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I'm not very informed with the fluff of the Gray Knights, so if this is a really dumb question sorry about that

Anyways is it possible for Gray Knights to turn to chaos? You here a lot about renegade's so is it at all possible(or ever happened) for a Gray Knight to succumb to the forces of chaos? If not is their a given reason why?

No. Their the purest minds chosen to combat chaos becuse of the un-corruptibility.

The Grey Knights are incorruptible.

*Grey
And no. They can't...

No they can't turn to Chaos, they are incorruptible as others have stated.
Since you mentioned it, here's a particularly helpful link that may fulfil all your fluff needs:
http://www.lexicanum.com/

purplefood wrote:*Grey
And no. They can't...

Both Grey, and Gray are acceptable forms of the word. Gray is not incorrect, and it's just the form of been using since birth

Anyways thanks for all the helpful answers.

Kazerkinelite wrote:

purplefood wrote:*Grey
And no. They can't...

Both Grey, and Gray are acceptable forms of the word. Gray is not incorrect, and it's just the form of been using since birth

Anyways thanks for all the helpful answers.

Yeah but Gray makes me feel weird when i read it... go figure.

My ex girlfriend turned a Grey Knight to Chaos once. So I guess your're all wrong.

Nothing is impossible with Chaos! Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't! There is no record of any Grey Knight falling to Chaos...YET! But, like everything in regards to Chaos, corruption is inevitable!! And it has nothing but time!!

ToBeWilly wrote:Nothing is impossible with Chaos! Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't! There is no record of any Grey Knight falling to Chaos...YET! But, like everything in regards to Chaos, corruption is inevitable!! And it has nothing but time!!

Grey Knights can't be corrupted.

Kazerkinelite wrote:I'm not very informed with the fluff of the Gray Knights, so if this is a really dumb question sorry about that

Anyways is it possible for Gray Knights to turn to chaos? You here a lot about renegade's so is it at all possible(or ever happened) for a Gray Knight to succumb to the forces of chaos? If not is their a given reason why?

100% impossible. Their psychological conditioning makes it literally impossible for them to fall. Their brains would break before they did. They are covered in hexagrammic wards that would incinerate their bones if they fell to chaos. They are 100% chaos-proof in mind and spirit.

ph34r wrote:

Kazerkinelite wrote:I'm not very informed with the fluff of the Gray Knights, so if this is a really dumb question sorry about that

Anyways is it possible for Gray Knights to turn to chaos? You here a lot about renegade's so is it at all possible(or ever happened) for a Gray Knight to succumb to the forces of chaos? If not is their a given reason why?

100% impossible. Their psychological conditioning makes it literally impossible for them to fall. Their brains would break before they did. They are covered in hexagrammic wards that would incinerate their bones if they fell to chaos. They are 100% chaos-proof in mind and spirit.

They just need a little blood to fix them up for a bit. Just ask the Sisters of Battle.

coolyo294 wrote:Grey Knights can't be corrupted.

No...they just haven't been corrupted yet. Nothing is 100% certain in 40k.

ph34r wrote:100% impossible. Their psychological conditioning makes it literally impossible for them to fall. Their brains would break before they did. They are covered in hexagrammic wards that would incinerate their bones if they fell to chaos. They are 100% chaos-proof in mind and spirit.

Again, nothing is 100% certain in 40k. They are well protected, certainly, but not infallible. They need to believe they are 100% protected, for doubt would be the first crack in the armour.

It's never been recorded as happening, but nothing is impossible.

Durza wrote:It's never been recorded as happening, but nothing is impossible.

Tru dat. You're all on the "It can't happen" bandwagon. Until the latest Black Library book comes out where Draigo and Brother-Captain Stern are chasing Draigo's honour guard around the warp because they got turned by Slaneesh or Khorne. Then you're all on another bandwagon. This is fiction, and an ever changing one at that. Don't be so closed minded.

-MightyG

MightyGodzilla wrote:

Durza wrote:It's never been recorded as happening, but nothing is impossible.

Tru dat. You're all on the "It can't happen" bandwagon. Until the latest Black Library book comes out where Draigo and Brother-Captain Stern are chasing Draigo's honour guard around the warp because they got turned by Slaneesh or Khorne. Then you're all on another bandwagon. This is fiction, and an ever changing one at that. Don't be so closed minded.

-MightyG

Considering that it's the most fundamental, defining part of the Grey Knights fluff I'd say it's pretty rigid. Breaking it would be like having the Mechanicus throw away an STC printout. Sure, it could happen, but the fluff would have to be seriously maimed in order for something like that to take place.

The day GW makes a Chaos GK army is the day I leave this hobby. The very idea is just so colossally stupid that it hurts my brain thinking about it.

Even if some GK fell to chaos, no one would ever call them on it because no one would believe it. And if no one declares them chaos, they can't ever be chaos. Kind of a tree falling in the forest thing. Maybe..

coolyo294 wrote:The day GW makes a Chaos GK army is the day I leave this hobby. The very idea is just so colossally stupid that it hurts my brain thinking about it.

The day Necrons team up with another faction and part as friends is... wait...

Let's be honest, certain individuals who shall remain nameless have seriously punched the fluff in the face and could easily do so again. Now, I agree that the Grey Knights are 100% pure and cannot be corrupted. But that can change... Maybe the next Black Templar codex will feature the BTs working with Tyranids to fight Khornate Grey Knights.

So yes, Grey Knights are 100% pure. No they cannot be corrupted without the aid of some serious fluff wrecking.

as ive said before, if someone makes a chaos grey knights army, im gonna make an Imperial demons army!

dajobe wrote:as ive said before, if someone makes a chaos grey knights army, im gonna make an Imperial demons army!

That would be awesome! I can perfectly imagine a bloodletter with a commissar hat...

Isn't it part of their fluff that none of them have ever fallen to Chaos and, yet, each one dreads being "the first"?

Their minds and spirits are incorruptible, true. Their flesh is not, but corrupting their flesh gains Chaos no allies, just a Marine that fights unto his last breath, a frothing pile of tentacles and eye-stalks.

That said... it's not impossible, just exceedingly unlikely. More to the point, when/whoever "The First" will be, I don't think it will be because Chaos corrupted him, but because he makes the willing choice to serve the Ruinous Powers, for whatever plot-point is deemed appropriate when it happens. It will probably be in the manner depicted through a number of Radical Inquisitors and related fluff. "It is such a small thing, to fall..." and so forth. It won't be a single, major, epic event, but rather the culmination of choices, beliefs and practices that the GK chooses to undertake that lead, eventually, to his downfall... but this will be the subject of books, rather than some random rule tossed into a codex.

However, until such a thing happens... no, Grey Knights don't fall to Chaos, they're incorruptible.

ToBeWilly wrote:
Again, nothing is 100% certain in 40k. They are well protected, certainly, but not infallible. They need to believe they are 100% protected, for doubt would be the first crack in the armour.

The Emperor is actually an Ethereal, Eldar are actually mutated space marines, and Chaos is actually being puppeteered into strengthening the Imperium as we know it by a clever Inquisitor named Fred, destroying themselves in the process.

This statement makes no sense, is kind of lame, flies in the face of established fluff, and generally not accepted, but hey, nothing is 100% certain in 40k, right?

Also, for further discussion, here are the last two threads on "Chaos Grey Knights":

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/377435.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/210/376588.page

CrazyThang wrote:

dajobe wrote:as ive said before, if someone makes a chaos grey knights army, im gonna make an Imperial demons army!

That would be awesome! I can perfectly imagine a bloodletter with a commissar hat...

i believe that we have had this exact same interaction, in a different forum with the exact same topic! lol

coolyo294 wrote:

ToBeWilly wrote:Nothing is impossible with Chaos! Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't! There is no record of any Grey Knight falling to Chaos...YET! But, like everything in regards to Chaos, corruption is inevitable!! And it has nothing but time!!

Grey Knights can't be corrupted.

If Grey Knights cannot ever be corrupted by any means, how can Crowe and the Purifiers be even more uncorruptable? Even Garrow, the head of the most uncorruptable of the Grey Knights, is placed in "physical and spiritual peril" by his possession of the Blade of Antwyr. If he cannot be corrupted, how can he be in peril?
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Chaos Grey Knights could always just be psychic CSM using gear designed to look like Grey Knight equipment just to mess with inquisitors. Make the normal Grey Knights doubt themselves, make the inquisitors begin to doubt the Grey Knights, make the Space Wolves doubt the inquisition even more, and reveal the Grey Knights to the Imperium at large. There could be considerable benefits to make fake Chaos "Grey Knights."

RustyKnight wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

ToBeWilly wrote:Nothing is impossible with Chaos! Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't! There is no record of any Grey Knight falling to Chaos...YET! But, like everything in regards to Chaos, corruption is inevitable!! And it has nothing but time!!

Grey Knights can't be corrupted.

If Grey Knights cannot ever be corrupted by any means, how can Crowe and the Purifiers be even more uncorruptable? Even Garrow, the head of the most uncorruptable of the Grey Knights, is placed in "physical and spiritual peril" by his possession of the Blade of Antwyr. If he cannot be corrupted, how can he be in peril?
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Chaos Grey Knights could always just be psychic CSM using gear designed to look like Grey Knight equipment just to mess with inquisitors. Make the normal Grey Knights doubt themselves, make the inquisitors begin to doubt the Grey Knights, make the Space Wolves doubt the inquisition even more, and reveal the Grey Knights to the Imperium at large. There could be considerable benefits to make fake Chaos "Grey Knights."

Lexicanum wrote:[The] Blade of Antwyr, a daemon sword that cannot be destroyed or wielded by a lesser mortal.

Crowe's wardenship of the Blade of Antwyr has brought him both physical and spiritual peril... Crowe must do psychic battle with the Blade itself, for it strives ever to tempt him with promises of power or bind his will with the blackest sorceries. As such, Crowe never draws upon the Blade's powers, relying instead on its physical properties and his own skill at arms.

Because the Grey Knights shouldn't even use Demon Weapons. Another FUN* piece of fluff we can attribute to an unnamed source.

*Warning, FUN is guaranteed to cause RAGE, RAGE is not FUN.

ToBeWilly wrote:

ph34r wrote:100% impossible. Their psychological conditioning makes it literally impossible for them to fall. Their brains would break before they did. They are covered in hexagrammic wards that would incinerate their bones if they fell to chaos. They are 100% chaos-proof in mind and spirit.

Again, nothing is 100% certain in 40k. They are well protected, certainly, but not infallible. They need to believe they are 100% protected, for doubt would be the first crack in the armour.

The GK book literally says that they are infallible and that it would be impossible for one to fall.

ph34r wrote:The GK book literally says that they are infallible and that it would be impossible for one to fall.

First rule of story telling: Nothing is impossible.

Second rule of story telling: Saying that something is impossible makes it more likely to happen.

Doesnt it say they have not been currupted, or at least no recorded currupting, but I dont think it says they cannot be currupted.

nomotog wrote:

ph34r wrote:The GK book literally says that they are infallible and that it would be impossible for one to fall.

First rule of story telling: Nothing is impossible.

Second rule of story telling: Saying that something is impossible makes it more likely to happen.

To answer these:

First "rule": Except within the confines of the source universe/shared world.

Second "rule": See rule 1.