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Seriously how hard can it be to make Rhino doors that fit the hinges aren't even in the right place.

So far from Forge world I have bought:

2 x warhound titan
1 x thunderhawk
3 x rhino doors
1 x venerable dreadnaught

and other bits and none of them fit even though you pay through the nose for them. Anyone else experienced this?

When I saw the thread title I was ready to come in here and post "resin is really hard to work with and deforms easily in storage" but then I saw that it was about RHINO DOORS?

Aren't those just single pieces of resin? I can see something with multiple parts not fitting well because each piece can deform just a little bit, making a major issue, but doors? Yeesh.

Seriously dude 3 sets of doors that when matched up to either the gap or standard rhino doors don't even look similar. I know resin is hard to work with but not that hard!!!

Duh, it's FW. I'm speaking from bitter experience myself.

FW Rhino and LR doors never fit...they either used bad quality resin or pulled them out of the molds too early....

If you think the rhinos doors are bad try these kits on , if you want a Migraine

Thunderhawk... Mold way over used, getting worn out, main hull usually bent and twisted ( the part is very thick and over 12" so hard to heat and bend back in to shape, also the chapter doors need a lot of work to fit.

LR MkIIb... all the resin parts are like 7/10's the correct size, making green stuff and plasti card almost necessary for assembly

Couldn't agree more, if you drop £375 on a T-hawk then you expect it to fit if its hard to work with or not. I doubt very much its hard to work with for forgeworld, given the time they have been running you think they would improve. The doors in my experience are so out of line that i just cut off the hinges and plasticarded them back on. Now this of course is based on the old stuff, as my mate just said the newer tau stuff was almost flawless. So who knows.

I have a feeling a lot of the warpage is due to them just taking stuff out of the molds too early. Probably due to higher demand and they feel like they have to rush.

I was seriously considering getting a reaver titan.. thing just looks amazing.. but I'm just too hesitant to spend almost $900 on something I know will be warped and miscast, even if I'm lucky and it's minimal. While i'm sure I'd be able to fix whatever is wrong with some greenstuff and a little bending, I really don't feel I should have to if I'm spending that much.

I've had good luck with rhino & chimera doors though. My nurgle dreadnought came out good but the Hydra cannons I got were all bent, like so bad it was just silly. One of the barrels was practically a right angle. I had to run it under hot water for a while to soften it, then bend it back a little.. did that for about 5 nights till I got everything straight. I didn't want to bother email them to complain about it, since I knew I'd never get a response...

Ed_Bodger wrote:...and other bits and none of them fit even though you pay through the nose for them. Anyone else experienced this?

Yup me too, they suck, exact same problem. I had to rebuild entire plates from plastic in the right size and just use the detail pieces I cut off and sanded.

I had similar problems on Thunderhawk Ailerons, on Valkyrie Doors, on Chaos and Imperial Rhino Doors and several other kits too.

Amatures.

Same issues here.

I just got my order which had two Rhino extra armour kits, a Land Raider extra armour kit and Ultramarine Land Raider doors. The quality of these kits is abysmal. The Rhino kits and Land Raider doors aren't even usable.

It's sadly pathetic and aggravating that it I spent money on pure gak!


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I forgot to mention that one of the armour plates in the Land Raider kit was obviously snapped, glued back together and tossed into the bag anyway.

TobyDog wrote: heat and bend back in to shape

Necros wrote:run it under hot water for a while to soften it, then bend it back

Augustus - aren't you going to tell TobyDog and Necros that's impossible since

augustus wrote:Resin is a chemical cure, once a piece is fabricated deformed and cures it doesn't matter how warm it gets afterward, it is hard and shaped and cured, it's never going to be strait, flat or right angled again. Furthermore resin is not as flexible as injection molded plastic, it is brittle, if you flex it instead of bending when it reaches the critical point it breaks. It doesn't have the ductile property of plastic at all, which is why suggesting to heat and bend it it ridiculous.

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oni wrote:I forgot to mention that one of the armour plates in the Land Raider kit was obviously snapped, glued back together and tossed into the bag anyway.

That is absolutely unacceptable. Can you post a pic of that?

You can't post this today! I was strongly considering throwing some money into a growing local pot for a Forge World order that we're trying to get free shipping on!

FWIW, I've had lots of Forge World bits and models. Never had anything that needed more than a bit of cleaning and warming/bending.

Aduro wrote:You can't post this today! I was strongly considering throwing some money into a growing local pot for a Forge World order that we're trying to get free shipping on!

ditto! I was planning on getting the Iron Warrior dred as well as a bunch of DKOK troopers to use as lost and damned, now I'm paranoid!

Scott-S6 wrote:FWIW, I've had lots of Forge World bits and models. Never had anything that needed more than a bit of cleaning and warming/bending.

This.

However, it's worth noting that alot of the Rhino/Land Raider Doors, Armor Kits, and the like are older than sin. They should be updated sooner or later, but...

Until then it's very hit or miss. And if things don't fit, then call Forge World up and explain the situation. They'll usually send out replacement parts for bad fits.

Scott-S6 wrote:FWIW, I've had lots of Forge World bits and models. Never had anything that needed more than a bit of cleaning and warming/bending.

+1

I bought their Great Unclean One and had remove more 1-2 cm from the sword to get it to line up properly. Quite a pain, but considering I have purchased dozens of their models and only had the one problem, they have a pretty good track record with me.

I haven't really had any issue with most of the items I've received. A few things to bend here or there but that's it.

Anything wrong, like a few forgotten pieces, was solved with an email to FW and new parts shipped out and received with a week or 2.

I won a real old baneblade in a raffle from FW (it had 2 main cannons- one in the place of the demolisher cannon, the HB on the front wasn't twin linked, and the sponson HBs are 3 bolters per side) and it is/was fantastic. I was instructed to wash all the parts, so I did, and everything turned out great. I love raffles

Scott-S6 wrote:

oni wrote:I forgot to mention that one of the armour plates in the Land Raider kit was obviously snapped, glued back together and tossed into the bag anyway.

That is absolutely unacceptable. Can you post a pic of that?

That's not "glued back together", Oni. It's an issue that crops up every so often where the mold doesn't fill properly.

I’m new, you can tell that by the number of posts but this hit a nerve and for the longest time I thought it was me, my bad luck and my “newness” but I have had some issues with FW stuff as well.
I heard for the longest time FW this FW that and in my gaming circle everyone brags that they have a FW bit up upgrade or entire piece like it’s an elite right of passage so forgive me once again for my “newness” but I took this as part of requirement to have some FW stuff in your gaming collection.
Everything looks so cool and having a larger FW piece you (at least in my opinion) become a “true coinsure” of gaming….
So…. I watch Epay like a hawk and score a Piranha TX42 conversion, still a little less if I had it shipped from the UK but expensive never the less.
It arrives and I’m like a little kid and tear into it straight away….what to my dismay… it doesn’t fit right, it’s twisted and has some rather deep dimples that will require substantial bodywork n my part t make right.
I inquire within my gaming group if this has been noted before and to my surprise it’ acceptable and they share the hot water trick with me… so for all the money I spent on the kit I now have to spend considerable time to make it right…
Still, FW is the epitome of gaming…. So I buy more…. And more and more.
I bought two Crisis battle suits and both required hours of greenstuff to make them right and at $40 each?
Then there was the Tech drones that were out of round? No saving those…. Used the bottom part and the actual drone tops from bits I had… so there’s a few more hours scratch building something I paid good money for.
So now… I have a lot of FW kits in my collection but reflect back on what was actually invested… wow….
To date I have:
2 Barracuda’s (both needing minor work so far)
2 Tigersharks (lot of effort getting these respectable)
3 XV84 Battle suites (still WIP with no end in sight)
1 TX42 Piranha upgrade (finally in primer)
2 DX-4 Tech drones (lets not go there)
2 Remora’s (reluctant to open box)
2 Tetra’s (still in box with Remora’s)
1 Cadian upgrade w/ respirators kit (Tau auxiliary , so I knew work would be involved)
4 Heavy drones (few hours cleaning these up)
1 Tau sensor tower…. (ok so it leans a little to the left)
3 Air Caste pilots….. (the white flag went up on these)

and let’s not forget my Black Templar bits…

I like the fact that someone called Bodger is complaining about ill fitting doors!

This is not a new thing or sadly, a rare thing.

A guy in my gaming club bought the Land Raider extra armour (or whatever it is. Large pieces of badly cast slab armour that does not fit together) along with some extra doors and hatches.

Each piece was not only warped but not properly cured, even after 2 weeks in transit (it was still sweating - which is also a sign of bad mixing of the resin).

He had no idea how to fix it - so he asked me if I could help. It was the matter of minutes to straighten up the pieces - and around 30 minutes in my toaster oven (it's only ever used for drying stuff out.) to dry it out as well.

Next issue was that the extra doors he also got didn't fit the slots in the armour. That's ok, neither did the original plastic doors. The original plastic doors were too big for it.

Has he sworn off FW after this?

Nope. Like an iSheep, he keeps going back to get his arse slapped again and again.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I like the fact that someone called Bodger is complaining about ill fitting doors!

Like

I'm toying with the idea of a FW night lords dreadnought in the new year simply because it doesn't work out that much more expensive then the ugly as hell GW chaos dread. Now i know people have problems with FW kits but is there any thing i should look out for with the dreadnought kits ?

Forge World's quality control... scatch that... Forge World don't have quality control. Forge World pumps out product at such a rate that breeds an environment where mistakes that would be considered miscast and thrown away/melted down at other companies are considered "good enough" and shipped out anyway. You can't fault them for their success, but they are victims of it, with fully 50% of their product coming out miscast (from slight warpage to completely unsalvageable pieces). What I've found is that the newer kits are less likely to have problems (my Macharius and Chaos Dreads were all fine - old Baneblades and Manticores... horrific). As a comparison point, all the Micro-Art Studios, Antenociti's Workshop and Scibor stuff I've ordered has come through without issue (aside from the usual flash and mould lines). Forge World are just bad at making models - great at designing them - but bad at making them.

In the end you just have to be careful, and either learn to live with the odd bit of warpage, or learn how to bend things back.

Listrel wrote:I'm toying with the idea of a FW night lords dreadnought in the new year simply because it doesn't work out that much more expensive then the ugly as hell GW chaos dread. Now i know people have problems with FW kits but is there any thing i should look out for with the dreadnought kits ?

I've got both Death Guard Dreads (the more recent of which has a lot of fiddly find detail bits) and a World Eater Dread. I had no problem with these kits, and I suspect that it is because they are newer and less complex than their old stuff.

Scott-S6 wrote:FWIW, I've had lots of Forge World bits and models. Never had anything that needed more than a bit of cleaning and warming/bending.

Then you're lucky, and I've got a Stormblade that thinks you're wrong.

I spent last night assembling the Plaguehulk as well as the Khorne Daemon prince. There was slight warpage on some things, but nothing that wasnt fixable with some heat and a wee bit of greenstuff.

I think its worth mentioning that the top of th plaguehulk is about a couple of mm smaller than the bottom of the defiler it sits on. Also something that I was able to handle, but the front right claw/arm was a pain, since there was a massive gap between the top & bottom due to the size difference. Fiexable, but weird nontheless.

The Khorne Herald went together like a charm though. And what a sweet bastard he is.

Concerning Rhino/ LR doors. A guy at my local store spent days filling things to get everything to line up right etc. Its also worth saying that the extra armour doesnt work well with the hurricane bolter system you can purchase as an upgrade.

It's also worth mention that most of the Rhino and Land Raider doors, as well as all the extra/spaced/etc. armour have been on the website for a long time - long as I can remember anyway - so that factors into my 'newer kits are less prone to problems' theory.

I've ordered exactly one set of those old doors (the Chimera back hatch with the Aquila on it), and, yep, it was bent.

My Grey Knight Land Rider doors fit just fine.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Listrel wrote:I'm toying with the idea of a FW night lords dreadnought in the new year simply because it doesn't work out that much more expensive then the ugly as hell GW chaos dread. Now i know people have problems with FW kits but is there any thing i should look out for with the dreadnought kits ?

I've got both Death Guard Dreads (the more recent of which has a lot of fiddly find detail bits) and a World Eater Dread. I had no problem with these kits, and I suspect that it is because they are newer and less complex than their old stuff.

In that case I think I'll go ahead with the dread but the rhino an land raider doors I was also considering will be skipped at least for now.