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After battle testing and doing some heavy searching I have what I beleive is my final list ready now. Only thing I was not 100% on was thinking about cutting 1 battle wagon to get 2 trukks, not sure if good idea or not and was thinking about cutting to put a burnam on mek. I would like feed back and if you think I need list changes please give me a sample and reason why for changes thanks. Also one more thing some one said that a battle gives squad in it a 26 inch assualt? is that true.

Big Mek-kff and cybork
Warboss-squig,pk,cybork,bike

Loota(5)
Loota(5)
Kommandos(10)snikrot and 2 burna

Gretchin(10)runtherd
shoota boyz (20)nob,pk,pole,2 rokkits
battle wagon-riggers,bs,deffrolla
shoota boyz (19)nob,pk,pole,2 rokkits
battle wagon-riggers,bs,deffrolla
shoota boyz (20)nob,pk,pole,2 rokkits
battle wagon-riggers,bs,deffrolla
Nob Bikers(8)banner,painboy,pole,pk,4 big choppa,2 runts,4 kombi rokkits

Stormboyz(20)zagstruck
Deffkopta-TL rokkits
Deffkopta-TL rokkits

Gretin to hold ojectives, big mek in with boyz, only 1 1 pk in nobz becasue of warboss with them.
thanks for help

Need to bump it and get feed back please, unless its flawless in design

I think the 'Wagons need Armor Plates, and the Koptas need Saws.

armour plates are 10 pts per not sure were to get points, I tried saws on kopters didn t seem to be worth the points.

If you can't take Buzzsaws on koptas...I wouldn't even bother running them.

OK then ill try saw again on koptor but what to change? Also can battlewagon assault 26"?

How do you get a BW assaulting 26"? I am curious to hear this.

I don't know about DeffKoptas with buzzsaws either it is going to be my first time useing them as well..I am hopeing they are worth there points and KP's. We will see I guess

They usually are worth their points for me. Look at this this way, for 70 points you get:

a.) potentially crippling, or at least very advantageous alpha strike potential (scout 24", move 12", assault 6" on a vehicle that has not yet moved on your first turn - or maybe a pack of longfangs)
b.) potentially crippling, possibly advantageous outflank potential (contest late game objectives/blow up enemy armor, etc)
c.) 70 point distraction for your opponent if you zip them around with a 3+ cover save and soak up fire, if there are no potential targets for it.
d.) If you run them as a unit, attach a Boss Biker to them for some extra killyness and fortitude.

Moral of the story? Deffkoptas have got some potential for 70 points

The 26" Assault thing is true but here's the math

Battlewagon w/ Red Paint Job, Waaagh! called...

13" Movement from BW, 2" disembark, 1-6" Fleet of Foot from Waaagh!, and 6" assault. Total= 22-27" range.

Deffkotpas needs buzzsaws and Storm Boyz are rubbish because they're too expensive, can kill themselves and just normal Boyz.

Agreed about the Stormboyz. I would definitely drop them and spend the points on ...pretty much anything else.

My thought on the stormboyz was deep stirkeing more worth it then kopta, is this not true? even if I take 3 casuatlies inroll for deep strike, zagstruck has int 4 and 5 attacks on charge. Other boyz it would be at worse 16 boyz with int 3 and 4 attacks (one more for pitol and sword) for a todal of 64 attacks! Is having a koptor that much better?

Why would you deep strike a Kopta when they can outflank and scout? Can they even deep strike?

If your gonna assault from the battle wagons, go slugga choppa boyz. also boarding planks and armor plates on wagons are nice. i would kick the koptas for a mek with a shokk attack gun and a boss pole. pop him in with one of the lootas squads. also, if your gonna run kommandos with snikrot (my fav unit) run it at full 15.

The reason i say use boarding planks, you can slam your deffrolla into a transport. if that doesnt pop it, boarding plank it with a nob with pk inside. next turn hop out and assualt the unit. orks are sweet on the assault, bad if they get assualted.

Mercer: not kopta to deepstrike, the stormboyz lol sry for confusion zagstruck allows stormboyz to deepstrike but take d3 in wounds

Kalzuk: I would love to run 15 kommandos but alas I only have 10
I don't like boarding planks think they are a waste, was only wondering about the assaulting just incase I have to but not planing on it

besides koptas what do you all think about the rest of list, should I add another squad of greatin or maybe cut a wagon to get a suad of 30 boyz.

Keep in mind that Kommandos will not be able to outflank in 2 of 3 missions the way that things currently stand.

yeah I thought about that I was going to have them in reserve its only reason to play snikrot


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should I cut 1 bw and turn it into 2 trukks and boyz in them?

Just got done reading all 3 scenarios should I move my bw to heavy rather then desinated transport to save battle point? What would I loose?

Nah, it changes nothing. They're Heavy already, since Boyz can't take BW as DT.

Cut the Kommandos for more lootas and upgrades. And wheres Ghazkull? This is 'Ard Boyz not sissy boys!

Not cutting Kommandos, like there flexability to be a pain, I would add more lootas just not sure, thought about adding 10 more but unsure if its worth it. Gaz is good but more for foot slug I think thats not what am going for, trying to do speed freaks really. I have stupid question then since am still a bit new, do the shoota boyz start outside wagons or can they start inside?

Kommandos can't use their special rules in two of the missions since infiltrate and outflank aren't allowed. Something to keep in mind.

Snikrot has ambush whats all i really care about don t care about infiltrate or outflank

pretre wrote:Keep in mind that Kommandos will not be able to outflank in 2 of 3 missions the way that things currently stand.

you are right they can't outflank but they can ambush which is way better

I like the stormboyz. on turn 2 you can possibly have snikrot coming from behind and the stormboyz assaulting. this can really put a dent in the space wolf long fang garbage or the guard gun line.

i am going to go full horde in my hard boyz list as everybody will be loading up on tank killing guns. 250 orks for the win

If your deep strike rolling is as bad as mine the stormboyz won't get to assault the turn they come in play (the wounds taken count towards combat resolution...be carefull). They can only assault when they come in (no shooting or fleeting). So I would recommend more lootas. Better chance to open all those DE raiders, ork trukks, and rhino/razorbacks (chimeras are a bit harder) that WILL be seen. If you're gonna drop the deffcoptas take rokkit buggies, you can get 2 for just a few points more (MOAR DAKKA!).

Doesn't ambush use the outflank rules with choice of board edge?

pretre wrote:Doesn't ambush use the outflank rules with choice of board edge?

no

" if snikrot is put into reserve he may come in on any table edge."


no mention of outflank the joys of a 4th edition codex

Wow, good to know.

Ok I re added my army found out I was off in my points so here it is once more:

Big Mek - kff,cybork - 95
Warboss - squig,pk,cybork,bike - 150

Lootas(5) - 75
Lootas(5) - 75
Kommandos (10) - snikrot,2 burna - 215

Gretin(10)runtherd - 40
Shoota Boyz(20) - nob,pk,pole,2 rokkits - 180
Shoota Boyz(20) - nob,pk,pole,2 rokkits - 180
Shoota Boyz(19) - nob,pk,pole,2 rokkits - 174
Nob Biker Squad - 503 (all have cybork al well)
nob biker - painboy
nob biker - waagh banner
nob biker - pole
nob biker - pk
nob biker - bc
nob biker - kombi rokkit
nob biker - bc,kombi rokkit
nob biker - runt,kombi rokkit

Kopta - rokkits,saw - 70
Kopta - rokkits,saw - 70
Kopta - rokkits,saw - 70

Battlewagon - rolla,kannon,rigger,plates - 135
Battlewagon - rolla,kannon,rigger,plates - 135
Battlewagon - rolla,kannon,rigger,plates - 135

comes to 2302, I was thinking about if I should add trukk boyz or 2 more nob bikers thoughts

bikers or trukk need some feed back please