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Make your voice be heard! Post a comment to express your longing for it! It's been since 1 year since I tried to get to W40k, but 3 things prevented me from doing it :



1) CSM do not have a Codex worthy of their Unholy Might

2)GW is stuck in a transition to 6th ed, which make buying things risky since they could become useless (reference to the squats)

3)Each other Army Codex I bought never satisfied my desire for a new and better CSM Codex, and hell did I bought a bunch of Codexes : DA, BT, DoC (plus CSM)

I even tried to start WHFB with warriors of chaos, but even then, this wasn't what I wanted. What I really want is a good codex, not an OP one, for the most bad-ass Anarcho-Nihilistic Super-Soldiers of all time, and to be honest, after almost a year of waiting, I feel like I'm about to explode!



So for anyone who share my love for CSM and longs for a new Codex, make yourself know dear Chaos Brothers!

I don't play CSM, nor do I intend to start playing them, but I would like to see more of them on the field. They are meant to be the main villains of 40k, and they should be treated like such.

I don't want a new codex because it'll probably be even worse than the current one.

LoneLictor wrote:I don't want a new codex because it'll probably be even worse than the current one.

I'm really curious why you think this.

Brother SRM wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:I don't want a new codex because it'll probably be even worse than the current one.

I'm really curious why you think this.

Because most old chaos players believe that their current codex is worse than their old one. The only people who whine louder about this are eldar players.

I don't think CSM, strictly speaking, NEED a new codex. I'd like to see them get the imperial guard treatment where the codex remains more or less the same, but is cleaned up so that the several really stupid options would be worth fielding again. It wouldn't take more than cleaning up a few special rules and changing a few points costs slightly.

Except for spawn... They just need to redo those entirely...

Ailaros wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:I don't want a new codex because it'll probably be even worse than the current one.

I'm really curious why you think this.

Because most old chaos players believe that their current codex is worse than their old one. The only people who whine louder about this are eldar players.

I don't think CSM, strictly speaking, NEED a new codex. I'd like to see them get the imperial guard treatment where the codex remains more or less the same, but is cleaned up so that the several really stupid options would be worth fielding again. It wouldn't take more than cleaning up a few special rules and changing a few points costs slightly.

Except for spawn... They just need to redo those entirely...

I'm not a particularly old player regarding Chaos. I've maybe played Chaos for 2-3 years, which isn't very much compared to some of the veterans. And I don't want a new codex because the new fluff probably won't be good. The stats and balance will probably be better than they are currently; GW has been getting better at creating balanced stuff with the most recent few codexs. However, I don't think that's worth butchering the fluff any further. But I mainly play casual games, so I can see where people will disagree with me on that.

I think the wargear available should be expanded and I'd like some units *cough cough SPAWN cough cough* fixed up. Also some new units would be pretty cool...

Ah screw it, just make it Just Dave's CSM codex, that'll be swell by me.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/340878.page

Personally I really think they need a new Codex, Particularly since I play Word Bearers and they were barely even mentioned in the current codex, ( i think the name comes up about 3 times in the whole book). Really any of the legions got boned to pieces in this book. it's very dry, and feels like the whole thing was written solely for the Red Corsairs.

I, for one, think that Spawn should have some options. After all, it is quite ironic that Chaos Spawn are not only the most diverse lifeform in the 40K universe, and have the most customizable kit that GW has ever made, yet have no upgrades or options AT ALL.

I want a new Chaos Codex and i dont even play them... YET!

I have the current one, and can see the problem. Having never played them, Im vanilla marines, i can see about the point issue and some rules etc.

Im waiting for the new Codex before i get my mainly Khorne army off they ground. Blood for the Blood God!!!

Ailaros wrote:
Because most old chaos players believe that their current codex is worse than their old one. The only people who whine louder about this are eldar players.

I don't think CSM, strictly speaking, NEED a new codex. I'd like to see them get the imperial guard treatment where the codex remains more or less the same, but is cleaned up so that the several really stupid options would be worth fielding again. It wouldn't take more than cleaning up a few special rules and changing a few points costs slightly.

Except for spawn... They just need to redo those entirely...

I agree that the currently one is largely worse than their old one, which is why I don't understand why someone wouldn't want a new one. Generally GW's 5th ed codices have revamped the old armies in good ways, the CSM and DA codices were just part of a very stupid period in GW game design that was over very quickly, thankfully. Giving Chaos a new codex can only be a good thing.

Brother SRM wrote:

Ailaros wrote:
Because most old chaos players believe that their current codex is worse than their old one. The only people who whine louder about this are eldar players.

I don't think CSM, strictly speaking, NEED a new codex. I'd like to see them get the imperial guard treatment where the codex remains more or less the same, but is cleaned up so that the several really stupid options would be worth fielding again. It wouldn't take more than cleaning up a few special rules and changing a few points costs slightly.

Except for spawn... They just need to redo those entirely...

I agree that the currently one is largely worse than their old one, which is why I don't understand why someone wouldn't want a new one. Generally GW's 5th ed codices have revamped the old armies in good ways, the CSM and DA codices were just part of a very stupid period in GW game design that was over very quickly, thankfully. Giving Chaos a new codex can only be a good thing.

What was this new design system again? I can't seem to remember the details.

Part of me is hoping for a new CSM codex as well as CSM in the new starter box for 6th.

As I just posted in another thread, I'd love to see a Chaos Codex that focuses on cultists/heretics. CSM, I always imagined would be far less common than the Imperial Space Marines and such should, for the most part be considered as Chaos elites. However I think obviously the Codex could include rules for making an entire CSM army.

Alternatively there could be two codexes for Chaos, but both are designed to be used together or as separate entities.

CSM need a new codex. The one in 4th was great and I think was the best. IW have a good list in that one and lost everything with the new one. Also the gods "numbers" per squad was great but GW had to make it easier on the all the SM players.

thevirus wrote:CSM need a new codex. The one in 4th was great and I think was the best. IW have a good list in that one and lost everything with the new one. Also the gods "numbers" per squad was great but GW had to make it easier on the all the SM players.

Even after all these years I still field my marked squads with proper numbers. It just made sense, and really each army played decently with there number.

thevirus wrote:CSM need a new codex. The one in 4th was great and I think was the best. IW have a good list in that one and lost everything with the new one. Also the gods "numbers" per squad was great but GW had to make it easier on the all the SM players.

IW's were far too abusable by WAAC @$$hats in the 3.5 codex. While I loved the design ideas and concepts of that fabled book, it was just so poorly pulled off and it led to all chaos players being labeled as cheesey, fun-hating, TFG's who were killing the game for everyone else.

I want the new chaos marines book to be a blend of codex smurfs & dark eldar in terms of it's balance. Those books are likely the best balanced 5th ed books - both internally and externally, with dark eldar being a bit better as it came much later on in the cycle and thus had a better feel for 5th ed's overall balance.
I really don't want to see us get something along the lines of BA's or GK's. Let's please not go back to the days of chaos being decryed as the 'uber cheese!

Just let me use my 3.5 dex and I could care less.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What was this new design system again? I can't seem to remember the details.

Dark Angels, Chaos Marines, and the WD Blood Angels all shared this ridiculous model. Options were cut to a minimum generally, and it led to very bland codices. For instance, a Dark Angels tactical squad was 5 men for X points. It could take 5 more men for Y points. The sergeant could only take a power weapon, power fist, or plasma pistol, no other options. HQs only had slightly more options, and it was an awful, awful time for codex design. People crucified Gav Thorpe over it, but it was mostly Alessio Cavatore who was behind it. It only lasted for those codices, and thankfully it was done away with in short order.

Experiment 626 wrote:

IW's were far too abusable by WAAC @$$hats in the 3.5 codex. While I loved the design ideas and concepts of that fabled book, it was just so poorly pulled off and it led to all chaos players being labeled as cheesey, fun-hating, TFG's who were killing the game for everyone else.

I want the new chaos marines book to be a blend of codex smurfs & dark eldar in terms of it's balance. Those books are likely the best balanced 5th ed books - both internally and externally, with dark eldar being a bit better as it came much later on in the cycle and thus had a better feel for 5th ed's overall balance.
I really don't want to see us get something along the lines of BA's or GK's. Let's please not go back to the days of chaos being decryed as the 'uber cheese!

And this is not done now by BA, SW and Grey Knights? Please. So chaos is not allowed to have a cheesy army? So far its all SM chapters that have cheesy list!! So DO YOU look at ALL SW, BA, and Grey Knights list cheesy?

thevirus wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

IW's were far too abusable by WAAC @$$hats in the 3.5 codex. While I loved the design ideas and concepts of that fabled book, it was just so poorly pulled off and it led to all chaos players being labeled as cheesey, fun-hating, TFG's who were killing the game for everyone else.

I want the new chaos marines book to be a blend of codex smurfs & dark eldar in terms of it's balance. Those books are likely the best balanced 5th ed books - both internally and externally, with dark eldar being a bit better as it came much later on in the cycle and thus had a better feel for 5th ed's overall balance.
I really don't want to see us get something along the lines of BA's or GK's. Let's please not go back to the days of chaos being decryed as the 'uber cheese!

And this is not done now by BA, SW and Grey Knights? Please. So chaos is not allowed to have a cheesy army? So far its all SM chapters that have cheesy list!! So DO YOU look at ALL SW, BA, and Grey Knights list cheesy?

I agree. We need something to challenge GK.

I just want my Night Lords back. The current booked hosed my army and GW keeps saying they are gonna release a Legions dex, at least that's what was said a few years back.

I've always really really wanted to play a Nurgle army, a new Codex would be nice, but a plastic kit for the marines is probably what would tip me over the edge.

Id love to do a noise marine army, the models however are a bit meh and the rules to go with them are definately meh.

Emerett wrote:I've always really really wanted to play a Nurgle army, a new Codex would be nice, but a plastic kit for the marines is probably what would tip me over the edge.

Ive recently picked up Typhus, and 3 boxes of Plague Marines (and a single rhino) for a Nurgle army. I am also hoping for a new codex. As a fluff nut, I kinda hate seeing Khorne units and Tzeentch units in the same army; I just dont think that any Noise Marines, Plague Marines, Berzerkers, or Rubric Marines would fight together without VERY good cause (like Abaddon or some such HQ option)

I would love to see cultists or cultist squads (something similar to, in ways of how BTs had the combined squads).. something like Cultist squad: 5-20 culstists WS/BS3, may take a Mark for X points, and be led by a Champion (normal CSM with same mark) etc... something like a guard squad

Some of the other things I would like to see:

Predators and other options brought in line with "loyalist" marines (though havocs can remain nice and cheap, but lets give them the SW split fire rule too )

You guys ever see a daemon prince with wings fnp beast and fleet. Moves 12 fleets d6 and charges twelve. That was when you could build your own dp. Good luck killing him or out running him.

New codex. Dp. Meh not as good.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:You guys ever see a daemon prince with wings fnp beast and fleet. Moves 12 fleets d6 and charges twelve. That was when you could build your own dp. Good luck killing him or out running him.

New codex. Dp. Meh not as good.

It's fine that new Daemon Princes aren't as good. Having two infiltrating fleeting flying Nurgle daemon princes charging you on turn 1 was utterly broken. Daemon Princes as they are are the closest thing to "fine" in the current codex. I'd give them more options for sure, but they're currently solid units.

I would love to see the ability to take a night lords like army in the nex dex. Those guys are awesome.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:I would love to see the ability to take a night lords like army in the nex dex. Those guys are awesome.

this sentiment is basically why I would 100% support a "Legions" codex separated from a "renegades" codex

Samus_aran115 wrote:Just let me use my 3.5 dex and I could care less.

Personally, I disagree.

There was a lot wrong with the 3.5 Codex IMHO, including some of the balance and amount of options. Furthermore, it doesn't really fit with GW's apparent current design ethos...


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King Pariah wrote:I think the wargear available should be expanded and I'd like some units *cough cough SPAWN cough cough* fixed up. Also some new units would be pretty cool...

Ah screw it, just make it Just Dave's CSM codex, that'll be swell by me.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/340878.page

Thanks man!