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Who can beat Mephiston in 1 on 1 combat, fluff wise?
Only Chaos and Xenos, no Imperials against Mephiston.
Go.

Doombreed

Until he magically disapears getting into combat with Mephi

I guess Abaddon could, and Kharn could resist any psychic abilities he has.

Ghazzy would eat Mephiston alive, both in fluff and in game.

The Swarmlord.

Eldrad Ulthran.

The Son Of Russ wrote:Eldrad Ulthran.

That is not true,most of the time Eldrad dies to Mephiston.

Sometimes Mephiston will die to Eldrad, but not as much.

if mephiston was actually listed as a deamon, as it should have. Draigo would have a chance. On the other hand an avatar with fortune maybe?

eve other than that an actual deamon prince

DeathReaper wrote:

The Son Of Russ wrote:Eldrad Ulthran.

That is not true,most of the time Eldrad dies to Mephiston.

Sometimes Mephiston will die to Eldrad, but not as much.

Brother Coa wrote:Who can beat Mephiston in 1 on 1 combat, fluff wise?

Eldrad is an ancient Farseer of many, many more years of experience and most likely is far more powerful than Mephiston can ever hope to be in terms of psychic potential. When Mephiston can sacrifice himself to take out a Blackstone Fortress' heart single-handedly and still remain in the material world enough to keep several spirit stones alive, we can talk.

oh wait you said fluffwise so when you think about it.
nearly all of the chaos heroes can take out mephiston abaddon, kharn , huron can match him easily, all the other primarchs as well.

loyalist wise probably will give mephiston a run for his money and crowe since he is the brotherhood champion of the purifiers.

Mephiston is the only one to EVER fall to the black rage and keep his wits about him.

No one else has ever done this, and until Mephiston did it, it was thought to be Impossible.

His will is stronger than Eldrad's, and almost as strong as the emperor's will.

Any of the Daemon Primarchs could take him, as could Abbadon.

I would think Ghazghkull, though I confess that I don't have much to back that up except Ghazghkull beating the piss out of Belial, and Belial is on a somewhat lower level than Mephiston. Still, the biggest and baddest Ork Warlord in the galaxy is likely to be quite simply terrifying in close combat, and what he lacks in experience compared to Mephiston he makes up in size and strength.

Any given named Necron character. They've been around for basically eternity, and possess technology light-years beyond anything he's ever heard of or seen.

Eldrad. Any Space Marine who tried to take on Eldrad would suffer rapid-onset Exploding Head Syndrome.

DeathReaper wrote:Mephiston is the only one to EVER fall to the black rage and keep his wits about him.

No one else has ever done this, and unti Mephiston did it, it was thought to be Impossible.

His will is stronger than Eldrad;s, and almost as strong as the emperor's will.

Eldrad cannot suffer the Black Rage, so how can you use it to say he's weaker than Mephiston? A mortal mind conquered something other mortal minds though impossible, whereas Eldrad predicted the future, held entire races in the palm of his hand as he directed them from the background, led Ulthwé into direct conflict against a direct Chaos attack on the world of Haran, where Ulthwé faced legions of Chaos Marines as well as limitless amounts of Daemons to prevent them gaining access to the webway (which probably saved a great many more lives of other races, including Mankind), and went toe-to-toe with a corrupted Blackstone heart of almost pure warp energy that would've obliterated the minds of the vast majority of Pyskers, even Eldar psykers, in an instant.

An'ggrath the Unbound, Kairos Fateweaver, The Masque and Ku'gath Plaguefather would do unfortunate things to Mephiston. Skulltaker would take skulls.

Hey, now that I think about it: Old Zogwort. His psychic potential is massive! THAT'D be a cool fight!

Oh, and Bjorn would kick his behind.

Finally, Creed could take him one on one: he'd outflank Mephiston into a star and giggle.

Drahzar would win fluffwise.... but in the game it would be a lot closer

I am surprised nobody mentioned Maugan Ra...
I am also surprised on list of characters who could beat them in fight, a men who beat Daemon to death and carve his way trough entire Tyranid strike force while tearing apart Carnifex with his bare hands ( ordinary hands, not power fist ) is surely not an easy opponent.

He beat up a load of (armed) orks, unarmoured and unarmed without resorting to psychic powers after digging himself out of a load of rubble.

If you ask me, he's fluffwise one of the harder named charachters out there

I'd say Swarmlord, but that's namely because I don't know much about Mephiston sadly

As Mephiston heaved aside the massive boulders from his makeshift tomb, the sound of scraping stone drew the attention of a band of Orks still roaming the ruins. Coming upon the stricken Astartes, the Orks thought Mephiston appeared to be easy prey, as he was weaponless and his armour was in ruins. They soon came to rue their decision to attack the "helpless" Space Marine. Outmatched by Mephiston's speed, five Orks died within seconds as the Astartes rained down powerful blows upon them that pulverised flesh and shattered bone. Too stupid to realise that they were outmatched, the Orks pressed the attack. But the reborn Blood Angel continued to fight the brutal Orks until Mephiston punched a large hole clear through the chest of the largest Ork and ripped out his heart.

And that is why Eldrad would not kill Meph. He would do the same to Eldrad whilst shouting KALI-MAH!

Mephiston can kill some Orks so Eldrad can't win? Since when was it going to be about pure body strength? Where is the guarantee that Mephiston's head won't have blown up before he can even think about killing Eldrad?

You're throwing bits of background around that don't mean anything and claiming they mean Eldrad can't win, yet it's clear that Mephiston is clearly the weaker being psychically, and that's all that matters; you can't punch a hole through someone whilst you're trying to stop your head from exploding and dodging lightning coming from someone who can see the future and adjust his attacks accordingly.

Unless there's background that states that Mephiston can match the power, intellect and skill of one of the Galaxy's oldest, most powerful psykers from the galaxy's most powerful race of psykers, then nothing else can do will matter.

It's awfully hard to throttle someone to death when you're missing limbs and being attacked by psychic lightning.

Let me then ease it for you - Eldrad is dead so he can't even fight him. Not unless he gain a new body...

Eldrad would see it coming, though.

Mephiston's character description pretty much says that he killed an entire mob of boyz without armor or weapons. Which is not that awesome, as in fluff about every tyranid monstrous creature does that for lunch, breakfast and dinner. Even Straken killed a Warboss bare-handed, and he is a puny imperial guardsman.

Mephiston is the only one to EVER fall to the black rage and keep his wits about him.

No one else has ever done this, and until Mephiston did it, it was thought to be Impossible.

His will is stronger than Eldrad's, and almost as strong as the emperor's will.

Um... Lemartes?

Fluffwise... anything could destroy Mephiston.

Abaddon or his Planet Killer, Greater Daemons, Chaos gods, Typhus or any chosen of the gods, Eldrad or any of the Pheonix Lords, Avatar of Khaine....

The list is endless. Fluff is a stupid way to judge. By fluff logic (or Mat Wards...) Mephiston would destroy himself because he isn't an Ultramarine and according to the fluff ALL MARINES WANT BE ULTRA!!!!

Brother Coa wrote:Let me then ease it for you - Eldrad is dead so he can't even fight him. Not unless he gain a new body...

I don't believe you placed the requirement that suggestions must currently be alive, you just asked who/what could take on Mephiston in the fluff.

I didn't want to be the first to say it...Draigo.

Maybe you shouldn't have. No guys loyal to the Emprah allowed.

I'd say Chaplain Grimaldus has a fair shot. Man can literally survive a cathedral falling on his head and crawl out purely because he wants to.

Avatar 720 wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Let me then ease it for you - Eldrad is dead so he can't even fight him. Not unless he gain a new body...

I don't believe you placed the requirement that suggestions must currently be alive, you just asked who/what could take on Mephiston in the fluff.

I just say that for you 2 to stop arguing. We all know that Eldar are better psykers then Humans ( except the Emperor himself ) and Eldrad is not exception.
I truly believe that Eldrad would defeat Mephiston in psychic duel, but that Mephiston would tear him apart on cc duel.
And the fact that Eldrad died in the fluff while Mephiston is still alive put him in favor over Eldrad.


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Deadshot wrote:I didn't want to be the first to say it...Draigo.

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smudgethekat wrote:I'd say Chaplain Grimaldus has a fair shot. Man can literally survive a cathedral falling on his head and crawl out purely because he wants to.

And what part of: " no Imperials against Mephiston." you didn't understand.
He is loyal servant of the Emperor, why would he fight Imperials at all?
Only Xenos and Chaos included and...


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DeffDred wrote:
Abaddon or his Planet Killer, Greater Daemons, Chaos gods, Typhus or any chosen of the gods, Eldrad or any of the Pheonix Lords, Avatar of Khaine....

...we all know that he would have little chance against Chaos God ( he is not Draigo ) or against a SPACE SHIP who can DESTROY A PLANET.
Others are beaten in fluff by heroes equal or weaker then him ( Mephiston alone beat Grater Daemon M'Kar to death, Calgar beat Avatar in duel... )