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2010/12/10 11:16:12
Subject: Cavalry charges on the streets and the royals attacked by anarchists, welcome to the 21st century...
Stuff has been pretty odd around here lately too. Anonymous made it on the front page of CNN and has apparently been attacking credit servers all week.
(CNN) -- If you think there's a group of nerdish hackers somewhere hunched over their computers launching cyberattacks 24-7 on companies that have refused service to WikiLeaks, you're wrong.
Helping the hacking forum known as "Anonymous" and "Operation Payback" can be as simple as sending an e-mail to one of the many websites it uses -- and letting the hackers take control of your computer.
Anonymous claimed responsibility for disabling or disrupting the sites of MasterCard, Visa and PayPal this week. The attacks came on the heels of WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange's arrest.
"You don't have to be at your computer. All you've got to do is send Anonymous an e-mail that says, 'I consent to you using my computer, do whatever you like,' " and the people with Anonymous link to your computer, connect it with others who've consented, and use the collective force (among the machines) to launch these attacks," Gregg Housh, a 34-year-old internet activist based in Boston told CNN.
As per usual with any of these demos in the capital - the actual event gets swiftly hijacked by those who are only there for violence and anarchy. Those attacking Nelson's Column, the Churchill statue and the Royals are no more students than I am - they are only there to create mischief.
We see the same thing every year with the stupid May Day demos.
Having said that, and having watched the NUS spokes-lesbian on BBC breakfast this morning utterly fail to condemn the violence, any respect I had for students is long gone.
filbert wrote:As per usual with any of these demos in the capital - the actual event gets swiftly hijacked by those who are only there for violence and anarchy. Those attacking Nelson's Column, the Churchill statue and the Royals are no more students than I am - they are only there to create mischief.
We see the same thing every year with the stupid May Day demos.
Having said that, and having watched the NUS spokes-lesbian on BBC breakfast this morning utterly fail to condemn the violence, any respect I had for students is long gone.
Yep, I've met several anarchists during my time, they tended on the whole, to be overwhelmingly stupid, very fond of soundbites and violent protest but no real ideas. I'm also pondering the notion of 5th columnists attacking landmarks and royals, but then I'm a cynical bastard.
2010/12/10 11:35:58
Subject: Cavalry charges on the streets and the royals attacked by anarchists, welcome to the 21st century...
filbert wrote:As per usual with any of these demos in the capital - the actual event gets swiftly hijacked by those who are only there for violence and anarchy. Those attacking Nelson's Column, the Churchill statue and the Royals are no more students than I am - they are only there to create mischief.
We see the same thing every year with the stupid May Day demos.
Having said that, and having watched the NUS spokes-lesbian on BBC breakfast this morning utterly fail to condemn the violence, any respect I had for students is long gone.
Yep, I've met several anarchists during my time, they tended on the whole, to be overwhelmingly stupid, very fond of soundbites and violent protest but no real ideas. I'm also pondering the notion of 5th columnists attacking landmarks and royals, but then I'm a cynical bastard.
I don't suppose that's too far from the truth. I suspect a whole raft of anarchist organisations quickly spotted that the student marches would be a good smokescreen for shenanigans. I think it can be deduced from the ease with which they dodged the police cordons that one can surmise they were 'protest' veterans.
I think one of the most disappointing things is seeing how toothless our police force have become to the point where they can't effectively police what amounts to a riot for fear of the bleeding hearts brigade accusing them of 'heavy-handed tactics'. I think it goes hand in hand with the deterioration of respect that kids these days have for the law - what chance respect when they know full well the police can do bugger all to retaliate? Shocking really.
filbert wrote:I think one of the most disappointing things is seeing how toothless our police force have become to the point where they can't effectively police what amounts to a riot for fear of the bleeding hearts brigade accusing them of 'heavy-handed tactics'. I think it goes hand in hand with the deterioration of respect that kids these days have for the law - what chance respect when they know full well the police can do bugger all to retaliate? Shocking really.
That is because of a few recent incidents where they clearly killed or injured innocent people by heavy handed tactics, and have been rightly criticised.
There are only three ways it can be done.
1. Kill innocents by over-the-top violence.
2. Allow the rioters free reign due to fear of criticism for no.1.
3. Get it right!!
There is a fourth option which is to alternate between 1 and 2 depending on the latest headlines in the Daily Mail.
I concede the point KK but there must be a middle line between hammering somebody with a baton (or the time honoured 'fell down the steps at the station guv') and having to listen to a teen brat spewing bile at them and stranding stock still?
Whatever happened to the old clip around the ear?
Edit: From Football365 which I thought was quite pithy;
"What sort of country have we become when it's not possible for a chauffeur-driven Rolls-Royce to safely ride through the middle of an all-day riot?"
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As serious as this situation undoubtedly is, I can only hope somebody parodies it in the form of a side-scrolling beat-'em-up in the vein of Streets of Rage.
Or I suppose you could just play Streets of Rage and pretend you're beating up students and anarchists.
The Dreadnote wrote:As serious as this situation undoubtedly is, I can only hope somebody parodies it in the form of a side-scrolling beat-'em-up in the vein of Streets of Rage.
Or I suppose you could just play Streets of Rage and pretend you're beating up students and anarchists.
Camilla and Prince Charles in a sort of Final Fight-esque rumble
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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2010/12/10 12:34:44
Subject: Re:Cavalry charges on the streets and the royals attacked by anarchists, welcome to the 21st century...
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
SlaveToDorkness wrote:Forgive my Yank ignorance, but what are they protesting?
Tuition fees have been tripled (I think), and one of the parties that were voted for (which promised they wouldn't allow this) went back on their promise.
Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
2010/12/10 12:37:21
Subject: Cavalry charges on the streets and the royals attacked by anarchists, welcome to the 21st century...
The Dreadnote wrote:I am right in thinking that it's the maximum fees that have been raised, and that individual universities will be setting their own fees?
Yes, however expect most universities to find the 'exceptional circumstances' that allow them to raise fees up to the maximum.
Maybe there will be a massive cull of universities over the next 10 years as the genuinely good institutions get all the students who are worth taking, and the rest of them run out of money and fail.
That might be a good thing.
Part of the screw-up in the UK's higher education system is illustrated by Thames Valley University. In the 70s and 80s it was a polytechnical college, noted as providing one of the best catering courses in the country.
Then the polys were all made into universities. Ealing Poly became Thames Valley University, which has made itself a byword and a hissing for corruption and bad quality teaching.
I think the key point here is not that Uni's are charging money (that argument was lost years ago when tuition fees were introduced) but more that we are treading dangerously close to moving from a meritocracy where the most intelligent/apt pupils got the Uni spots, to a situation where if you have the money, you get the spot. And that is a worrying thing when you consider many poorer elements of society will be potentially priced out of higher education.
Its great to see that folks across the pond are willing to stand up when they get mad enough. Although rioting never really does much, it does at least make the powers that be pretty nervous.
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filbert wrote:I think the key point here is not that Uni's are charging money (that argument was lost years ago when tuition fees were introduced) but more that we are treading dangerously close to moving from a meritocracy where the most intelligent/apt pupils got the Uni spots, to a situation where if you have the money, you get the spot. And that is a worrying thing when you consider many poorer elements of society will be potentially priced out of higher education.
As someone who lives in this type of a system, you really really really don't want to get to that point.
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Stormrider wrote:Where were the Royal Guards? A Halberd would be a nice deterrent.
At the Palace one supposes. The job of protecting the Royals lies with the Met Protection force, not the Guards. But i agree, some of those 'protesters' might have baulked at the sight of a grizzled Guards Sergeant
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Ah.. the dirty rioting socilialists/anarchists/ignorant dickheads.
I bet your loving it all MGS eh?
If they attacked Chucks car in my vicinity i would have done my best to kill one of them and then use his corpse to shield our Jug eared Monarch, i mean, i took an oath!
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