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Really?

Prince Yriel of the Eldar owns mephiston. He wounds easily and mephy gets no armor saves. His only weakness is his toughness. But he'll attack before mephy and last more than one round. that's enough to kill him. And he has also killed a Tyranid leader beast.

I think pretty most of the special characters could woop Mephiston in fluff and game.

Abaddon, Ghaz, Swarmlord, Greater Daemons and probably kharn would certainly roll him over without so much as a sweat in game and most in fluff too. It's nice to speculate but Mephiston is hardly a 40k character that strikes me as a big bad... now if you wanted to ask me into this debate over Abaddon, Dante, Calagar, the swarmlord, a bloodthirster or a primarch for example i'd happily have a more indepth discussion.


EDIT: How can anyone even suggest Eldrad and Mephiston are on par with Horus? HORUS? The guy that mortally wounded the emperor.. a guy who's strong enough to supposedly hold the chaos gods at bay. What moron would actually think that!? They're not on par with Ahriman or Abaddon... let alone a primarch or the emperor. pft...

Semper wrote:I think pretty most of the special characters could woop Mephiston in fluff and game.

Abaddon, Ghaz, Swarmlord, Greater Daemons and probably kharn would certainly roll him over without so much as a sweat in game and most in fluff too. It's nice to speculate but Mephiston is hardly a 40k character that strikes me as a big bad... now if you wanted to ask me into this debate over Abaddon, Dante, Calagar, the swarmlord, a bloodthirster or a primarch for example i'd happily have a more indepth discussion.


EDIT: How can anyone even suggest Eldrad and Mephiston are on par with Horus? HORUS? The guy that mortally wounded the emperor.. a guy who's strong enough to supposedly hold the chaos gods at bay. What moron would actually think that!? They're not on par with Ahriman or Abaddon... let alone a primarch or the emperor. pft...

To be fair, Eldrad might actually be on par with Ahriman. It was, after all, Eldrad who created the Third War for Armageddon. He was the most powerful known psyker of a race which is renowned for it's powerful psykers.

Agreed on the Horus part though, that's just hubris.

Cannibal wrote:
The first is that Mephiston might be possessed by a greater daemon. It's hard to say how this would affect Lucius' prospects at possessing him, unless Lucius could kick the daemon out. This has a similar effect on the comparison of Mephiston and Eldrad's realative psychic power. Eldrad is an immortal, ancient psycher, Mephiston is mortal. Except that Mephiston might actualy also be an immortal, ancient psycher - or at least possessed by one.

Speculation has no place in a thread like this. There's not much suggesting that Mephiston is posessed by anything.

Lady Malys. Immune to Psychic powers from him and quite a cool weapon means she could take him on and win.

Not really.

Most of Mephy's powers affect him IIRC, not her, and she's fragile.

She will hit him first, likely, and could take him down with good rolls, but i'd not count on it.

Add in a squad of Incubi, OTOH

Semper wrote:


EDIT: How can anyone even suggest Eldrad and Mephiston are on par with Horus? HORUS? The guy that mortally wounded the emperor.. a guy who's strong enough to supposedly hold the chaos gods at bay. What moron would actually think that!? They're not on par with Ahriman or Abaddon... let alone a primarch or the emperor. pft...

Did you just call someone a moron for being uninformed about fictional characters?


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Cannibal wrote:
The first is that Mephiston might be possessed by a greater daemon. It's hard to say how this would affect Lucius' prospects at possessing him, unless Lucius could kick the daemon out. This has a similar effect on the comparison of Mephiston and Eldrad's realative psychic power. Eldrad is an immortal, ancient psycher, Mephiston is mortal. Except that Mephiston might actualy also be an immortal, ancient psycher - or at least possessed by one.

Speculation has no place in a thread like this. There's not much suggesting that Mephiston is posessed by anything.

Cannibal wrote:

Semper wrote:


EDIT: How can anyone even suggest Eldrad and Mephiston are on par with Horus? HORUS? The guy that mortally wounded the emperor.. a guy who's strong enough to supposedly hold the chaos gods at bay. What moron would actually think that!? They're not on par with Ahriman or Abaddon... let alone a primarch or the emperor. pft...

Did you just call someone a moron for being uninformed about fictional characters?
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Meant as a method of highlighting the obvious absurdity of saying a librarian is as strong as a Primarch, not an assault on their personal intelligence. They could be a theoretical physicist for all I know. Best not see poison where there is only colourful discussion.

Thanks for clarifying.

pompomperson wrote:Aun'va would own his face...

Congratulations, intelligence of this thread reduced by 75%

I jest, but really Aun'va, a TAU

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Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:Reading this thread opened my eyes on how mary sue Eldrad is

(I dont know any eldar fluff, so I may be wrong with this whole thing)

If he was so great why didnt he forsee his death and do something to avert it?

From my understanding he knew he would die, but went with the course of action anyway, has choosing a course of action that would let him live ended rather badly for the rest of the Eldars/Universe. Just like Paul Muad'dib in the second Dune Book... or heck, Jesus, who knew he'd end up on that cross and didn't run for Mexico...

This make him a martyr... and doesn't really make him any less of a Mary Sue really.

He is still alive - his consciousness flickering in the remaining waystones that he poured himself into.

In game, Monsterous Creatures dont have EW and Meph has a force weapon right? so all meph has to do is pass his test, cause a wound and the swarmlord or hive tyrant is gone.

Billagio wrote:In game, Monsterous Creatures dont have EW and Meph has a force weapon right? so all meph has to do is pass his test, cause a wound and the swarmlord or hive tyrant is gone.

Can be tough to pass Psychic tests on 3D6, especially when you don't have an Invulnerable save to protect from perils.

DeathReaper wrote:
almost as strong as the emperor's will.

No.

Cannibal wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Cannibal wrote:
The first is that Mephiston might be possessed by a greater daemon. It's hard to say how this would affect Lucius' prospects at possessing him, unless Lucius could kick the daemon out. This has a similar effect on the comparison of Mephiston and Eldrad's realative psychic power. Eldrad is an immortal, ancient psycher, Mephiston is mortal. Except that Mephiston might actualy also be an immortal, ancient psycher - or at least possessed by one.

Speculation has no place in a thread like this. There's not much suggesting that Mephiston is posessed by anything.

Respectfuly, this thread is nothing BUT speculation. As has been pointed out, some of these characters don't even exsist at the same time so they could never fight. This is a fun game of "what if", nothing more.

Fine, let me rephrase myself: "Making up parts of a character's background so that he has a better chance at winning is counter-productive to the goal of this thread. There's not much suggesting that Mephiston is posessed by anything."

I think Lelith could take him in both

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Cannibal wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Cannibal wrote:
The first is that Mephiston might be possessed by a greater daemon. It's hard to say how this would affect Lucius' prospects at possessing him, unless Lucius could kick the daemon out. This has a similar effect on the comparison of Mephiston and Eldrad's realative psychic power. Eldrad is an immortal, ancient psycher, Mephiston is mortal. Except that Mephiston might actualy also be an immortal, ancient psycher - or at least possessed by one.

Speculation has no place in a thread like this. There's not much suggesting that Mephiston is posessed by anything.

Respectfuly, this thread is nothing BUT speculation. As has been pointed out, some of these characters don't even exsist at the same time so they could never fight. This is a fun game of "what if", nothing more.

Fine, let me rephrase myself: "Making up parts of a character's background so that he has a better chance at winning is counter-productive to the goal of this thread. There's not much suggesting that Mephiston is posessed by anything."

I hate Blood Angels because I used to play them when they where cool. I'm really not pulling for him here, I was just trying to contribute. Thanks for clarifying though.

Cannibal wrote:Respectfuly, this thread is nothing BUT speculation. As has been pointed out, some of these characters don't even exsist at the same time so they could never fight. This is a fun game of "what if", nothing more.

Not quite. Mephiston was saved once by an Eldar army interfering due to one of Eldrad's visions. Whether they saved Mephiston (once again burried by rubble) on purpose or by accident is only known by Eldrad.

Though, in the next codex Mephiston should have Preferred Enemy: Ruins in game.

???

How do you reroll to hit against terrain?

I think Mephiston should only role 1D6 for difficult terrain. He does so like to get burried.

He should be made to take a pinning test on 3D6 at the start and end of every phase if he is in a building ior ruin.

whrextheimpaler wrote:I think Lelith could take him in both

Her WS is only 2 higher than his so only 2 bonus attacks and even though thats 6 attacks, shes S3 and hes T6 so not that great of a chance at wounding. She will ignore his armor though, so thats good and she can deffinitely hold him for a while in game. In fluff, she would wreck him easily, shes probably the best "mortal" fighter in the galaxy, most greater daemons could take her out

@TheAngrySquig: True i do agree, i think the rolls would be the down fall for her, but i think it would be entertaining to see and or take part in.

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whrextheimpaler wrote:I think Lelith could take him in both

Her WS is only 2 higher than his so only 2 bonus attacks and even though thats 6 attacks, shes S3 and hes T6 so not that great of a chance at wounding. She will ignore his armor though, so thats good and she can deffinitely hold him for a while in game. In fluff, she would wreck him easily, shes probably the best "mortal" fighter in the galaxy, most greater daemons could take her out

If we do not count Astartes as mortal then she probably is. Otherwise I'd nominate Khârn for that title. The man's been run over by a Land Raider and lived, after all.

Kharne is a beast in everything but, i dont think he would cut it

I forgot his rules but doesnt he hurt himself if he misses or something to that extent?

whrextheimpaler wrote:Kharne is a beast in everything but, i dont think he would cut it

I forgot his rules but doesnt he hurt himself if he misses or something to that extent?

No, he hurts his friends if he does. Doesn't matter if there aren't any friends around though... Oh, and if we're going statwise, assuming Khârn charges Lelith:

Lelith strikes first, with 7 attacks at WS9. She thus hits with 4.666... attacks. Of those 4.666..., 1.555... will wound. After Khârn's 5+ Invulnerable Save, One wound will have been lost.

Khârn then strikes with 6 attacks (yes, that's right, Khârn has 7 attacks on the charge!). Of these, 5 hit (hitting on 2's is everyday work for Khârn!). Of these 5, 4 will wound, which means that one of the wounds will slip through Lelith's invuln save and turn her brain into paste.

If Lelith charges, she wins because Khârn isn't S6 and thus doesn't instantly kill her.

Yet a five is less of a chance to roll then a 3 so, i believe we know who would win. However, we are not talking about Kharne vs Lelith, its Mephiston vs Every one lol. (except other marines)

whrextheimpaler wrote:Yet a five is less of a chance to roll then a 3 so, i believe we know who would win. However, we are not talking about Kharne vs Lelith, its Mephiston vs Every one lol. (except other marines)

The thing is that Lelith has to pass every save, whereas Khârn only needs to survive with 1 wound left. Lelith doesn't inflict ID, Khârn does (on a turn in which he charges her).


Back on topic: If it weren't for the "only non-imperial" clause, I'd imagine Grimaldus could make him commit suicide out of shame: HE crawled out from under a CATHEDRAL. Where's your ruin now, Mephiston?!

Excuse my ignorance but what did Ahriman do that makes him greater than Eldrad? As far as I can see, all he's done is lead Thousand Sons on Prospero, and manage to enter the Webway, capturing Inquisitor Czevak in the process, before being kicked out again. Whereas Eldrad pushed back a massive Chaos invasion using a force that mainly consisted of Eldar Guardians, caused the 2nd war of Armaggedon, which then lead to the 3rd, and took out a Blackstone Fortress (admittedly, dying in the process, although some of his spirit stones still show signs of life to some extent). Are Ahriman's achievements really greater than Eldrad's, or have I missed something?

Back on topic, I know an Avatar is generally something that people go around punching to prove how hard they are, but I reckon that an Avatar could take Mephiston.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

whrextheimpaler wrote:Yet a five is less of a chance to roll then a 3 so, i believe we know who would win. However, we are not talking about Kharne vs Lelith, its Mephiston vs Every one lol. (except other marines)

The thing is that Lelith has to pass every save, whereas Khârn only needs to survive with 1 wound left. Lelith doesn't inflict ID, Khârn does (on a turn in which he charges her).


Back on topic: If it weren't for the "only non-imperial" clause, I'd imagine Grimaldus could make him commit suicide out of shame: HE crawled out from under a CATHEDRAL. Where's your ruin now, Mephiston?!

This. Also, Ghazza would just swat Mephiston in a fight hands down.

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