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ok so i am really thinking about starting Chaos Space Marines, an i am looking into getting a starting army that looks something like this:

HQ: Daemon Prince
1 Daemon Prince: Wings + Mark of Nurgle + Warptime

Troops: Plague Marines
6 Plague Marines: Personal Icon + Meltagun x2
1 Plague Championower Fist + Combi-flamer
1 Rhino,

Troops: Plague Marines
6 Plague Marines: Personal Icon + Meltagun x2
1 Plague Championower Fist + Combi-flamer
1 Rhino,

Troops: Plague Marines
6 Plague Marines: Personal Icon + Meltagun x2
1 Plague Championower Fist + Combi-flamer
1 Rhino,

Heavy Support: Vindicator

Heavy Support: Vindicator

The list is about 1509 points i gotta see where i can drop some points or i will prolly just drop a vindicator then add another squad of PM, any ideas?

PM's are a great choice for any chaos army. They form the bulk of my army, supported by berzerkers. You cant go wrong with either of those units, although i wuold suggest adding some obliterators, possibly by dropping a vindicator

PM's aren't a bad idea but I also suggest looking into getting obliterators. Just played them for the first time two days ago and they wrecked my bro's heavy, transpo, and fast attack choices.

def pick up some blits and if you cant buy em get random weapons and some termies and gs and make some thats what i did. Zerkers are a good unit. and dont for get the rhinos always have rhinos.

Don't play chaos marines. Wait for the next codex and see if it's better than the current one.

Well as far as i have seen they are not going to be for a long time, and i am not really looking for the "dont play them" i am looking for advice on improving the list.

I would leave the Vindicators despite them having problems, though I am a fan of them TBH. They do best moving up adding armour saturation and target threats to the opponent. I would drop those power fists from the Plague Marines because they'll die in combat over time while the fist won't kill much, I would invest the points from the champions then into a unit of Havocs giving a little bit of long range fire power.

when you say leave do you mean dont use them or keep them in the list? i am slightly slow, and im guessing havocs are devestators?

Leave them in the list. And yes Havocs are CSM Devs.

vindis are nice if you have em demonically possessed worth the 20 pts

well i can take out the power fists and champions then use the extra points for the Havocs then demonic possession if i have the extra points

I would consider changing your DP to one with MoT and Lash considering every unit you have has a template weapon. Of course if youre going for a Nurgle themed army then disregard this.

I would NOT drop the PF from the Plague Marines. They have such amazing survivability in close combat that you're gonna rack up PF kills like nobody's business.

If you're gonna take Vindicators, take them with Daemonic Possession.

I'd use a Lash Prince if you're doing Vindis. If you're set on using a Nurgle prince, I'd drop the Vindicators for Oblits.

haha, yea thanks but i wanted a Nurgle theme, plain and simple because i love the model. but would anyone suggest perhaps using a defiler? or is the vindicator better?

I like Defilers. Possessed Vindicators can be better, but without Oblits, you have no ranged firepower. And with no Lash, you're not gonna get as much use from the Vindis. I'd add in Obliterators for sure.

Obliterators are bestest. I think your list looks good but I would definitely switch out the vindicators and try to fit in 4 oblits instead. They're glorious IMO. My friends always rage when I play six of them in my 2k list.

Ok so a different list would consist of this:

HQ: Daemon Prince
1 Daemon Prince: Wings + Mark of Nurgle + Warptime

Troops: Plague Marines
6 Plague Marines: Personal Icon + Meltagun x2
1 Plague Championower Fist + Combi-flamer
1 Rhino,

Troops: Plague Marines
6 Plague Marines: Personal Icon + Meltagun x2
1 Plague Championower Fist + Combi-flamer
1 Rhino,

Troops: Plague Marines
6 Plague Marines: Personal Icon + Meltagun x2
1 Plague Championower Fist + Combi-flamer
1 Rhino,

Heavy Support: 2x Obliterators

Heavy Support: 2x Obliterators

I decided to keep the PF only because wtwlf123 is right in the fact that these Marines are quiet tough in CC I would love to use a Vindicator but i still want the List to put up an amazing fight perhaps if i decide to bump up to 2k points i will add in one. now i dont know if the list about is below 1500, so i will redo the points when i get home, but it should be close

Also would anyone have any advise on adding wings to the nurgle demon prince? looks and just the best way to do it?

Drop the Personal Icons from the PM squads. You don't need them at all.

Please explain, i added them because i saw a ton of people using them, and they direct something, sorry noob questions i know, can talk about Tau all day but Chaos forget about it.

Hmm, I don't have my codex with me either but I think it is around 1273.

HQ: 175
Troops: 266 x 3 = 798
HS: 300

Total: 1273

This is by memory but I can't be too far off. Leaves a lot of room for many a options.


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Personal icons assist in deepstriking, so if you're going to DS those oblits in, then they may very well be helpful.

GreyTauKnight wrote:Please explain, i added them because i saw a ton of people using them, and they direct something, sorry noob questions i know, can talk about Tau all day but Chaos forget about it.

What are you directing with them? People should only be using them to guide Termicide units onto the table.

Plague MArines are a great starting choice for Chaos. They are very effective at holding objectives and keeping the enemy at bay because they dont die much. The Daemon prince is also a great unit to use as well. As for the vindys I wouldn't take them though. They really aren't too good without daeomonic possession. I'd substitute either Obliterators or maybe even Defilers in there.

ahh, very well so only use them if i am deep striking, and i would assume that is not something i should do?

Well personally I think it's worth the 15 points to give one to each of your 3 squads, but you may or may not make use of them. I go games without using them and I go games where I use them entirely. Depends on your style of play or perhaps the mission.

GreyTauKnight wrote:ahh, very well so only use them if i am deep striking, and i would assume that is not something i should do?

No actually I wouldnt use them deep striking for the sole purpose in this list you are going to need them for Anti-Tank. I would start them out on the table like in terrain somewhere and wreak havoc on Tanks. If you can prevent the enemy from moving them then you can obliterate the infantry with plasma cannons. Keep in mind its all about target priority with Oblits. I just dont think it would be wise to deep strike them in this list considering your a little low on anti-tank.

GreyTauKnight wrote:ahh, very well so only use them if i am deep striking, and i would assume that is not something i should do?

Correct. Maximize the total Firepower output from those Oblits. They should start on the board, and be shooting every turn. There's nothing else you CAN deepstrike w/ Icon guides, so there's no reason to pay the points for them.

no i really wanna get home so i can look at the actual point values and get a corrected list up

DP - 175
Plague Marines - 266
Plague Marines - 266
Plague Marines - 266
Oblits x2 - 150
Oblits x2 - 150

= 1,273

so i have another 227 points any suggestions?

A 2nd Winged Daemon Prince of Nurgle and combi-weapons for your Rhinos.