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DeathReaper wrote:Mephiston is the only one to EVER fall to the black rage and keep his wits about him.

No one else has ever done this, and until Mephiston did it, it was thought to be Impossible.

His will is stronger than Eldrad's, and almost as strong as the emperor's will.

DeathReaper wrote:His will is stronger than Eldrad's, and almost as strong as the emperor's will.

DeathReaper wrote:almost as strong as the emperor's will.

what

Brother Coa wrote:
And the fact that Eldrad died in the fluff while Mephiston is still alive put him in favor over Eldrad.

The fact that Horus has died in the fluff while Commisar Gaunt is still alive puts him in favor over Horus.

... Do you actually go over your posts after typing them and assess the logic that you're using? Because in this instance it is horrible.

Eldrad being dead has absolutely zero bearing on how a fight between him and Mephiston, or any character, would go.

BlaxicanX wrote:

The fact that Horus has died in the fluff while Commisar Gaunt is still alive puts him in favor over Horus.
... Do you actually go over your posts after typing them and assess the logic that you're using? Because in this instance it is horrible.
Eldrad being dead has absolutely zero bearing on how a fight between him and Mephiston, or any character, would go.

Easy, Mephiston goes back in time.

How does being dead have any effect on their fighting capacity while alive? As far as fluff known to me goes, all Mephiston ever did was punching a bunch of boyz dead. When compared to say, Old One Eye, who plowed it's way through entire companies of guardsmen and tanks, seems a little weak.

Jidmah wrote: all Mephiston ever did was punching a bunch of boyz dead.

Read: "The Hives of Hollonan", he carved his way trough entire Tyranid brood and killed their Tyrant and all his guard. Before that he held the doors of cathedral for 6 hours and tear apart Carnifex with his bare hands ( no power fist, just hands like your and mine ). He was stopped when Trygon hit him from the back and bury hi under the pile of rubble.
Now find me someone who can go alone trough entire Tyranid brood force and came out alive.

Brother Coa wrote:

Jidmah wrote: all Mephiston ever did was punching a bunch of boyz dead.

Read: "The Hives of Hollonan", he carved his way trough entire Tyranid brood and killed their Tyrant and all his guard. Before that he held the doors of cathedral for 6 hours and tear apart Carnifex with his bare hands ( no power fist, just hands like your and mine ). He was stopped when Trygon hit him from the back and bury hi under the pile of rubble.
Now find me someone who can go alone trough entire Tyranid brood force and came out alive.

Maugan Ra.

Fluff-wise it would be Kharn the Betrayer. He comes close to mephiston in physical strenght and bears the blessing of Khorne, which renders any psychic powers useless.


Brother Coa. Marneus Galgar held back a whole friggin Ork Waagh for a day and a night alone. Kaldor Draigo messed up the whole realm of chaos, again all by his own. The space marine fluff is littered with OP stuff like that, so standing up against a whole tyranids brood force doesnt seem so special anymore.

Oh, and Eldrad would beat Mephiston IMHO. He knows your every move...

Actually, it doesn't say "from the back". So he got beaten by a trygon.

Ironically, he might not have survived if Eldrad hand't helped the blood angels right there.

Jidmah wrote:Actually, it doesn't say "from the back". So he got beaten by a trygon.

Ironically, he might not have survived if Eldrad hand't helped the blood angels right there.

So it could be that Mephiston lives thanks to Eldrad? Oh, the irony...

Sasori wrote:The Swarmlord.

If Calgar can beat it, then Mephiston would eat it for breakfast

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Sasori wrote:The Swarmlord.

If Calgar can beat it, then Mephiston would eat it for breakfast

Calgar was beaten by the Swarmlord... The Swarmlord not only beat him in combat, but outwitted him tactically as well.

Sasori wrote:

Calgar was beaten by the Swarmlord... The Swarmlord not only beat him in combat, but outwitted him tactically as well.

Indeed.

Only Calgar's Honour Guard stalled the beast long enough for his mortally wounded body to be whisked away from the battle.

Iranna

Wait what? I must have read that really wrong then, let me look again

TheAngrySquig wrote:Wait what? I must have read that really wrong then, let me look again

"Calgar was laid low, his body rent and torn, his last strength expanded in mortal combat against the Swarmlord"

The only reason Calgar even survived, is Ultramarines started throwing themselves on the Swarmlord's swords long enough for Calgar to flee in a Thunderhawk.

I also think An'Ggrath, Zarakynel, Scabeiathrax, and M'kachen would make a total fool out of Mephiston.

I have never heard of any other hero of the Imperium who has faced a Swarmlord and lived to tell the tale. The Swarmlord is like the whole Hive Mind compressed into a single being. Its strong, intelligent and immortal. Id like to see Mephiston battle against one.

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:
I have never heard of any other hero of the Imperium who has faced a Swarmlord and lived to tell the tale. The Swarmlord is like the whole Hive Mind compressed into a single being. Its strong, intelligent and immortal. Id like to see Mephiston battle against one.

Swarmlord didn't meet Draigo - yet

Brother Coa wrote:

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:
I have never heard of any other hero of the Imperium who has faced a Swarmlord and lived to tell the tale. The Swarmlord is like the whole Hive Mind compressed into a single being. Its strong, intelligent and immortal. Id like to see Mephiston battle against one.

Swarmlord didn't meet Draigo - yet

Thats why Mat Ward should quit writing new codices for marines

There are a still few Imperials that could beat the Swarmlord.

TheAngrySquig wrote:There are a still few Imperials that could beat the Swarmlord.

Well if we do not count in the Primarchs, then I would like to know which heroes do you mean?

The Sanguinor could realisticaly beat it pretty well

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:There are a still few Imperials that could beat the Swarmlord.

Well if we do not count in the Primarchs, then I would like to know which heroes do you mean?

Saint Celestine or any other Living Saint probably could. They are monstrously powerful.

Draigo's geneseed is from the emperor. The emprah is the gk primarch why shouldnt he beable to thump some people?

Draigo wrote:Draigo's geneseed is from the emperor. The emprah is the gk primarch why shouldnt he beable to thump some people?

We don't know where the GK Geneseed is from, it's only hinted to be from the big E.

Well there are a few obvious ones lile Primarchs (The bad ones)

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Draigo wrote:Draigo's geneseed is from the emperor. The emprah is the gk primarch why shouldnt he beable to thump some people?

We don't know where the GK Geneseed is from, it's only hinted to be from the big E.

Well aside from say its him there has been numerous hints even down to the psy power holocaust they use. The same power E used to smite Horus.

Skulltaker would rip him apart.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:There are a still few Imperials that could beat the Swarmlord.

Well if we do not count in the Primarchs, then I would like to know which heroes do you mean?

Saint Celestine or any other Living Saint probably could. They are monstrously powerful.

Not even close.

Broodlord with implant attacks, swarmlord, vect

Aun'va would own his face...