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You're imagination doesn't override official fluff.

I say this is soon going to be retconned so titains are larger and more awesome. I think even 150m is too small for imperator.

60 meters kind of shatters my vision of them.

But official fluff rules the day.

Warhound - 15 meters (45 feet)
Reaver Class Titan is around 40-50 meters (120-150 feet)
Warlord Titan - 60 meters (180 feet)
The Imperator - 55.5 meters (166ft)
The Warmonger is very similar in structure and appearance to the Imperator Titan.

And for reference this lighthouse is 15m tall.

Somebody needs to do some serious measurement correcting.

I wonder what the official size of a Tau Manta is.

Hopefully not 15 meters lol... Frigging GW

Brother Coa wrote:Warhound - 15 meters (45 feet)
Reaver Class Titan is around 40-50 meters (120-150 feet)
Warlord Titan - 60 meters (180 feet)
The Imperator - 55.5 meters (166 feet)

While some sources say that warlords are 60 m, others say that it's "merely" 33 m. When one considers that Emperor Titans are supposedly the biggest Titans, one has to conclude that the smaller figure seems more accurate.

Brother Coa wrote:Warhound - 15 meters (45 feet)
Reaver Class Titan is around 40-50 meters (120-150 feet)
Warlord Titan - 60 meters (180 feet)
The Imperator - 55.5 meters (166ft)
The Warmonger is very similar in structure and appearance to the Imperator Titan.

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Somebody needs to do some serious measurement correcting.

An Abrams has a height of 2.44 meters, so a warhound is like six Abrams stacked on top of one another (it's also just over two wide, and around one and a half long long, since an Abrams is 2.44m*4.66m*7.93m, and a warhound is 15m*11m*12m).

Also, reavers are 22 meters, and warlords are 33 meters.

Titans actually have sizes that makes sense, once you get past the impracticality of giant walking tanks. Technically, a baneblade should outgun and outrun a warhound, going off size comparisons, but Titans are magic god-machines that are possibly the most singularly advanced piece of imperial technology, as well as possessing the highest "advancement versus usefulness" ratio, nudging at least a little ahead of "anything Space Marines use on a regular basis"; that is to say, a warhound is probably dozens of times as advanced as a baneblade, but is only worth two or three in terms of usefulness (just like how a bolter is dozens of times as advanced as a lasgun, but is only worth two or three).

Manta:
Length - 32m
Width - 52m
Height - 8m

Take Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird for example:

Length - 32.74m
Height - 5.64m ( a little smaller than Manta )
Width - 16.94m ( take approximately 3 SR-71 one by another and you get how Width is Manta ).



Not how I would imagine Titan killer, somebody at GW REALLY need to fix these numbers.

I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?

Ledabot wrote:I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?

Perhaps they forgot to put "or" between. My guess is the Manta can carry up to 48 FireWarriors or 8 battlesuits or 2 Devilfish etc...

Regarding the Manta, this picture from FW should help.

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Vaktathi wrote:I like Waffles.

Waffles don't like you, since you didn't specify your opinion...

I'm pretty sure I gave my opinion on the topic of waffles. They are delicious.

KingDeath wrote:Regarding the Manta, this picture from FW should help.

Thanks, but this only proves that even the battle suits are not that large. Nor are Tau tanks.

I am broken-hearted. How can an imperator not be AT LEAST the size of a (American)football field? And The estimated size for the manta is just pathetic.... I always imagined them to be Horizon-spanning giants that if going at lowest speed would take like 20 minutes to pass over. I thought that the imperator was able to crush city blocks under its feet... And the height for the reaver looks like how big a dreadnought should be... or at least a dreadknight....

Excuse me while I cry in this corner and try to gather up the pieces of my heros...

Nah, dreadnoughts aren't terribly much bigger (significantly wider though) than the Marines entombed inside them. If the standard Marine is nearly 3 metres tall, a dreadnought might be 4, 5 at the most.

And an Imperator Titan can crush city blocks under its feet... just not in one step.

im getting pissed that the poll show that people think that its 150m. on the other page maths have showen it to be about 55-60. bwah!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/232903.page#800185

For comparison of titans

Brother Coa wrote:Manta:
Length - 32m
Width - 52m
Height - 8m

Take Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird for example:

Length - 32.74m
Height - 5.64m ( a little smaller than Manta )
Width - 16.94m ( take approximately 3 SR-71 one by another and you get how Width is Manta ).



Not how I would imagine Titan killer, somebody at GW REALLY need to fix these numbers.

Ledabot wrote:I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?

A Manta is more like a Spectre Gunship, in size and function. The Blackbird was a long-range, high-speed, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, without any armaments; the only way it could take down a Titan is if it crashed into its cockpit at mach 3, and wasn't stopped by the void shields. Remember, though, that it took several Manta's to bring down a single warhound, and that they're such massive, wallowing things that they need supporting air craft to protect them. They're presumably so lumbering because they devote almost the entirety of their space to the storage of ground troops, leaving little room for things like engines, and greatly increasing the weight and drag.

loota boy wrote:I am broken-hearted. How can an imperator not be AT LEAST the size of a (American)football field? And The estimated size for the manta is just pathetic.... I always imagined them to be Horizon-spanning giants that if going at lowest speed would take like 20 minutes to pass over. I thought that the imperator was able to crush city blocks under its feet... And the height for the reaver looks like how big a dreadnought should be... or at least a dreadknight....

Excuse me while I cry in this corner and try to gather up the pieces of my heros...

A lot of people don't seem to realize just how large that is. When we think of distances, we generally think of wide open, horizontal spaces, which make things seem a lot smaller, since 55 meters of open ground is nothing, since at a light walk one covers between one and two meters a second, depending on one's stride. 55 meters of vertical structure is radically different, and just 15 meters of vertical climbing on stairs would wear out the average person.

The Imperator titan is like 23 Abrams stacked on top of one another, in five columns three deep. That's absurdly huge for a land-based vehicle. It's bigger than you can reasonably build an aircraft too, though small next to what you can put on water.

I know... It's just... I always pictured them as so high you couldn't see the top... So big you could fit Andora on it... Well, maybe not Andora... But a city...

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Manta:
Length - 32m
Width - 52m
Height - 8m

Take Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird for example:

Length - 32.74m
Height - 5.64m ( a little smaller than Manta )
Width - 16.94m ( take approximately 3 SR-71 one by another and you get how Width is Manta ).



Not how I would imagine Titan killer, somebody at GW REALLY need to fix these numbers.

Ledabot wrote:I bet you could get the blackbird to pull of a titan kill. their just to aousome to fail. on mantas. how do the fit 4 tanks and like 60 dudes inside again?

A Manta is more like a Spectre Gunship, in size and function. The Blackbird was a long-range, high-speed, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, without any armaments; the only way it could take down a Titan is if it crashed into its cockpit at mach 3, and wasn't stopped by the void shields. Remember, though, that it took several Manta's to bring down a single warhound, and that they're such massive, wallowing things that they need supporting air craft to protect them. They're presumably so lumbering because they devote almost the entirety of their space to the storage of ground troops, leaving little room for things like engines, and greatly increasing the weight and drag.

loota boy wrote:I am broken-hearted. How can an imperator not be AT LEAST the size of a (American)football field? And The estimated size for the manta is just pathetic.... I always imagined them to be Horizon-spanning giants that if going at lowest speed would take like 20 minutes to pass over. I thought that the imperator was able to crush city blocks under its feet... And the height for the reaver looks like how big a dreadnought should be... or at least a dreadknight....

Excuse me while I cry in this corner and try to gather up the pieces of my heros...

A lot of people don't seem to realize just how large that is. When we think of distances, we generally think of wide open, horizontal spaces, which make things seem a lot smaller, since 55 meters of open ground is nothing, since at a light walk one covers between one and two meters a second, depending on one's stride. 55 meters of vertical structure is radically different, and just 15 meters of vertical climbing on stairs would wear out the average person.

The Imperator titan is like 23 Abrams stacked on top of one another, in five columns three deep. That's absurdly huge for a land-based vehicle. It's bigger than you can reasonably build an aircraft too, though small next to what you can put on water.

to put it down to people 55 meters is very tall.
every time you rise 250 feet thats like walking a mile. So the only problem is that the human mind cannot comprehend just how big that really is. Its kinda like trying to think how big the universe is. It will make your head explode.

I get what you're saying, and I completely agree that 55m is pretty big. But I always imagined the larger titans being comparable to skyscrapers in height. When you look at The Dreadnote chart, you realize the Empire State Building, which is tiny by skyscraper standards, towers over a Warlord. It's not even close to half the height of the Eiffel Tower

So it's not so much that 55m is small, it just that not skyscraper big.

Asherian Command wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/232903.page#800185

For comparison of titans

Im glad someone listened to me



But yea the size does kidnda suck. I grew up hearing stories of the titans (before they actually made models and rules for them) and the Imperator was the king of them all. I remember being told it could hold an entire company of Space Marines in its feet, and yea also heard it could just step on the standard 40k sized army back then and that was the end of the match

Grass4hopper wrote:I get what you're saying, and I completely agree that 55m is pretty big. But I always imagined the larger titans being comparable to skyscrapers in height. When you look at The Dreadnote chart, you realize the Empire State Building, which is tiny by skyscraper standards, towers over a Warlord. It's not even close to half the height of the Eiffel Tower

So it's not so much that 55m is small, it just that not skyscraper big.

I understand your feeling, But at least it dwarfs star wars stuff Lol.
And plus let us not forget the triple sized Emperor Classed Titans... Which make every titan look like a freaking mouse.

Maybe this'll help a bit, maybe not. At least it'll give a more...human dimension to these things, rather than just big blocks of buildings from afar. Wikipedia's providing the heights, and none should include any pedestals they may be standing on.

Going by The Dreadnote's size chart, this guy's about the height of a warhound.



Note that their proportions are significantly different, as a Warhound has bigger shoulders than even Paul Bunyan!

So how about a revenant?



Note that the Vulcan statue is the largest cast iron statue in the world.

And even this next guy is only a meter taller than a revenant. Also note that this is about the height of the Mount Rushmore heads.



This seated Buddha is about as tall as a Reaver. He contains a museum.



Cristo de la Concordia is the largest Jesus in the world (taller than Christ the Redeemer even). He is about the height of a Warlord.



Then comes the statue of liberty.

Then comes the Imperator, somewhere in between these statues.

While the 50-60m scale seems accurate, I would have liked the 200m figure much more imo. Imperators were supposed to be the Gods among God Machines, things truly insane.

If it helps

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
A Manta is more like a Spectre Gunship, in size and function. The Blackbird was a long-range, high-speed, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, without any armaments; the only way it could take down a Titan is if it crashed into its cockpit at mach 3, and wasn't stopped by the void shields. Remember, though, that it took several Manta's to bring down a single warhound, and that they're such massive, wallowing things that they need supporting air craft to protect them. They're presumably so lumbering because they devote almost the entirety of their space to the storage of ground troops, leaving little room for things like engines, and greatly increasing the weight and drag.

Thank's for the link, I didn't even remembered Spectre when I was searching ( I was trying in that category only Antonov 225, but he is much bigger than Manta ).


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Asherian Command wrote:
every time you rise 250 feet thats like walking a mile. So the only problem is that the human mind cannot comprehend just how big that really is. Its kinda like trying to think how big the universe is. It will make your head explode.

It's not that, they are "Gods of war" and we always Imagine them a little higher. As for the universe it's not that big actually. We live in a galxyt with billions of stars, there are billions of galaxy's out there, but what exist beyond our universe? Where is our universe expanding to?

Now, this claims make your head to explode


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Andrew1975 wrote:If it helps

I didn't know that Space Marines are THAT tall

Titans still look ultra awesome even with correct scale, on the table top where our wars are fought, the scale of titans are pretty dead on, considering they are not scaled to be ultra huge due to having it still playable on the tables
10"-11" for warhounds
18" reavers
24"-26" warlords
33"-40" Imperators
In these sizes,I could still imagine them being playable on normal height tables with the 28mm scaled soldiers running around their feet or even trying to fight them, heheh.