then switch to the next one a couple of months later).

Off Topic: sort of

UltraPrime wrote:You forgot the 'Show I'm an internet hardman by complaining and saying I will boycott, but really carry on anyway - who will know?

At least you have admitted such and that is the first step.

I support my local game store first, but mostly by buying GW products. I will buy whats on the shelf before I will special order a particular unit for my army.

---Dreg

I only buy what I have to. I get 3rd party items whenever possible as they are so much cheaper. This is helped by the fact that I play guard and can use alot of what is out there. If you play marines then keep up the good fight of supporting GW policy of supporting them before anything else to the point of excluding all other armies.

If you cannot tell already, I really hate marines. They are horrible looking models that are as poorly conceived as giant walking robots/suits that can be targeted from half a continent away. morons.

I mainly stick with my FLGS and I tell myself that I do it to keep it open so I have a place to play

I don't go to GW stores, don't buy product from them, don't buy from 3rd party web stores any more. If and when I need anything, I get it from ebay or similar second hand.

Which catagory do I fit in?

I've bought the new Warhammer book but the two armies I'm working on for it are Warlord for one and Mantic for the other.

Likewise I have the 40k book but all my Eldar are from e-bay (2nd hand) and trades...

Mick

I don't like their pricing. I buy stuff secondhand now.

Hi all.
Pre PLC GW were more involved with thier customers, a more relaxed and freindly atmoshphere, where they inspired creativity in thier fans ,by simply howing how much fun they had creating thier cool games and minatures.

I am not saying the games were perfect or they were cheap, but you got a HONEST relationship with the developers and creative staff at GW.They cared about YOUR views and the end game play.

Lots of WD content was from the fans (sometimes filtered through the dev teams knowedgable input.)

Since GW became PLC , the studio staff are just bullied into the path of least resistance for the corperate managment.MANY of the great staff that made GW special have left.

GW simply can not compete in the open market, where you get much better value for money.

Thats why they have become dependant on own brand B&m stores to try to isolate customers from thier competitors.

I dont hate GW, I just think its a shame its run by morons who dont think customer satisfaction -retension is imporant.

I buy from companies that offer me good VFM. GW PLC fail to do so.

TTFN

I proxy until I get a feel for what I like/what I'll run then I'll usually buy secondhand and very rarely buy from my lgs: Maybe 5 or 6 GW products?

'Hate' is too strong, I dislike a lot about the company now but mainly I don't buy their stuff any more because it's too expensive and they keep messing us around with their multiple releases of everything. I've been burned several times by buying into things they had no interest in giving serious support. I sure don't believe that all previous seven editions of Warhammer were so broken they needed replacing. Furthermore, I play less so tend to paint personality figures and concentrate on smaller games, which GW don't do any more. I play older games, use proxies and pick up stuff second hand, mostly older miniatures as I prefer many of the older ranges.

focusedfire wrote:You left out an option.

It is the Quit buying their product direct and started getting everything for free by downloading, for cheap through second hand or started making my own.

This site in NO WAY endorses that sort of behavior - and neither should you.

If you truly 'hate' GW that much, than find something else to play.

filbert wrote:I don't go to GW stores, don't buy product from them, don't buy from 3rd party web stores any more. If and when I need anything, I get it from ebay or similar second hand.

Snap

and having just seen a statement from the financial report how they are actively repressing the growth of competition, I shall also be advising the kids at our club to do the same.
Will also consider modelling certain units too. (With kneadatite obtained elsewhere at a much better price)

When I was a HC Manager and got that uber-sweet 60% off, I stocked up on stuff. Since then (around 5 years now) I have not purchased a box or blister. Sure, I get the odd paint now and then, but I wouldn't go into a HC on a dare and be damned if I'm paying retail ever again. The old models work just as well as the new ones. Love the games, but they priced me out years ago.

Typicaly I buy from discount stores or use models from other companys. (Perry Brothers for the win)

Challenger

I have no problem with GW. I guess people just don't have good people working at the stores near them. Everyone at my two local GWs are super friendly, nice, helpful, encouraging, and fun to be around. I like going up to GW and siting down and painting my day away while participating in fun conversations. As for my LGS, big difference. 2 bucks to rent a table, no painting station, no one is friendly who works there and there is no help.

chromedog wrote: Older stuff I pick up 2nd hand for a bargain off kids with "shiny model syndrome" (who start an army then switch to the next one a couple of months later).

One of my favorite parts of the hobby! I'd swear the main FLGS in town stays in business through these kids. It's not as bad now since GW left town, but FOTM MEQ armies run through the place at least twice (new, then second-hand), while OOP kits for other armies sit on the shelves for years. Incidentally, if anyone wants a box of ten Ork Stikkbombas for $40 rather than the new Boyz box that makes the same thing for $28, I can hook you up. I know this little place...

You forgot the I "I use Army Builder & Play Vassal" option...

Wheres the option for.

I have no real problem with GW and occasionally buy their products.

Some things irk me but I am becoming more and more ambivalent.

The way i look at GW minis is this...

Once i buy my 3000ish points in models (which granted, costs about 400-500 bucks) they no longer gain very much money off of me.

Also considering that i easily spend 6 hours a week playing (wish it was more), and have been playing for years, the cost per hour is less then that of pretty much anything else...

So yeah ill pay the startup costs, plus the occasional army book redo and what not, cause i get tons of entertainment out of it.

I play 40k, but I've branched out to WarmaHordes.
Just for the refreshing rules set.

Dreg Warpspawn wrote:I support my local game store first, but mostly by buying GW products. I will buy whats on the shelf before I will special order a particular unit for my army.

---Dreg

You got it. Local store will almost always get their cut from me, and they sell it 10% less that GW standard, and occassionally toss in other sales.