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So in the past the Emperor defeated and imprisoned the C'tan Void Dragon in Mars. His reasoning for this was to fuel humans technology to launch his great crusade.

Now the Machine Cult of Mars worships the Void Dragon (unknowingly) as the omnissiah, or the machine god. It seems kind of wierd to me that one of the main parts of the IoM is worshiping a necron god. How is this exactly going to play out? What happens if the Void Dragon wakes up? I am sure the Emperor had plans to deal with him after the crusade, but that's out the window.

Well, the Adeptus mechanicus isn't actually part of the IoM. However, they share a mutually beneficial relationship with the Imperium. If you want to read a good bit of fluff about what could happen if this got out, read Titanicus by Dan Abnett.

If the Void Dragon wakes up, the Mechanicus and Terra are both screwed beyond belief.

It is widely accepted that the Emperor is the Omnissiah and only a handful of Tech Priests know about the Dragon and workship it. If/when the Dragon is freed from its imprisonment it is doubtful that the great masses of the Cult Mechanicus would worship the Dragon although naturally they would likely be some kind of schism but with the Dragon loose in the Sol System the possible fallout due to matters of technotheology will be the least of everyone's problems.

Gogsnik wrote:It is widely accepted that the Emperor is the Omnissiah and only a handful of Tech Priests know about the Dragon and workship it. If/when the Dragon is freed from its imprisonment it is doubtful that the great masses of the Cult Mechanicus would worship the Dragon although naturally they would likely be some kind of schism but with the Dragon loose in the Sol System the possible fallout due to matters of technotheology will be the least of everyone's problems.

This. As for how it could all possibly play out (although I'm reasonably certain nothing will be developed about this bit of fluff)...perhaps the Necrons will attempt to wake their imprisoned God and or it will wake itself and the Crons will rise from their tombs across the galaxy making things generally unpleasant within the Imperium.

I'd just like to note that the dragon is "awake", he's just imprisoned.

For all we know the Omnissiah could just be an old copy of PCFormat magazine or a still operational page of Wikiedia, or may the Emperor forgive me 4chan /TG/!

Ribon Fox wrote:For all we know the Omnissiah could just be an old copy of PCFormat magazine or a still operational page of Wikiedia, or may the Emperor forgive me 4chan /TG/!

...There is no forgivness in the grim darkness of the future, only war and stalemate!

Ribon Fox wrote:For all we know the Omnissiah could just be 4chan /TG/!

Heresy! *BLAM*

The Dragon is awake but trapped in the Noctis Labyrinth

It's guarded by a group called the Children of the Dragon.

obsidianaura wrote:The Dragon is awake but trapped in the Noctis Labyrinth

It's guarded by a group called the Children of the Dragon.

What exactly is this Noctis Labyrinth? Who are the Children of the Dragon?
How did Big E imprison the dragon? And When?

If the Dragon has been in jail for the past 10 000 years, he must be reeaaaally pissed off. And hungry.

The only way to free him is destroying the labyrinth. A few Necron fleets tried to but were blasted before even having a chance to land on mars.

Laodamia wrote:What exactly is this Noctis Labyrinth?
Who are the Children of the Dragon?
How did Big E imprison the dragon?
And When?

The Noctis Labyrinthus is an area of Mars.



The Children of the Dragon are the Guardians of the Dragon as established in the novel Mechanicum. They remain with the Dragon until the next Guardian appears and the Dragon grants them immortality; it also tries to get them to free it but so far none have done so.

The Emperor imprisoned the Dragon by being awesome. in Mechanicum the Emperor battles the Dragon at some point during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian so sometime around the third or fourth century BC.

it is possable that the Void Dragon, being a God of Technology, isn't actually a C'tan at all, but is rather the Eldar smith god Vaul.


after Khaine defeated Vaul and binds him to his anvil, Vaul seeks refuge and comes to a little planet called earth.

in his weakened state, Vaul is incapable of resisting the Emperor, who binds Vaul on Mars for eternity to give mankind technology. in exchange, Vaul is sort of released from his bindings. he trades one form of slavery for another in exchange for asylum. Vaul also survives the birth of Slannesh.

there are many parallels between these stories and this could be a potential truth.


perhaps the Necron invasion to "free" the void dragon was actually an attempt to destroy one of the last Eldar gods.

Necanor wrote:The only way to free him is destroying the labyrinth. A few Necron fleets tried to but were blasted before even having a chance to land on mars.

I thought they actually did land on Mars but were destroyed immediatley afterwards.

One thing I never got about the emprah's silly plan was if he hated religion so much why intentionally setup the worship of a very hostile deity?

Gogsnik wrote:The Emperor imprisoned the Dragon by being awesome. in Mechanicum the Emperor battles the Dragon at some point during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian so sometime around the third or fourth century BC.

Woah - the Emperor was capable of space travel sans space-suits/spacecraft?

He was wearing his PF-Flyers.

The Talismans of Vaul (blackstone fortresses for BFG players) were designed to combat the C'tan

I don't think that the dragon is Vaul, interesting idea though.

Where did you get the info on Vaul coming to Earth, (Earth not Terra?) don't recall seeing this.


Also the Dragon technically doesn't grant imortality it's more of a bi-product of become a guardian, the dragon doesn't seem to choose to give it to them.

The Guardians also have the abilty to repair any machinery with a touch, this also seems to be a bi-product

asimo77 wrote:

Necanor wrote:The only way to free him is destroying the labyrinth. A few Necron fleets tried to but were blasted before even having a chance to land on mars.

I thought they actually did land on Mars but were destroyed immediatley afterwards.

One thing I never got about the emprah's silly plan was if he hated religion so much why intentionally setup the worship of a very hostile deity?

I don't think he started the worship of the Void Dragon. He imprisoned it and I guess after a while people noticed it and began to worship it.

I dont believe they workship the void dragon just the thoughts of planing constructing etc the so long forgotten tactics of machines and the way they work as one. For example it is supposed to be really sophisticated the way it works and stuff and the reason that imperium is always "losing technology" make them feel like some god is making the machines moving.
Tho it is just an opinion i havent read "Mechanicus" and "Titanicus" but anyway believing such gods might be a seed of heresy on imperium ages.

obsidianaura wrote:The Talismans of Vaul (blackstone fortresses for BFG players) were designed to combat the C'tan

I don't think that the dragon is Vaul, interesting idea though.

Where did you get the info on Vaul coming to Earth, (Earth not Terra?) don't recall seeing this.

I just drew the anology between Vaul and the Dragon.


the Dragon was supposedly hiding from something when he came to Earth.


the misnamed Vaul was then defeated by the Emperor. some sort of deal was struck and the Emperor placed Vaul in the Labrinth on Mars.

Grey Templar wrote:the misnamed Vaul was then defeated by the Emperor. some sort of deal was struck and the Emperor placed Vaul in the Labrinth on Mars.

Unfortunately though the Dragon as C'tan is too closely implied in the background but the idea does sound appealing. Afterall the battle between Khaine and Vaul is called 'The War in Heaven' and it is strongly implied that the Vaul Moon is Mars.

The trouble with the idea of the Emperor imprisoning the Dragon (C'tan) on Mars, which is why it was silly to hint at it, is that the Dragon was potentially wounded during the War in Heaven requiring it have been floating around doing not very much for the best part of sixty million years, whilst remaining wounded so that the Emperor could defeat it and then imprison it. Before Mechanicum it was easy enough to think that the Dragon had simply entombed itself like the other C'tan, it just happened to have done so on Mars.

Well lately it seems GW takes any chance it can to make Necrons look bad.

Your most powerful diety? Got knocked around by the emprah.

Think you guys are so tuff? Well how about we use you for target practice?

Oh the World Enguine is pretty sacry isn't it? Well how about we just blow it up....Ok that one's a reach The World Engine was pretty damn awesome

Then of course there's the actual codex itself.

asimo77 wrote:

Necanor wrote:The only way to free him is destroying the labyrinth. A few Necron fleets tried to but were blasted before even having a chance to land on mars.

I thought they actually did land on Mars but were destroyed immediatley afterwards.

The necrons only attempted to land on Mars once.

A small fleet of necron ships suddenly appeared in the vicinity of the red planet and started manoeuvers to land on its surface. They were obliterated by Mars' incredible orbital defenses, but resisted an amazing amount of salvoes before being destroyed. IIRC, the necrons were quite close from reaching Mars' atmosphere when they were destroyed.
When Battlefleet Solar sent a picket fleet to investigate, they didn't found the remains of the necron ships. They had simply vanished.

I don't have my codex with me but I'm postive that there was a story about 3 (I think it was 3) scout ships landing on the surface before being pew pew'd to death.

Either way it's really just details, point is necrons got super close to Mars where the Void Dragon is.

It was 5 Necron Shroud Class ships, little agile fighters, they appeared at the edge of the Solar System and managed to penetrate every defende before getting to Mars, then 2 got shot down by the defenses, the other three landed but were promptly destroyed and that area was declared Forbidden ground.

A thing to remember here. If Necrons are destroyed they teleport to the nearest Tomb World to repair.

Who's to say (and it's heavily hinted in the codex -i've not read the novels) that Mars isn't the nearest tomb world?

Theory:

The Necrons knew this and landed on mars knowing that they would be olbliterated (shrouds are tough, but not THAT tough) in order to be teleported into the Labyrinth to wake the Dragon.

Food for thought.., It could have as much similarity to the real plot (if there is one)as a raspberry yoghurt, but that's how i interpret the intention of the shrouds that penetrated Mars's defenses.

Ascalam wrote:A thing to remember here. If Necrons are destroyed they teleport to the nearest Tomb World to repair.

Who's to say (and it's heavily hinted in the codex -i've not read the novels) that Mars isn't the nearest tomb world?

Theory:

The Necrons knew this and landed on mars knowing that they would be olbliterated (shrouds are tough, but not THAT tough) in order to be teleported into the Labyrinth to wake the Dragon.

Food for thought.., It could have as much similarity to the real plot (if there is one)as a raspberry yoghurt, but that's how i interpret the intention of the shrouds that penetrated Mars's defenses.

I never thought of that... Intriguing. I doubt Games Workshop thought of it, but it does make sense. Hmm...

It seems that along with the Chaos Space Marines the Necrons are one of the more used races when it comes to stories, theories, relation to the Imperium and so on. I quite enjoy it being a Necron player, myself.

Gogsnik wrote:
The Emperor imprisoned the Dragon by being awesome. in Mechanicum the Emperor battles the Dragon at some point during the reign of the Emperor Diocletian so sometime around the third or fourth century BC.

Bugger I thought Big E was St George killing that dragon.

Ah well Mechanicum was awesome.