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Ok here is the scenario:

You are having a nice day, minding your own business, when you suddenly see massive space ships appearing through the clouds, engines roaring. Smaller ships begin to appear from their hangars. You immediately open the TV, and see Ecclesiarchal Missionaries disembark from the vessels. They introduce themselves to authorities and proclaim that Earth was once a part of the Imperium of Man and that it was lost during the Age of Strife. The demand it to return to the Emperor's light, and give absolute control to the High Lords of Terra. The authorities refuse, of course, and the Missionaries are taken aback. They then proceed to proclaim, that should Earth defy their command, they would purge the planet. Inside the confines of the Vendettas, you see the glowing red eyes of Space Marines.

How will this end? What should be done? What would you do in a situation like this?

run

We're beaten into submission within a week, and surrender.

We'll all die.

iproxtaco wrote:We're beaten into submission within a week, and surrender.

A week? I'd give it no more than a day, myself.

We're going to have next to nothing that can actually punch through Space Marine armor, and assuming this is the time of the Great Crusade (which was when the Imperium started reclaiming lost worlds), we'd likely have an entire legion of ten thousand Marines at our doorstep. In short, we're screwed.

Well first I would wonder why Space Marines are riding in Vendettas. Then, I would use my knowledge of 40K fluff to convince the Imperials that I was cool and that they should spare me.

lledwey wrote:Well first I would wonder why Space Marines are riding in Vendettas. Then, I would use my knowledge of 40K fluff to convince the Imperials that I was cool and that they should spare me.

They were escorting the Missionaries. Nice plan

I made a piece of fanfluff similar to this once. About the Imperium discovering a liberal-democratic human world and making first contact. The world was overjoyed that it had made contact with a seemingly non-hostile human civilization (as they had fought Orks for quite some time) and were preparing to roll out the red carpet for the Imperial delegation.

It ended with the Imperial Administratum/Ecclesiarchy delegation meeting with the worlds equivalent of the UN. Eventually when the world refused to abandon all their "heretical" practices (such as civil rights), force global worship the Emperor, and hand over conscripts/mutants a more fanatical Ecclesiarchy Priest killed the worlds Prime Minister, and the SoB gunned down the rest of the assembly. The Administratum adept was annoyed that the world now had to be incorporated through force rather then assimilation as this meant more paperwork, and the war began.

And that's how I imagine it'd go. We'd attempt to make peaceful contact and would be optimistic upon first meeting them. However when we saw what the Imperium really was and what it does to their subjects, we'd resist assimilation and only vouch for diplomatic relations. The Imperium would find that unacceptable and pound us into submission. Astartes would decapitate all our global leadership and then we'd be swept away by the Guard. Nukes come then, but a nuke isn't gonna do much against a Imperial Navy Cruiser.

Ah, sorry, I didn't know I was reposting. Anyways, well thought story.

All 40k players would rounded up and executed for their heretical knowledge.

Or employed as Inquisitors or to serve the Grey Knights.

The Imperium would never even give Earth a chance to submit or surrender. We are too divided and religious (and not of their religion).

After a few hours of beating us into shape (that's pretty much all it would take), they'd start converting us into a slave force to exploit this world's resources for them.

No, drop dead and save the IoM the trouble and munitions

We would be completely taken within a week.

some resistance might hold out in the deserts of Africa and the Middle East for a few years, but they wouldn't stand a chance.

Earth governements would probably remain fairly automonous, the IoM will as far as possable try and keep any organization that exists in place, as long as the Tithes were paid. we could go about our business as we wished.

We would be given a choice, join or die.

If we didn't we would either be destroyed outright or enslaved. Either way I really don't see the point in resisting.

I'm waiting for the guy with the U.S. Military fetish to drop in this and claim the US OF A! could defeat the Imperium.

I'd love to see our reaction to a titan :3 Or well, any super heavy weapons platform actually.

No one with a realistic view of things would ever claim the US could beat the IoM.


we could hold them off for a while. Nuclear Missiles could try and take out ships in orbit and the army could certaintly face the IG, but we would be way outnumbered and outclassed. This of course only applies if the IoM sees value in the US population/resources and thinks its worth the effort to take by force. otherwise its Orbital Bombardment time.

Tarkand wrote:I'm waiting for the guy with the U.S. Military fetish to drop in this and claim the US OF A! could defeat the Imperium.

We could but we'd have to sacrifice the Canadaians to do it.

On Titan and Super Heavy...

They'd be impressive, but I'm not sure how effective they would be.

The Germans attempted to build Super heavy tanks in real life after all, and those ended up being a failure because they made easy target for bombing run from enemy planes and the Germans simply couldn't make armor solid enough to survive the bombardment. So it really depends on how tough AV14 is compared to our modern warheads/weaponry - if nothing we throw at them can damage them, than yeah, Super Heavy will be scary as hell... if a bomb can blow them up, they are just bigger targets.

Now to mention that war on Earth would be all about city conflicts... Titan are kinda meh in those settings.

Space Marines would be extremely scary thought. They'd be practically impervious to anti-personal weaponry (and even many anti-vehicle weaponry) and are much faster and stronger than your average soldier (or hell, your elite soldier) with much better gear. They would excel in urban warfare and 'drop pod assault' allow them to strike directly at the heart of an enemy.

To be honest thought, all the Imperium has to do is take over the Oil fields of the planet (send in the Astartes and have a couple Cruiser in orbit over it for space support) and none of the world standing army will be able to operate for very long on their country's fuel stock alone.

German super heavy tanks didn't work because they coouldn't fit an engine in there without having to sacrifice most of the armor due to weight issues. They didn't have anything light and strong enough to make an actualy body without it having to crawl at less then 1mph.

Catyrpelius wrote:

Tarkand wrote:I'm waiting for the guy with the U.S. Military fetish to drop in this and claim the US OF A! could defeat the Imperium.

We could but we'd have to sacrifice the Canadaians to do it.

Last time a 'Earth vs Tyranids' thread like this popped up, it wen't over 20 replies because some people were claiming the US Military and Civilian Militia would be able to hold off the nids long enough for a 'Jeff Goldbloom' special to happen (i.e. Some scientist figure out some way to wipe out the bad guys like in ID4).


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Soladrin wrote:German super heavy tanks didn't work because they coouldn't fit an engine in there without having to sacrifice most of the armor due to weight issues. They didn't have anything light and strong enough to make an actualy body without it having to crawl at less then 1mph.

That doesn't change the point tho - It all depends on weither or not our air attack can break them or not. If they can, than they are just easier target. If they cannot, than yeah, SH are scary.

As I added in an edit too (you may have missed it), SH in general aren't all that useful in city fight situation, which is what a campaign against earth would entails. There is no doubt in my mind that the Imperium would win and easily... but there's also no doubt in my mind we won't go and meet them in an open field either

the German Mauss tank never saw actual combat nor was an actual vehicle produced so it really isn't known how it would have performed. IIRC they were planning on having it have four 88 flak guns mounted on it for anti-air protection/additional firepower(or was that another tank?)


Baneblades are slower then normal vehicles, but they arn't exactly snails.

Titans are fairly mobile too, in an urban enviroment they would be a nightmare to face. Warhounds could even do well outside of Urban areas.

Grey Templar wrote:the German Mauss tank never saw actual combat nor was an actual vehicle produced so it really isn't known how it would have performed. IIRC they were planning on having it have four 88 flak guns mounted on it for anti-air protection/additional firepower(or was that another tank?)


Baneblades are slower then normal vehicles, but they arn't exactly snails.

Titans are fairly mobile too, in an urban enviroment they would be a nightmare to face. Warhounds could even do well outside of Urban areas.

Not to be an ass, but actually it was the planned Landkreuzer P.1000 Ratte, which would have actually had eight 88 flak cannons. And then there was the P.1500 Monster... Which is just silly.

I surrender, unconditionally.

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:the German Mauss tank never saw actual combat nor was an actual vehicle produced so it really isn't known how it would have performed. IIRC they were planning on having it have four 88 flak guns mounted on it for anti-air protection/additional firepower(or was that another tank?)


Baneblades are slower then normal vehicles, but they arn't exactly snails.

Titans are fairly mobile too, in an urban enviroment they would be a nightmare to face. Warhounds could even do well outside of Urban areas.

Not to be an ass, but actually it was the planned Landkreuzer P.1000 Ratte, which would have actually had eight 88 flak cannons. And then there was the P.1500 Monster... Which is just silly.

Ahhh yes, the Landkreuser. I thought I had it wrong.

The only shot earth would have at delaying/annoying the imperium is in the worlds collective air force, 40k universe has crap for air support, and most of the nations with a decent military all believe that air superiority=win.

Skal098 wrote:The only shot earth would have at delaying/annoying the imperium is in the worlds collective air force, 40k universe has crap for air support, and most of the nations with a decent military all believe that air superiority=win.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
Good luck dealing with an air-force that doesn't require any airstrips and that can strike anywhere on the planet regardless of distance.

And has planes with the amount of armor you only find on tanks.

We'd never stand a chance. Their Astropaths would pick up our broadcasts of Jersey Shore, Lady Gaga and asian variety shows... this would be all the evidence they need to declare the world corrupted by Slaanesh and virus bomb us from orbit.

Exterminatus - It's the only way to be sure.