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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 17:05:08
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Soladrin wrote:And has planes with the amount of armor you only find on tanks.
And that travel as fast, or faster, than our planes, with better weapons. Automatically Appended Next Post: keezus wrote:We'd never stand a chance. Their Astropaths would pick up our broadcasts of Jersey Shore, Lady Gaga and asian variety shows... this would be all the evidence they need to declare the world corrupted by Slaanesh and virus bomb us from orbit.
Exterminatus - It's the only way to be sure.
But they would capture and cage some members of Jersey Shore, so the disease can be harnessed and used on other planets.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 17:08:38
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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OR! we enslave THEM with reality tv.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 17:18:03
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Skal098 wrote:The only shot earth would have at delaying/annoying the imperium is in the worlds collective air force, 40k universe has crap for air support, and most of the nations with a decent military all believe that air superiority=win.
Even if Earth has Air Superiority (Debatable), the Imperium has Space Superiority... which is infinitely better. They can nuke all military airport from orbit.
It's pretty easy really...
1 - Take out all satellite around the planet. Either by destroying them or taking them over. This means no more GPS, no more intercontinental communication. This a huge blow to Earth Military forces as well as general communication and there really isn't much we can do about it. We are not equipped to defend our satellite from space ships. Make sure Imperial propaganda and misinformation is being sent out through the satellite that remain in activity.
2 - Locate seat of leadership and command. Send in Astartes Troop in drop pod/thunder hawk and have most Military/Political Leader dead or running for their lives within a few hours. Compounded with impeded communication because of step 1, this will cause panic and chaos.
3 - Locate and take over oil field and other reserves of energy (Oil, Electricty, etc). Send in massive ground troop ( IG) supported with Space/Air Support. Cut off the flow of oil/electricity to all nations. As mentioned before, no standing army on earth can operate very long without refuel (Days at most) - combined with step 1, this make Earth's air force useless within days. If Earth manages to protect it's reserve (Unlikely, for the most part conventional warfare avoid hitting those targets because they are too valuable for both sides - in short, we are not ready for a full scale invasion there), the Imperium can always just have a couple Cruiser user their Lance on those, utterly destroying the reserve. This make the planet less useful overall however.
4 - With no communication, no leadership and no power (via oil or electricity), isolate pockets of resistance (easy enough to find, those will be military compound who still have electricity because of powerful generator) and exterminate them (Use overwhelming force, Astartes or 1:1000 assault IG forces). This an attrition war that Earth cannot hope to win, as at that point we'll already be crippled in several fashions and facing much more numerous, motivated and better equipped opponent.
5 - Once military resistance has been broken, turn back power and start converting to Imperial Creed. Elect a Planetary Governor and leaves him plenty of Imperial Guard forces. Start reshaping the planet into a productive Imperial planet.
Civilian casualties will be extremely low.
True, Titan and other Super Heavy are powerful and Earth couldn't do much against them... but the fact is, they won't need those (I guess they could drop a Titan or 2 during phase 3 has a show of force) - in 40k term, Earth is a pretty backwater world with very primitive people and technology. You don't need a sledge hammer to crush an ant.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 17:18:37
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Skal098 wrote:The only shot earth would have at delaying/annoying the imperium is in the worlds collective air force, 40k universe has crap for air support, and most of the nations with a decent military all believe that air superiority=win.
Dude...Valkyries.
IoM wins.
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What I have
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Westwood lives in death!
Peace through power!
A longbeard when it comes to Necrons and WHFB. Grumble Grumble
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 17:38:59
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Ok here is the scenario:
You are having a nice day, minding your own business, when you suddenly see massive space ships appearing through the clouds, engines roaring. Smaller ships begin to appear from their hangars. You immediately open the TV, and see Ecclesiarchal Missionaries disembark from the vessels. They introduce themselves to authorities and proclaim that Earth was once a part of the Imperium of Man and that it was lost during the Age of Strife. The demand it to return to the Emperor's light, and give absolute control to the High Lords of Terra. The authorities refuse, of course, and the Missionaries are taken aback. They then proceed to proclaim, that should Earth defy their command, they would purge the planet. Inside the confines of the Vendettas, you see the glowing red eyes of Space Marines.
How will this end? What should be done? What would you do in a situation like this?
Excluding exterminatus and giant orbial cannons, we'd kick their ass. However they have thos cannons, so we loose. But the guard and space marines are no match for a real military. And I'm sorry to inform you but the space marines would be the first to get wiped out.
Space Marine: Oh look we just droppoded right into enemy lines
US Marine: Command, Tomahawk on this location.
Space Marine: What's a toma... *KABOOM* *dead*
The guard who use actual tactics might survive, but the abrams will utterly tear the leman russ apart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 18:00:06
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Ah, I knew he'd show up
I highly doubt the US Military would use tomahawk missile on its own position to begin with and tomahawk aren't much use without gps... which would be knocked out long before the Astartes would be deployed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 18:08:30
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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Join the mass demonstration to try to make the world's leaders embrace the imperial truth. Try to make a name for myself as a fanatical zealot for when the new bureaucracy is formed.
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Ever thought 40k would be a lot better with bears?
Codex: Bears.
NOW WITH MR BIGGLES AND HIS AMAZING FLYING CONTRAPTION |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 18:10:47
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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The Imperium of Man in a few hours.
To be honest, we haven't created a single weapon that could defeat a Titan, our best nuclear arms would be laughable next to it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 18:22:54
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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We'd use atomics & the planet would be glassed, by its own inhabitants.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Friend of mine just sent me this:
"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. ." Too be fair.. it's all worked out quite well!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 18:29:00
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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we would give them a cold and they would be defeated!!! mua ha ha ha but seriously all those hippeis crying for nuke disarming would be the first to say SHOOT THOSE #$%#$^#$%
IoM might bow before us as their creators... boy wouldnt that be kewl huh? then we would find the genetic origin of the Emperor (me btw) and they would make an army of them
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3k+ IG
Chimeras > rhinos (course then again piling a regular squad out of a chimera usually creates a scene similar to Omaha beach during D-Day) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 18:48:01
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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gendoikari87 wrote:Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Ok here is the scenario:
You are having a nice day, minding your own business, when you suddenly see massive space ships appearing through the clouds, engines roaring. Smaller ships begin to appear from their hangars. You immediately open the TV, and see Ecclesiarchal Missionaries disembark from the vessels. They introduce themselves to authorities and proclaim that Earth was once a part of the Imperium of Man and that it was lost during the Age of Strife. The demand it to return to the Emperor's light, and give absolute control to the High Lords of Terra. The authorities refuse, of course, and the Missionaries are taken aback. They then proceed to proclaim, that should Earth defy their command, they would purge the planet. Inside the confines of the Vendettas, you see the glowing red eyes of Space Marines.
How will this end? What should be done? What would you do in a situation like this?
Excluding exterminatus and giant orbial cannons, we'd kick their ass. However they have thos cannons, so we loose. But the guard and space marines are no match for a real military. And I'm sorry to inform you but the space marines would be the first to get wiped out.
Space Marine: Oh look we just droppoded right into enemy lines
US Marine: Command, Tomahawk on this location.
Space Marine: What's a toma... *KABOOM* *dead*
The guard who use actual tactics might survive, but the abrams will utterly tear the leman russ apart.
You's trollin'! Seriously. Get out please.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 18:54:09
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Ruthless Interrogator
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gendoikari87 wrote:
Space Marine: Oh look we just droppoded right into enemy lines
US Marine: Command, Tomahawk on this location.
"Direct hit! Wait... no, he scratched the paintwork but it's an Ultramarine and he's just glad to have less of that horrible colour scheme."
The guard who use actual tactics might survive, but the abrams will utterly tear the leman russ apart.
Flak armour is far superior to kevlar vests. It's more shock absorbant, lighter and covers more of the body.
Lasguns have accuracy that puts our best sniper rifles to shame and rounds that burn straight through bulletproof vests like paper. And there are millions of guys with both of these, not to mention all their Melta and Plasma weaponry. Even heavy bolters would be effective weapons against our battletanks. Plus, when people see the opponent has FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS! on every trooper they're going to be terrified. Especially since they don't have the fearlessness of the Guard who face 8-foot tall Greenskins and aliens the size of tower blocks on a daily basis.
A Leman Russ is armoured like nothing we've ever seen. Ceramite and Adamantium are obviously several times stronger than steel and a Russ is covered thickly in it. Their guns are obviously significantly more powerful than 120mms, plus they have space-age targetting systems and a huge engine that rarely breaks down and will run on anything.
Their air support... well, imagine looking up at the sky during a battle. You see a few Apaches and Chinooks flying around. Suddenly, a bazillion laser shots fly out of space and obliterate them. Then, Thunderbolts and Lightnings pour in to view in the dozens, obliterating you. Some F-22s fly in and shoot them, then find that their missiles, designed to destroy unarmoured craft by exploding near them, are useless against something armoured like a tank.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:13:24
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Manhunter
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Our tanks are crap compared to the IOM tanks. I'd say we'd have AV11 or 12 at best. On our MBTS, ie Abrams. Our troops are maybe better trained, but IG are more experienced. Our armor cannot withstand an assualt rifle hit, which is equal to an autogun which is equal to a lasgun. Las will punch right through. Their flak armor can stop a freaking .50cal round. (heavy stubber is equivalent to a .50cal). An autocannon is about the equal to a 20th century tank gun. Cant punch through leman russ front armor. They have us beat in number, and equipment. Also most likely experience.
However, I'd think we'd integrate peacefully. The only thing is we'd have to mandate a state religion. And pay tithes. Small price to pay to prevent whole sell slaughter on our world.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:13:51
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Exterminatus! Earthlings are unworthily of living!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:15:15
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Manhunter
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Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Grey Templar wrote:the German Mauss tank never saw actual combat nor was an actual vehicle produced so it really isn't known how it would have performed. IIRC they were planning on having it have four 88 flak guns mounted on it for anti-air protection/additional firepower(or was that another tank?)
Baneblades are slower then normal vehicles, but they arn't exactly snails.
Titans are fairly mobile too, in an urban enviroment they would be a nightmare to face. Warhounds could even do well outside of Urban areas.
Not to be an ass, but actually it was the planned Landkreuzer P.1000 Ratte, which would have actually had eight 88 flak cannons. And then there was the P.1500 Monster... Which is just silly.
Oh yeah! The Monster.
Weren't they thinking of putting that Carl Gustav railroad artillery gun on it?
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Lokas wrote:...Enemy of my enemy is kind of a dick, so let's kill him too.
"Without judgement there is no obstacle to action." ~ Kommander Oleg Strakhov
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:16:37
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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I'd probably surrender and hope they'd leave me alone and let me snuggle friendly people as normal.
And I'd hope my neighbours to the south don't try to start anything. I don't want to be that close to the fallout when it goes nuclear.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:23:19
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Manhunter
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And if there are Space Marines, then there are Land Raiders. I would like to see our Abrams try to take that thing out.
And what about the LR Vanquisher? In the fluff, that thing is an amazing tank hunter.
The only advantage that we have against their armor is their high profile. But that only works for seeing where the tanks are, not really helping to destroy them.
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Lokas wrote:...Enemy of my enemy is kind of a dick, so let's kill him too.
"Without judgement there is no obstacle to action." ~ Kommander Oleg Strakhov
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:25:14
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Skal098 wrote:The only shot earth would have at delaying/annoying the imperium is in the worlds collective air force, 40k universe has crap for air support, and most of the nations with a decent military all believe that air superiority=win.
The Imperium has an awsome air force. Marauder Bombers, Thunderbolts, Valkieries, Vendettas...
We could indeed annoy them, but it would be a losing battle.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:30:36
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Long-Range Black Templar Land Speeder Pilot
Right behind you...
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gendoikari87 wrote:Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Ok here is the scenario:
You are having a nice day, minding your own business, when you suddenly see massive space ships appearing through the clouds, engines roaring. Smaller ships begin to appear from their hangars. You immediately open the TV, and see Ecclesiarchal Missionaries disembark from the vessels. They introduce themselves to authorities and proclaim that Earth was once a part of the Imperium of Man and that it was lost during the Age of Strife. The demand it to return to the Emperor's light, and give absolute control to the High Lords of Terra. The authorities refuse, of course, and the Missionaries are taken aback. They then proceed to proclaim, that should Earth defy their command, they would purge the planet. Inside the confines of the Vendettas, you see the glowing red eyes of Space Marines.
How will this end? What should be done? What would you do in a situation like this?
Excluding exterminatus and giant orbial cannons, we'd kick their ass. However they have thos cannons, so we loose. But the guard and space marines are no match for a real military. And I'm sorry to inform you but the space marines would be the first to get wiped out.
Space Marine: Oh look we just droppoded right into enemy lines
US Marine: Command, Tomahawk on this location.
Space Marine: What's a toma... *KABOOM* *dead*
The guard who use actual tactics might survive, but the abrams will utterly tear the leman russ apart.
I salute you, good troll.
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There is only the Emperor, and he is our shield and protector.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:33:08
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Mutating Changebringer
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American soldier looks at the aproching mass of Imperial forces. He sees the Titans. The ships in low orbit. The swarm of ships circling the skys.
Hundreds of thousands of tanks are mobilizing. Billions of troops are marching. Dozens of Space Marines have leveled Europe. What does this American think?
"They don't pay me enough for this. I'm going home."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:52:57
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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A Leman Russ is armoured like nothing we've ever seen. Ceramite and Adamantium are obviously several times stronger than steel and a Russ is covered thickly in it. Their guns are obviously significantly more powerful than 120mms, plus they have space-age targetting systems and a huge engine that rarely breaks down and will run on anything.
Leman russ is also slow, unsophisticated and tall. The abrams main gun might not be a giant freaking cannon but it's also not a simple explosive shell. The abrams and leman russ could reliably blast each other apart, abrams being faster, and arguably more accurate. Edge Abrams.
And if there are Space Marines, then there are Land Raiders. I would like to see our Abrams try to take that thing out.
it's called high explosive anti tank rounds, and one of the imperial armour books gave the steel armor equivalent of the land radier, it was less than half that of the penetration of modern HEAT rounds. As a matter of fact even the APFSDS can penetrate a land raider.
And what about the LR Vanquisher? In the fluff, that thing is an amazing tank hunter.
Even worse of a match up than the regular leman russ, both can easily penetrate the other, but the abrams is faster more agile and has a lower profile.
The only advantage that we have against their armor is their high profile. But that only works for seeing where the tanks are, not really helping to destroy them
Untrue, if you are actually a good tactician you can make this count, a lot, as evidenced by a lot of cases in WWII.
Our armor cannot withstand an assualt rifle hit, which is equal to an autogun which is equal to a lasgun. Las will punch right through.
Also untrue the current intercepter armor has a ceramic plate that will stop an assualt rifle, which being ceramic will also stop that lasgun.
Their flak armor can stop a freaking .50cal round. (heavy stubber is equivalent to a .50cal).
actually it's patterend off the M1919 .30 which is about as powerful as an FN FAL or any of the other 7.62x51NATO assault rifles.
An autocannon is about the equal to a 20th century tank gun.
If by tank you mean it's a transplanted 25mm, then yes, otherwise no. the rounds aren't even that much changed.
"Direct hit! Wait... no, he scratched the paintwork but it's an Ultramarine and he's just glad to have less of that horrible colour scheme."
Pure Fanboyism, Even if the marines armor was intact the shock wave would kill all of them.
not to mention all their Melta and Plasma weaponry
Which is short ranged and gives away your position. Our boys would laugh at a guy running up to them with a melta gun.
Even heavy bolters would be effective weapons against our battletanks.
Not really, something that can't even penetrate marine armor has no chance against a tank.
You's trollin'! Seriously. Get out please.
You be Fanboys! Seriously. Get out please.
I highly doubt the US Military would use tomahawk missile on its own position to begin with and tomahawk aren't much use without gps... which would be knocked out long before the Astartes would be deployed.
Which is the only thing the imperium has that puts them as the winners. Take those space ships away and we outclass them in every way except for sheer numbers. hell they even acknowledge that the lasgun is weaker than the basic assault rifle in the inquisitor books, the only reason it's used is it's easier to resupply and manufacture.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 19:57:16
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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The Conquerer
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Using those rediclous stats is a bad idea. the GW team really sucks when it comes to statting their own vehicles. they really can't make their stuff awsome enough, especially when the fluff has them doing amazing things that we can guage their actual performance from.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:06:36
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Grey Templar wrote:Using those rediclous stats is a bad idea. the GW team really sucks when it comes to statting their own vehicles. they really can't make their stuff awsome enough, especially when the fluff has them doing amazing things that we can guage their actual performance from.
Still you can easily draw comparisons from the fluff in the books
IG missile launcher= Gen 2 Shaped charge warhead ~80mm
RPG7= Gen 3 Shaped charge warhead 85mm
IG autocannon= 30mm ... well fething autocannon
Bushmaster 25mm= 25mm autocannon
IG Heavy Stubber= M1919 .30 machine gun (forge world chaos heavy stubber team is actually an MG-42)
US Heavy Machine Gun= .50 caliber BMG
30 years ago the IG might have been able to compete, but not now. The IG were modeled after modern military forces..... 30 years ago... we've gotten much better since then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:08:41
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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Space Marine Power Armour has withstood Ahriman's Psyflame Bomb, which disintegrated every guardsman present and leveled the most massive Librarium outside of Sol.
It can also withstand Autocannon rounds, which CAN penetrate tanks. Tanks in 40k, mind you.
Oh, and it can withstand a Space Marine's chainsword. You know, which are monomolecular. A chainsaw with an edge that small and spinning that fast would cut through modern tank armour like butter in human hands. Let alone that of a Space Marine's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:15:11
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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We'd lose, because we don't have a spacefleet, and how well our ICBMs would work against void-shielded spacecraft is iffy at best (even ridiculous age-of-sail-in-vaccuum ships made by technology worshipped rather than understood). They could bomb us with impunity. They'd also have comparatively limitless resupply.
Apart from that it's a little hard to say, because GW was trying to make an exciting game and the fluff authors were trying to make exciting stories, and even when they were trying to be realistic few if any of them had even a knowledgeable amateur-level understanding of either engineering or physics. Plus there's never been any obsessed fanboy in charge of the tech continuty, so it has drifted and been retconned so many times in the 20 years I've been playing 40K that, kinda like a lot of relgious texts, you can find whatever you want in the vast array of rules and fluff. So you get guns that are ridiculously over or under-powered, weapon and equipment designs that are mostly re-purposed AoT farm equipment, Titans (they don't work without anti-gravity tech that is rarely, if ever been described as an integral part of hte manufacture, and even if you had it they'd be stupid), and space combat that drifts all over the place between age of sail, WWII naval and 20th century sub combat, depending on which movie the author saw last. Just to name a few.
It's awesome, it's fun, but trying to compare it to real world armies requires knowing how 40k translates to real world physics, and that changes with almost every book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:15:29
Subject: The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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gendoikari87 wrote:A Leman Russ is armoured like nothing we've ever seen. Ceramite and Adamantium are obviously several times stronger than steel and a Russ is covered thickly in it. Their guns are obviously significantly more powerful than 120mms, plus they have space-age targetting systems and a huge engine that rarely breaks down and will run on anything.
Leman russ is also slow, unsophisticated and tall. The abrams main gun might not be a giant freaking cannon but it's also not a simple explosive shell. The abrams and leman russ could reliably blast each other apart, abrams being faster, and arguably more accurate. Edge Abrams.
It's slow because it doesn't need to be fast; it's designed to keep up with and support the infantry. It's tall because GW modelled it that way; there are hundreds of patterns and I imagine the majority are lower than GW's poorly scaled model. And unsophisticated? Only by the standards of the 41st millenium. But I'd like to see us make an engine that runs as well on diesel as it does on wood.
And if there are Space Marines, then there are Land Raiders. I would like to see our Abrams try to take that thing out.
it's called high explosive anti tank rounds, and one of the imperial armour books gave the steel armor equivalent of the land radier, it was less than half that of the penetration of modern HEAT rounds. As a matter of fact even the APFSDS can penetrate a land raider.
Source?
And what about the LR Vanquisher? In the fluff, that thing is an amazing tank hunter.
Even worse of a match up than the regular leman russ, both can easily penetrate the other, but the abrams is faster more agile and has a lower profile. See my first point.
Our armor cannot withstand an assualt rifle hit, which is equal to an autogun which is equal to a lasgun. Las will punch right through.
Also untrue the current intercepter armor has a ceramic plate that will stop an assualt rifle, which being ceramic will also stop that lasgun. Ceramic won't stop a lasgun while flak armour will easily stop any sub- .50cal rounds. Ceramic is a good insulator, but not against a highly focused pulse carrying kinetic energy as well as thousands of degrees celsius of thermal energy.
An autocannon is about the equal to a 20th century tank gun.
If by tank you mean it's a transplanted 25mm, then yes, otherwise no. the rounds aren't even that much changed. An autocannon is pretty much a semi-auto 75mm tank cannon, but much more reliable and portable than any we've come up with.
"Direct hit! Wait... no, he scratched the paintwork but it's an Ultramarine and he's just glad to have less of that horrible colour scheme."
Pure Fanboyism, Even if the marines armor was intact the shock wave would kill all of them. Marines are protected by a 13 mile barrier of plot armour. And power armour, as well as being insanely tough, is designed to absorb any kinetic energy before it contacts the Space Marine, which is a tank in itself.
not to mention all their Melta and Plasma weaponry
Which is short ranged and gives away your position. Our boys would laugh at a guy running up to them with a melta gun.
Until that guy with a meltagun turns out to have just dropped from a speeding Valkyrie and his weapon melts through tank plates in a fraction of a second. Also, Meltaguns aren't that short ranged and the beam is invisible. 12" on the tabletop usually represents about 200 feet in real life.
Even heavy bolters would be effective weapons against our battletanks.
Not really, something that can't even penetrate marine armor has no chance against a tank. A HB is a .100 cal high-explosive, fully automatic man portable weapon. A trio of them could blast apart an Abrams. Maybe not a Challenger, but definitely a vehicle of Warrior size or lower.
You's trollin'! Seriously. Get out please.
You be Fanboys! Seriously. Get out please.
Fanboys with arguements to back our positions.
I highly doubt the US Military would use tomahawk missile on its own position to begin with and tomahawk aren't much use without gps... which would be knocked out long before the Astartes would be deployed.
Which is the only thing the imperium has that puts them as the winners. Take those space ships away and we outclass them in every way except for sheer numbers. hell they even acknowledge that the lasgun is weaker than the basic assault rifle in the inquisitor books, the only reason it's used is it's easier to resupply and manufacture. Firstly, a lasgun is in no way weaker than a basic assault rifle, it's infinitely more accurate, reliable, efficient and more powerful.
Secondly, if you take away the IoM space fleet the entire arguement is moot since the IoM wouldn't be able to get their in the first place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:15:56
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Space Marine Power Armour has withstood Ahriman's Psyflame Bomb
Flame or bomb, choose one, incindiaries=/=Explosives
It can also withstand Autocannon rounds, which CAN penetrate tanks. Tanks in 40k, mind you
ironic because the 30mm's we have to day barely just are able to do that if they can and require multiple hits. IFV's might fear them but the abrams and the other MBT's don't much unless the vehicle firing it fires at over 3000RPM
Oh, and it can withstand a Space Marine's chainsword. You know, which are monomolecular. A chainsaw with an edge that small and spinning that fast would cut through modern tank armour like butter in human hands. Let alone that of a Space Marine's.
Wishful thinking and poor science. Actually poor geometry even, as the guards would stop any cut from going through.
You can fanboy all you want guys but the weapons of 40k aren't really that effective and the tactics of the space marines will them them killed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:20:37
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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gendoikari87 wrote:Space Marine Power Armour has withstood Ahriman's Psyflame Bomb
Flame or bomb, choose one, incindiaries=/=Explosives
Oh, and it can withstand a Space Marine's chainsword. You know, which are monomolecular. A chainsaw with an edge that small and spinning that fast would cut through modern tank armour like butter in human hands. Let alone that of a Space Marine's.
Wishful thinking and poor science. Actually poor geometry even, as the guards would stop any cut from going through.
And how would the guards get rid of a 7 foot tall Demigod armoured more heavily than our tanks? And why would the Guards stay when any human not raised in the 41st Millenium would panic and run?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:23:11
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Secondly, if you take away the IoM space fleet the entire arguement is moot since the IoM wouldn't be able to get their in the first place.
true.
Source?
one of the imperial armor books I'll go check which.
Ceramic won't stop a lasgun while flak armour will easily stop any sub- .50cal rounds. Ceramic is a good insulator, but not against a highly focused pulse carrying kinetic energy as well as thousands of degrees celsius of thermal energy.
Really cause physics says your wrong.
An autocannon is pretty much a semi-auto 75mm tank cannon, but much more reliable and portable than any we've come up with.
Scaled it's actually a 30mm, the only source that says it's any larger is an old source from way before they changed fluff around.
Marines are protected by a 13 mile barrier of plot armour.
yes because space marines are all 16 miles wide.
Firstly, a lasgun is in no way weaker than a basic assault rifle, it's infinitely more accurate, reliable, efficient and more powerful.
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Fluff says your wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/18 20:24:17
Subject: Re:The Imperium of Man vs. Earth
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Void__Dragon wrote:Space Marine Power Armour has withstood Ahriman's Psyflame Bomb, which disintegrated every guardsman present and leveled the most massive Librarium outside of Sol.
It can also withstand Autocannon rounds, which CAN penetrate tanks. Tanks in 40k, mind you.
Oh, and it can withstand a Space Marine's chainsword. You know, which are monomolecular. A chainsaw with an edge that small and spinning that fast would cut through modern tank armour like butter in human hands. Let alone that of a Space Marine's.
Not to mention Terminators. They will be teleporting in, and if the forces are having some trouble with tanks, they could teleport in some Assault Termies. Those guys will eat through the tanks. And if they are TH/ SS Termies, it will be even harder to kill them, as the shield can protect the wielder from even Lascannon blasts and larger. Short of a large ordnance weapon, killing them will be a pain, especially in urban environments, which is where SM, and Termies in particular, do best at.
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