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These are machines designed to fire and withstand weaponry greater than Deathstrike Missiles, which are stronger than any weapon we have ever invented.

So they're safe from nukes but vulnerable to vanquishers? Or are you referring strictly to the void shields.

Yes, DAoT doesn't start until the 18th Millennium according to the 5th edition rulebook. We got quite a ways to go...

Got less than 90 years before we discover the warp and colonize mars though, that's gotta be fun.

I always think it's kind of funny when this thread occasionally pops up, I'm amazed by how many people argue for the chances of Earth when the entire backstory of 40k proves otherwise.

Think about the Great Crusade. The expanding Imperium encountered literally thousands of worlds, carving out human space and the future human empire. As they did so, numerous human worlds lost since 'old night' were picked up along the way. Even aside from those we have read about in the Horus Heresy series (many of which had things such as invisible soldiers or giant fighting robots), many of them had technology far in excess of our own, and yet every one of them that stood in the way was either brought into compliance without bloodshed or else crushed under heel if it resisted.

There is a story of the old 'Macharian Crusade' of a world where the hyper-technology of defenders kept the Imperium at bay for years. In the end, the commanders just diverted a passing comet towards the planet and destroyed the entire civilization. Assuming we could somehow hold off the ground forces and orbital attacks, what would be our answer to that? Put Bruce Willis on a shuttle and send him up there to sort it out?

We wouldn't stand the slightest chance - the Imperium has been written as our future selves, with all of semblance of compassion and morality removed from them - the whole 'grimdark' scenario is the most brutal and pessimistic future for humanity imaginable, where we have utterly failed to elevate ourselves from our animalistic tendencies and are gradually self destructing. I'm sorry to say, but we would be a footnote on volume 21,432 of completed military campaigns, locked away in some dusty Administratum library and never heard from again.

I always think it's kind of funny when this thread occasionally pops up, I'm amazed by how many people argue for the chances of Earth when the entire backstory of 40k proves otherwise.

Chances? no, technology against technology, in most ground areas yes. Tactics, definitely, but only because the writers don't know a flanking manuver from a fighting retreat. But chances? Giant ships and being outnumbered 1,000,000:1 mean any edge we have in technology is largely meaningless. Even the Tech edge we have in some areas is only because the writers don't know what the hell they're talking about. Mostly though it's because of the hapharzard way the imperium regained technology, I mean they have giant space ships firing railguns the size of battleships, .... all moved into place with pulleys and wenches by countless men.

There is a story of the old 'Macharian Crusade' of a world where the hyper-technology of defenders kept the Imperium at bay for years.

Adrantis V IIRC

Pacific wrote:I always think it's kind of funny when this thread occasionally pops up, I'm amazed by how many people argue for the chances of Earth when the entire backstory of 40k proves otherwise.

Think about the Great Crusade. The expanding Imperium encountered literally thousands of worlds, carving out human space and the future human empire. As they did so, numerous human worlds lost since 'old night' were picked up along the way. Even aside from those we have read about in the Horus Heresy series (many of which had things such as invisible soldiers or giant fighting robots), many of them had technology far in excess of our own, and yet every one of them that stood in the way was either brought into compliance without bloodshed or else crushed under heel if it resisted.

There is a story of the old 'Macharian Crusade' of a world where the hyper-technology of defenders kept the Imperium at bay for years. In the end, the commanders just diverted a passing comet towards the planet and destroyed the entire civilization. Assuming we could somehow hold off the ground forces and orbital attacks, what would be our answer to that? Put Bruce Willis on a shuttle and send him up there to sort it out?

We wouldn't stand the slightest chance - the Imperium has been written as our future selves, with all of semblance of compassion and morality removed from them - the whole 'grimdark' scenario is the most brutal and pessimistic future for humanity imaginable, where we have utterly failed to elevate ourselves from our animalistic tendencies and are gradually self destructing. I'm sorry to say, but we would be a footnote on volume 21,432 of completed military campaigns, locked away in some dusty Administratum library and never heard from again.

I think that pretty much sums it up. Think about the planet in Horus Rising, they were capable of interstellar travel, and were crushed within a few weeks of fighting.

I spy a battle report...

Maybe use epic rules to speed things along a bit?

Exterminatus.

peebzguy wrote:Exterminatus.

The IoM would never exterminatus Earth. Firstly, it houses billions of humans ready for conversion. Secondly, it's the perfect environment for human life to flourish. Thirdly, it takes a lot of resources to perform exterminatus.

TrollPie wrote:

peebzguy wrote:Exterminatus.

The IoM would never exterminatus Earth. Firstly, it houses billions of humans ready for conversion. Secondly, it's the perfect environment for human life to flourish. Thirdly, it takes a lot of resources to perform exterminatus.

..... and the fact that it's Terra won't dissuade them?

If the Imperium is coming to wage war on us, then we must be another False Terra. It sucks, but thems the breaks.

gendoikari87 wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

peebzguy wrote:Exterminatus.

The IoM would never exterminatus Earth. Firstly, it houses billions of humans ready for conversion. Secondly, it's the perfect environment for human life to flourish. Thirdly, it takes a lot of resources to perform exterminatus.

..... and the fact that it's Terra won't dissuade them?

Nope. We'd be another False Terra, and they've already mercilessly crushed one of them, which had a much higher technology level than us. So really, we lose, period.

I dunno if anyone has put this but seeing as though about 40k why cant tell them the future and when they ask how we know show them the rule book and codexes :-) and scare them away saying we have as much knowledge as your emperor

darkhorse19 wrote:I dunno if anyone has put this but seeing as though about 40k why cant tell them the future and when they ask how we know show them the rule book and codexes :-) and scare them away saying we have as much knowledge as your emperor

I'm thinking it would probably cause all those who play 40k or have been involved with its creation to be burned as heretics, along with all those that refused to give up their religion and worship the Emperor.

If we played our cards right, we could use it to our advantage.

You know those guys in your flgs that dont wash? Now they're plague bearers. "Looks Mr Spess Mahreen, disgusting bearers of filth! Help us!" Bye bye body odour.

You know that guy that rages as soon as he loses his first unit in a tournament or whatever? Now he's a blood thirster. "Look Mr Spess Mahreen! Daemon! Help us!" Bye bye angry man.

You know that guy that tries to inconspicuously change his dice rolls so he comes off better? Now he's a tzeentchian horror. "Look Mr Spess Mahreen! Evil nasty cheating changy thing!" So long ya cheating scum bag!

You know those girls that follow slaanesh, that are a little... looser when it comes to inhibitions. yeah? Well, don't say anything about them, they can stay

Joking aside, I think that the majority of "major power country" political leaders would eventually decide that it may not be such a bad thing after all, as when they do something wrong, they have a whole universe of new fethed up things to blame it on!

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Ok here is the scenario:

You are having a nice day, minding your own business, when you suddenly see massive space ships appearing through the clouds, engines roaring. Smaller ships begin to appear from their hangars. You immediately open the TV, and see Ecclesiarchal Missionaries disembark from the vessels. They introduce themselves to authorities and proclaim that Earth was once a part of the Imperium of Man and that it was lost during the Age of Strife. The demand it to return to the Emperor's light, and give absolute control to the High Lords of Terra. The authorities refuse, of course, and the Missionaries are taken aback. They then proceed to proclaim, that should Earth defy their command, they would purge the planet. Inside the confines of the Vendettas, you see the glowing red eyes of Space Marines.

How will this end? What should be done? What would you do in a situation like this?

I would go toward them and swear the loyalty of all citizens of Earth to the Emperor of Mankind.
Then I would aks them if I could join Imperial Guard. That would be the best day of my life

One other point to consider is that we actually have a team of autobots on the planet too. There's been like, what, 3 films proving their existence now, I think we should write them in to our defence quota now, just in case.

Meh, at best optimus prime is a knight titan.

And not to forget all of those super heroes.

I propose a new poll: who would win... Marneus Calgar vs Stephen Hawking? Though I suppose that it is semi on topic for this thread, so maybe not

Soladrin wrote:And not to forget all of those super heroes.

Ah, now things are getting interesting! Imperium of Man vs. DC Universe.

iproxtaco wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

peebzguy wrote:Exterminatus.

The IoM would never exterminatus Earth. Firstly, it houses billions of humans ready for conversion. Secondly, it's the perfect environment for human life to flourish. Thirdly, it takes a lot of resources to perform exterminatus.

..... and the fact that it's Terra won't dissuade them?

Nope. We'd be another False Terra, and they've already mercilessly crushed one of them, which had a much higher technology level than us. So really, we lose, period.

How do you know we'd be False Terra?

Belexar wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

TrollPie wrote:

peebzguy wrote:Exterminatus.

The IoM would never exterminatus Earth. Firstly, it houses billions of humans ready for conversion. Secondly, it's the perfect environment for human life to flourish. Thirdly, it takes a lot of resources to perform exterminatus.

..... and the fact that it's Terra won't dissuade them?

Nope. We'd be another False Terra, and they've already mercilessly crushed one of them, which had a much higher technology level than us. So really, we lose, period.

How do you know we'd be False Terra?

We wouldn't exactly be able to prove otherwise to an empire that has followed what it believes is Earth for over 10,000 years.

Wouldn't they be able to see that it's earth on their navigation systems? I mean ships slipping sideways in time in the warp isn't unheard of. You'd think they'd have contingency plans for that gak.

I propose a new poll: who would win... Marneus Calgar vs Stephen Hawking? Though I suppose that it is semi on topic for this thread, so maybe not

hawking, he'd point out one too many flaws with the science of building a space marine and calgar would simply cease to exist.

They already know where Earth is. That's the point, everything about the Imperium originated from Terra, it is Earth to them.

gendoikari87 wrote:Wouldn't they be able to see that it's earth on their navigation systems? I mean ships slipping sideways in time in the warp isn't unheard of. You'd think they'd have contingency plans for that gak.

I propose a new poll: who would win... Marneus Calgar vs Stephen Hawking? Though I suppose that it is semi on topic for this thread, so maybe not

hawking, he'd point out one too many flaws with the science of building a space marine and calgar would simply cease to exist.

Hawking gets pwn't by Einstein though.

Well that's cos Albert E = MC^2.

Omegus wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:Wouldn't they be able to see that it's earth on their navigation systems? I mean ships slipping sideways in time in the warp isn't unheard of. You'd think they'd have contingency plans for that gak.

I propose a new poll: who would win... Marneus Calgar vs Stephen Hawking? Though I suppose that it is semi on topic for this thread, so maybe not

hawking, he'd point out one too many flaws with the science of building a space marine and calgar would simply cease to exist.

Hawking gets pwn't by Einstein though.

yes but the holy schrodinger pwns all. Think putting baby in a corner means something, try putting baby in a box!!

Omegus wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:Wouldn't they be able to see that it's earth on their navigation systems? I mean ships slipping sideways in time in the warp isn't unheard of. You'd think they'd have contingency plans for that gak.

I propose a new poll: who would win... Marneus Calgar vs Stephen Hawking? Though I suppose that it is semi on topic for this thread, so maybe not

hawking, he'd point out one too many flaws with the science of building a space marine and calgar would simply cease to exist.

Hawking gets pwn't by Einstein though.

But "There are 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 particles in the universe that we can observe, yo mama took the ugly ones and put them into 1 nerd".

It's my planet and if they want it they will have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

keezus wrote:We'd never stand a chance. Their Astropaths would pick up our broadcasts of Jersey Shore, Lady Gaga and asian variety shows... this would be all the evidence they need to declare the world corrupted by Slaanesh and virus bomb us from orbit.

Exterminatus - It's the only way to be sure.

(Insert joke about Obama being a champion of Tzeentch)

But seriously, even if we had the guns to punch through IoM armour, what would we have against pyskers?

Wouldn't they be able to see that it's earth on their navigation systems? I mean ships slipping sideways in time in the warp isn't unheard of. You'd think they'd have contingency plans for that gak.

They do, it's called "summary execution". There used to be an entire Ordo of the Inquisition (the Ordo Chrono) dedicated to investigating these sorts of time-slips, but they all entirely vanished one day.