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Have at it.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1830601a_Grey_Knights_v1_0.pdf

FFS finally. Reading now.


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Jesus Christ! NERFBAT ALERT!

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1830600a_40k_Rulebook_version_1_3.pdf

And a rulebook FAQ also.

According to what I see, it looks like Hammerhand stacks.

pg. 3

Q: Do the effects of the same psychic power cast
multiple times on the same unit stack? (p50)
A: Yes, unless specifically stated otherwise.

Well...after reading that... GW really hate Tau.

In a way its kinda a very intelligent way of marketing. Allow codex creep, then nerf once models are bought.

Q: What counts as a Daemon? (p21)
A: Everything in the Chaos Daemons codex, Daemon
Princes, Possessed Chaos Space Marines, Obliterators,
summoned greater Daemons, summoned lesser
Daemons, any vehicle with the daemonic possesion
upgrade, Daemonhosts, Mandrakes, Kheradruakh the
Decapitator, the Avatar.

I honestly didn't think they would actually clear that one up

How does this FAQ nerf GK? Everything seems perfectly reasonable unless you've been playing by strict RAW and allowing +2A falchions, unlimited henchmen and dreadknights that can shunt on scouting

Stacking hammerhand is pretty good!

A single librarian can no longer cast hammerhand twice(even if failed), so that's kind of a nerf.

Kirasu wrote:How does this FAQ nerf GK? Everything seems perfectly reasonable unless you've been playing by strict RAW and allowing +2A falchions, unlimited henchmen and dreadknights that can shunt on scouting

Stacking hammerhand is pretty good!

Scoutshunting was a large tactic used by many. Falches I never expected to be 2 attacks, but its what RAW said. Almost everything in the FAQ had a negative affect on GK in some way.

Yeah I don't see how this nerfed them at all....

Q: Does the entire unit need to be equipped with rad,
psyk-out and/or psychotroke grenades for their effects
to work or is just one model being equiped with them
enough? (p60)
A: One model in a unit is enough.

nerfed?...lol yeah

All their answers make sense, and most commonly argued issues have been answered. Who cares whether it nerfs or buffs them, at least we finally know what to do.

GW has been siding heavily with RAI in this entire edition. I have no sympathy for people who build their armies based upon obvious typos and strict RAW just to be struck down by a FAQ.. over and over again

People should know by now what to expect imo. If you built your list around +2A falchions then I guess its.. too bad so sad

Stacking hammerhand is pretty damn good

Actually they did both RAW and RAI stuff. See Demon Fists on dread knights, stacking Hammerhands and anything related to servo skulls.
Hammerhand would also never stack to more than +3 strength(+4 depending on your interpretation of Justicar Thawn)under the new rules.

You rarely need to scout-shunt when you've got jumppack movement anyway.

I'm a little disappointed with the new psychic rules, particularly not being able to use non-shooting powers more than once a turn. (complete rule change there) Whatever though....its not like it breaks any of my armies.

For the guys that thought that DreadKnights were either Jumpackers OR MC's but could not be both...

IN

YOUR

FACE!

Common sense has served me well!

So many sick burn rulings in this ruling when it comes to YMDC.

Jaon wrote:

Kirasu wrote:How does this FAQ nerf GK? Everything seems perfectly reasonable unless you've been playing by strict RAW and allowing +2A falchions, unlimited henchmen and dreadknights that can shunt on scouting

Stacking hammerhand is pretty good!

Scoutshunting was a large tactic used by many. Falches I never expected to be 2 attacks, but its what RAW said. Almost everything in the FAQ had a negative affect on GK in some way.

Anyone who actually thought you were going to be able to shunt with a scout move is just plain silly.

Jidmah wrote:Actually they did both RAW and RAI stuff. See Demon Fists on dread knights, stacking Hammerhands and anything related to servo skulls.
Hammerhand would also never stack to more than +3 strength(+4 depending on your interpretation of Justicar Thawn)under the new rules.

+7 with Thawn

unit +1
HQ #1 +1
HQ #2 +1
Techmarine #1 +1
Techmarine #2 +1
Techmarine #3 +1
Thawn +1

Deadshane1 wrote:You rarely need to scout-shunt when you've got jumppack movement anyway.

I'm a little disappointed with the new psychic rules, particularly not being able to use non-shooting powers more than once a turn. (complete rule change there) Whatever though....its not like it breaks any of my armies.

For the guys that thought that DreadKnights were either Jumpackers OR MC's but could not be both...

IN

YOUR

FACE!

Common sense has served me well!

A dreadknight with a personal teleporter is still not both. It is a MC that moves like JI, just like the HT with Wings or DP with Wings were changed to.

The only one that surprised me was the Doomfist Ruling. They gave the model Dreadnought CCW's but then pretty much ruled it that they're now just normal CCW's. And yeah, unless you were using scout-shunting Dreadknights in stormravens then I don't see how this was much of a nerf.

If anything the Termies in chimeras ruling will make for some pretty interesting lists.

Brother Ramses wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:You rarely need to scout-shunt when you've got jumppack movement anyway.

I'm a little disappointed with the new psychic rules, particularly not being able to use non-shooting powers more than once a turn. (complete rule change there) Whatever though....its not like it breaks any of my armies.

For the guys that thought that DreadKnights were either Jumpackers OR MC's but could not be both...

IN

YOUR

FACE!

Common sense has served me well!

A dreadknight with a personal teleporter is still not both. It is a MC that moves like JI, just like the HT with Wings or DP with Wings were changed to.

If it quacks like a duck.....

Deadshane1 wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:You rarely need to scout-shunt when you've got jumppack movement anyway.

I'm a little disappointed with the new psychic rules, particularly not being able to use non-shooting powers more than once a turn. (complete rule change there) Whatever though....its not like it breaks any of my armies.

For the guys that thought that DreadKnights were either Jumpackers OR MC's but could not be both...

IN

YOUR

FACE!

Common sense has served me well!

A dreadknight with a personal teleporter is still not both. It is a MC that moves like JI, just like the HT with Wings or DP with Wings were changed to.

If it quacks like a duck.....

Ok then Dead since you are so insistent on them being both, when you move within the 24" range of my Rune Priest that has cast Tempest Wrath, start treating all terrain as both difficult and dangerous terrain.

Everyone else that plays it that a mc that only moves as jump infantry, I won't tell them they have to treat all terrain as both difficult and dangerous. Just you.

Q. Taking Inquisitor Coteaz in your force turns
Henchman Warbands into troops choices. Does this
mean that they take up a force organisation slot and
can no longer be taken as an elites choice? (p33)
A. Yes to both questions.

It appears that you're limited to 6 Henchmen groups if you take Coteaz, which I remember being argued heavily.


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The RAW on Jokaero was confirmed as being the correct interpretation, too:

Q: For each Jokaero Weaponsmith in a henchman unit
after the first you add +1 to the Inconceivable
Customisation roll. Does this mean that if you have 6 or
more Jokaero in a unit that they will receive no
bonuses (as you cannot roll less than a 6 and duplicate
rolls are ignored)? (p50)
A: Yes.

I was wondering what happens if you take coteaz and another inquisitor. Can you have 6 troop henchmen from coteaz and then 1 that is for the other inquisitor? I would say yes.


Maybe no now that I read it again. It pretty much flat out says all henchmen are now troops.

Things I find most intriguing:

From the GK FAQ:

No +2 attacks from Falchions
Warbands take up Troop FoC Slots with Coteaz
Dreadknights are Str. 6 with Doomfists
If the GK is reduced to I1, his halberd doesn't work.

From the Rulebook FAQ:

You cannot cast the same power twice in one turn, unless specifically allowed

For some reason I didn't think they would touch the whole, "Unit as a Psyker" issue w/ regards to Crucible of Malediction.

How are Mandrakes Deamons? Did I miss something on this one?

jbunny wrote:How are Mandrakes Deamons? Did I miss something on this one?

The desc from the DE codex describes them as being from a different dimension or something

There already is a thread going on about this the news and rumors forum. Youm can find it here.

I mostly agree with the things in here. Mostly. I was going to give a breakdown of things I liked versus things that were outright stupid, but I shortened it to what pissed me off as an exercise in brevity:

Dreadnoughts Scoring with Unyielding Anvil. Words can not express the level of frustration I'm feeling in trying to contort my brain in such a fashion as would allow me to understand how this is even possible. I've no interest in reopening that argument; Let me just part this subject by saying that I feel as though, for a company who develops procedural systems, GW has a startling lack of grasp on the concept of inherited states.

Dreadknight Doomfists. Oh, so NOW we're going with the RAW? Sure it's okay now? Well, if you say so. At any rate, this gives us a reason to actually take the other weapons, and was what I was waiting for before starting my DK builds, so I can progress my army.

Falchions giving +1 A instead of +2 A. Why? Balancewise, they're terrible now, and it flies in the face of RAW, just like the dreadnought ruling above. At least now on the bright side all of my falchions can become swords for my pewter GK.

Plasma Syphon weapons. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy they expanded the list. It was completely useless before, but now I think it has almost too many weapons on it. Really hurts Tau. I'm really not as bothered by this one though because, as yak said in the other thread, it's still pretty bad a piece of gear.

I think it's good stuff. It settles a whole lot of very common sense stuff that people were being very stubborn with. Like the dreadnought scoring issue, among other things.

And as far as stacking powers, that is negated if you fail to cast the first time, right?

And, dreadknights with personal teleporter can still be targeted by JotWW, since "It is a monstrous creature that moves like jump infantry."

merlin96 wrote:I think it's good stuff. It settles a whole lot of very common sense stuff that people were being very stubborn with. Like the dreadnought scoring issue, among other things.

If it's so 'common', why was the poll someone put up at about 50%?