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IIRC one of the reasons some of the Astartes rebelled against the Imperium is that they feared what would happen to them if there was no more war, they resented that fact that the rulership of the Imperium was to be done by the Council of Terra which is composed of mere humans. This, to put it lightly, annoyed even the Primarch's seeing as there were those who wanted to rule over humanity or have their voices heard but the Emperor wanted humanity to rule the empire which to me is very telling.

So what do you guys think? What was the Emp's plan when it came to the Astartes and the Primarch's. Was it simply him saying; yes Primarchs you can keep your power but you're not ruling over humanity or was he planning on wiping out the SM's and the Primarchs when he no longer needed them so that they can never pose a danger to his goal of a human lead galactic empire? Or am I just dreaming up conspiracies?

Discuss.

I am sure that Astartes would have hell of a time fighting off Orks ( after all it's a Huge galaxy out there ) and rediscovering all remained Human colonies.
And when Necrons and Tyranids get into the picture...

My personal opinion: after the galaxy was somewhat stabilized I think that all Astartes would be put into stasis living only handful of them awake ( with Primarchs ) to guard the Imperium. And wake up the rest only when some major power is attacking.

My opinion is that the Emperor would gather up all SM:s and lead them to an grand crusade to wipe out any xeno, and chaos activity in the galaxy. After this? Well... the SM:s will be put in stasis as Brother Coa already said.

I am of the opinion that after the invasion of the Milky Way, the Emperor would have moved on to Andromeda and Triangulum.

Small, Far Away wrote:I am of the opinion that after the invasion of the Milky Way, the Emperor would have moved on to Andromeda and Triangulum.

I very much doubt the Emperor ever had a though like this enter his brain.

I think they SMs and primarchs would have stayed around, lots of tomb worlds out there and they needed to be ready for the tyranid invasion, and if the emperor had the foresight that was always said he would have known about all of these threats, plus if he had gotten the ability to use the webway up and running it would have made travel throughout the imperium much faster so the primarchs could much more easily have gathered in a single place for an advisory role or to become the council once the galaxy had settled some.


i also considered going with they merged into devastator and went hunting optimus prime, but that would have been silly

In all honestly, I think if Hours didn't corrupt, The Imperium of Man would have conquered the milky way.
The Webway would have made things really easy.

Given what has happened since the Horus Heresy there seems to still be plenty to fight. One of the things not brought up was how the Ultra Marines Primarch turned his host planet into a paradise through good leadership so I would believe that the Primarchs with the ability to also organize new colonies would be important. Hence letting them actually settle down. Also all Space marines had to go through psycho indocrination so this could easily have been undone for some. Makes you wonder also what would have happened to the Emperor once he had the webway active.... what would have been his next goal. I forsee another big shake up soon for the human race... we are suppose to evolve at some point... just seem to be stuck right now!!

They'd probably be fighting Necrons, Tyranids, and Orks.

There would be politically stability it wouldn't be grimdark anymore.

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:My opinion is that the Emperor would gather up all SM:s and lead them to an grand crusade to wipe out any xeno, and chaos activity in the galaxy. After this? Well... the SM:s will be put in stasis as Brother Coa already said.

You say 'after this' as if there would ever be an end to it... immortal robots, neverending waves of bio-warriors, whatever the gods made instead of Chaos marines...

Just to note, if the Emperor's plan reached fruition...Chaos wouldn't really be a significant threat. No more warp travel, no more constant exposure (Webway!). The only remaining threat to humanity from chaos would come from unregulated psykers and random warp storms unleashing demons...and I guess cultists.

And since the Emperor decided not to tell anyone what Chaos actually was there would've been a lot more cults springing up.

No, the Imperial Truth would have significantly weakened Chaos. That's kinda one of the reasons Chaos decided to put all its chips on Horus because the Big E was killing them slowly.

Without the heresy, astartes would still fight until the whole galaxy is ruled by the IoM.
As orks regrow, new races show up sometimes, necrons wake up, elfs may hide, and nids come into the picture , how should they run out of
opponents to best, systems to conquer, etc etc. Plus some like Magnus may had a role to play that wasn't revealed to us yet.

What you gotta remember is that there is no clear single event resulting in the Heresy there are many contributing factors. Angron still would've needed restraining as I don't believe he could cope with peace, as would Konrad Curze, Magnus probably wouldn't have broken into the golden throne chamber as he wouldn't have had anything to warn the Emperor about but there still would've been the issue of his sorcerous ways rearing their ugly head at some point. And chiefly Lorgar set out on the path to ruin much earlier than the rest, who knows what would have happened had he not been cursed by the weak need to believe in a god?

I suppose He would have "cut funding", so to say. No more foundings, reduced budget and recruitment, decimated Legions (either by combat or simple aging) would get merged instead of having their ranks refreshed by new aspirants. But He'd have kept them around as an elite guard, if only as reward for their service.

And once the IoM would run into any trouble ('nids, necrons, etc) He could have simply increased their power again.

Statis containment sounds like a good solution to deal with those Chapters who might be considered "too unstable" in peacetime, though.

My thoughts on the subject, anyways.

BrainDeleted wrote:No, the Imperial Truth would have significantly weakened Chaos. That's kinda one of the reasons Chaos decided to put all its chips on Horus because the Big E was killing them slowly.

Um, no? The very wars the Emperor waged, the tactics he used, the celebrations afterwards, they all empowered the gods.

Durza wrote:

BrainDeleted wrote:No, the Imperial Truth would have significantly weakened Chaos. That's kinda one of the reasons Chaos decided to put all its chips on Horus because the Big E was killing them slowly.

Um, no? The very wars the Emperor waged, the tactics he used, the celebrations afterwards, they all empowered the gods.

Everything a person does powers Chaos. Even the Tau do so when they wage war cause blood is spilled.

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Um, no? The very wars the Emperor waged, the tactics he used, the celebrations afterwards, they all empowered the gods.

Everything a person does powers Chaos. Even the Tau do so when they wage war cause blood is spilled.

And also may work for Chaos, considering the result of their grand plan...

Durza wrote:Um, no? The very wars the Emperor waged, the tactics he used, the celebrations afterwards, they all empowered the gods.

Um, they why is he called The Anathema by the Chaos Gods? Ya know, if he was helping them out and all....

The Necrons fully wake up and eat, everything.

Brother Coa wrote:

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Um, no? The very wars the Emperor waged, the tactics he used, the celebrations afterwards, they all empowered the gods.

Everything a person does powers Chaos. Even the Tau do so when they wage war cause blood is spilled.

God , this is a 40k hobby forum and yet from what I can tell. Almost no one has their fluff facts straight.

Here is a quick lesson that I will expand on later(I 'm late for class):

The gods of Chaos are powered by emotions and concepts not faith. Humanity was fully believing in science during the DAoT, this didn't kill the gods of Chaos. Currently, humanity is the gods main food source cause humanity is other than the Orks is the largest population in the 40k galaxy who are also psychic.

BrainDeleted wrote:

Durza wrote:Um, no? The very wars the Emperor waged, the tactics he used, the celebrations afterwards, they all empowered the gods.

Um, they why is he called The Anathema by the Chaos Gods? Ya know, if he was helping them out and all....

Because he, like the Grey Knights, didn't taste nice. His armies, on the other hand...

The whole point of this threat is that the Great Crusade would have been completed. Your argument is invalid. War may feed Khorne pretty nicely but the eventual goal was peace. Peace ≠ Good for Chaos. They stopped the Great Crusade for a reason.....

Glorified gardeners, weeding out fungoid infections across the Milky Way from M31 to M42.

It's an interesting question. It would be reasonable to presume the Emperor had something in mind for the Astartes, though, had the heresy not interrupted his plans, humanity's technological development would presumably not have stagnated, and crusade-era marines might well have been expected to become obsolete over the coming centuries.

God , this is a 40k hobby forum and yet from what I can tell. Almost no one has their fluff facts straight.

Because it's all canon, and none of it is. There is no "correct" fluff fact when it comes to Chaos, and no definite proof that general violence, or generalized pleasure, or just having the common cold, or thinking maybe you'll change coats before you go out tonight is in some way feeding the Ruinous Powers.

Lots of people like to think this but... it doesn't hold up. There was change before there was Tzeentch, violence before there was Khorne, pleasure and depravity before there was Slaanesh (who is not a Human god, in any event), and disease before there was Nurgle.

Am I to believe that only Humans can understand fatalism when faced with an inescapable fate? In all the galaxy, the only one to glorify and engage in wanton violence is the race of Man? That humans are somehow more precious than Eldar to Slaanesh, who was created by the Eldar? That the hubris of humanity is the greatest source of power to Tzeentch?

Please. It doesn't even make internal sense to the universe.