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So right before the "BT Crusade into the Tau Empire" thread closed we were having an argument about the size of Imperator Titans. I claim that Imperator Titans are approx. 55 meters tall, referencing Lexicanum which in turn references extrapolations from the Apoc. datasheet along with a statement from "False Gods", stating that the infamous Imperator Titan Dies Irae was 43m high and probably didn't have any cathedral spires.

My "opponent", in turn, claims that Imperator Titans are 150 meters high, referencing the 40k wikia which, in turn and as always, didn't specify where this information was taken from.

Who's right?

Thank the Emperor that thread was closed....

Now, this is a little odd. Two Wikipedia, same subject and 2 different informations. In this case we must see examples from the fluff.

And in fluff it is stated that one of this Imperator Titans Dies Irae was around 43m (130ft) tall. So I am going with first option.

It doesn't specify whether the Dies Irae had spires or not...
However due to the variation in all titan classes presumably because of build and design inconsistencies (Different Forge Worlds build in different ways and different Forge Worlds have different schematics) i am gonna go for a range anywhere between 50m to 60m.

According to Lexicanum, the Warhound is 14 metres tall 'at rest', and if you look at the Imperator apocalypse data sheet, it appears approximately 4 times the height of a harhound, giving you 56 metres.

I think they should be much larger, given the fluff, but I'm relucantly forced to conclude the smaller size holds more water.

A FW warhound is 250mm
A standard infantry model 35mm

In the apoc datasheet, a warhound is 25% of the height of a Imperator. A infantry model is ~14% of the height of the warhound.

If infantry = 2m, warhound = 2 x 7 = 14m, Imperator 14 x 4 = 56m.

If warhound = 250mm, Imperator = 4x250mm = a model of 1000mm


Illustration of an Imperator in Epic armageddon:
Titan = 80mm
Infantry = ~3mm

1 Imperator = 27 infantry = 945mm +x. Again up to 1000mm.
27 infantry = 27x2 = 54m. Again close to the 56m.

I'd estimate an Imperator at 50-60 m, depending on "spires" and other stuff counted or not. Also a FW Imperator should be about 1m.

Depending on the patterns, a warhound will be 12-14 meters high and a reaver 22-15 meters high.

According to my apocalypse rulebook here, a warlord is supposed to be 33-35 meters tall.

I don't really have a clue for the size of an imperator titan, but roughly 60 meters sounds very plausible.

I like to imagine they are the size of skyscrapers, but fluff says otherwise. But if you look at art (I know, artistic license and all that makes it inconsistent) like on the cover of Titanicus, a Warlord is basically a moving of sass and death.

I think that the evidence given is very conclusive. maybe other people should read before voting

Whatever their height, they should be able to hold a full company of guardsmen. The apoc datasheet states that this is only in the legs so the legs need to be small buildings capable of accommodating 50-60 people each plus support equipment and weapons stations. Where that leaves the fortress type building that sits on top I'm not sure as I'd thought that this is where many of these guardsmen would actually be rather than in the legs.

Stupid question, but how 'big' is 60 metres? Someone give me a real world object that's 60 metres high.

somecallmeJack wrote:Someone give me a real world object that's 60 metres high.

Well, not wanting to blow my own trumpet...



But in seriousness:


That boat is apparently 60m long.

Edit:
And this tower is 60m tall (view from the top):

Edit again:
This tower is 60m and has windows so you can actually tell more easily how big 60m is:

Just finished reading Helsreach (good read, btw) which listed the Imperator Stormherald as being about 60m.

Man. Looking at these images, 60m really doesn't seem all that big. Yet thats what all the extrapolations are coming out at.

Bummer.

You're probably right at 50 - 60 metres but damn, they would be so much cooler if they were bigger.

I always imagined them to be bigger than Godzilla.

60 metres just doesn't look big enough from that picture to have all that they do in.


Theres that yacht again for comparison. The Titan would have to be double it in width to hold all it's troops



Actually this might be better it's apparently 18 meters tall and is getting quite titan like

somecallmeJack wrote:Man. Looking at these images, 60m really doesn't seem all that big. Yet thats what all the extrapolations are coming out at.

The Imperator titan is not a lean machine. Looking at the FW model I would guess it is also about 40 m wide and 30 m deep. Put another church next to the original one and imagine it moving towards you. I'd think that this will make quite an impression on everyone.

somecallmeJack wrote:Stupid question, but how 'big' is 60 metres? Someone give me a real world object that's 60 metres high.

A building that's around 19-21 storeys tall. A yacht isn't a very good example, because horizontal distances are a great deal less impressive: walking a hundred meters is a trivial effort, while climbing a hundred meters or walking up 33 flights of stairs would be a great deal more strenuous.

Grimmzahn wrote:

somecallmeJack wrote:Man. Looking at these images, 60m really doesn't seem all that big. Yet thats what all the extrapolations are coming out at.

The Imperator titan is not a lean machine. Looking at the FW model I would guess it is also about 40 m wide and 30 m deep. Put another church next to the original one and imagine it moving towards you. I'd think that this will make quite an impression on everyone.

Dont get me wrong, I know Imperators are beefy girls, but in my minds eye they tower. 60 metres doesnt tower! I want them to be as tall as skyscrapers.

Im reading the Eisenhorn trilogy at the moment, and about ten minutes ago I read a passage where he describes his gun-cutter as being 80m long. How can it be longer than an Imperator titan is tall!? how!?

I can't properly convey my utter disappointment.

This thread is like watching one of your heroes fall from grace...

I don't think some of the posters on this thread have a proper idea of just how big 60m is.

That's about the height of a 20 story building. If you live in a city go find a 20 story building and look up. It's quite impressive to look up at something that size from below.

If you want a more awesome comparison, Toho says Godzilla was 50m tall in the original film. So an Imperator is equivalent to 1.2 Godzillas. That's rather huge.

Yeah.... 60m is freaking huge... especially when it moves, and specifically wants to kill you.

As to how Eisenhorn's gun-cutter can be bigger than a Titan? It's a aero-space craft... plenty of Imperial spacecraft are bigger than Titans. Think of it as a yacht with a prodigious amount of guns and firepower, and not-inconsiderable layering of armor. Also, plot-specs.

I know loads of Imperial space craft are bigger than titans; thats how titans are transported.

The issue is that it is precisely that - a yacht with guns! It *shouldnt* be bigger than an Imperator.

To my mind, both classes of Emperor titan should (at the very least) be as tall as a football pitch is long. (105m).

Now people, don't get me wrong. I know they aren't that big, and I'm not disputing an approximate height of 60m.

Its just so... disappointing!

Do a search for Dreadnotes thread about the actual size of titans. Its pretty good. That will prove who is right

I just want Forge World to advance the creation of the rest of the titans already. So we know for sure.

Look at the cover of the novel Titanicus. The Titasn pictured is surelyt a lesser model than an imperator, but is at least 150 meters tall. The fluff frequently describes these machines ans having CITIES on their backs! I belive that in order to have the kind of physical stature and fireepower described in the novels, the Imperatos must be singularly massive. Easily in excess of 500 meters tall.

Damn what all these "official" measurements and crap say. We've all imagined the imperators as being massive, world burining walking cities. They're huge no matter what forgeworld says, or GW for that matter. 60m is maybe a smaller reaver in my opinion. Warlords come in at about 150-200. Imperators top 500-1000.

Artists impressions never measure up. ever

This is a building in Denmark that is 55m high.



Just image it with guns walking towards you.

I think in terms of GIVEN measurements etc, the 50-60m sounds accurate.

Titanicus and other novels such as Hellsreach & their artwork give a much exaggerated (but full of awesomsauce) image and description of them IMO.

I think the novels have treated us too well and we want more

Dan

I've seen a ferris wheel that's one hundred and sixty feet and I was not impressed. My whole view of titans is shattered forever

Mechanized Space Corps wrote:I've seen a ferris wheel that's one hundred and sixty feet and I was not impressed. My whole view of titans is shattered forever

I hear you. I hear you.

So, so far no supporting evidence for 150m other than "artistic license"?



*Smartypants mode on*

Just because GW and Forgeworld have no imagination doesn't mean that Titans are small.