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In your opinion what codex has the best troops and why? I like the necrons troops a lot. Especially the immortals.

To hear it told, Codex Space Wolves have the best Troop Choice (Grey Hunters) because of how ridiculously effective and efficient that they are for their points cost.

I'd say IG veterans.
3 special weapons at BS 4 and a transport for dirt cheap.

Hello, ORK BOYZ.

Akroma06 wrote:I'd say IG veterans.
3 special weapons at BS 4 and a transport for dirt cheap.

agreed

ravenousork25 wrote:Hello, ORK BOYZ.

This, Imperial Guard and Space Wolves. While Purifiers and Paladins are good, they're not as spammable.

Yeah don't forget da orks.

I'll offer Dire Avengers

Cost is debatable but purely from troop choices I like CSM.

Effective plain jane CSM - upto 20 - higher morale and +1 attack vs standard marines. Interesting options of +1 T, +1 A, +1 I, 5++ saves or rerollable morale.

Very buff units - at a cost- but still troops so they can control objectives. Khorne Berzerkers and/or Plague Marines.

Castiel wrote:I'll offer Dire Avengers

Really? I never got great use out of them. From Eldar, I'd say gobs of storm guardians w/ a warlock with that +1WS/I ability.

Codex-wise, definitely IG. They get veterans, power blobs, and PCS.

I think the best troop unit in the game is a unit of Grey Hunters. They have access to a meltagun, mark of the wulfen, a banner, a power weapon/power fist, and they can be lead by a wolf guard.

Then I think you have another tier of good options just below those two: Blood Angel Assault squads, DE Warriors, Plague Marines, etc.

Ork Boyz are cool...but too easy to kill. I've never had a problem taking out large mobs other than playing as Necrons with the old codex.

Castiel wrote:I'll offer Dire Avengers

Dire Avengers are, sadly, overcosted by a point or two (as is almost everything in Eldar).

The only real contenders are Grey Hunters, Ork Boyz, and IG Veterans. My money is on Grey Hunters, but the others are pretty close.

I'm a SM player but I have to say Ork boys. A unit of 30 for about the same cost as a BA assault squad?

By codex itself, I see it as;
Vanilla Marines: Tac Squads - free upgrades, cheap combi-weapon slot, combat squads, cheap transport options.
DA's: Deathwing Termies - can mix tactical + assault options, but you need to take Belial to get them.
Templars: ummm... No actual choice here so they don't count!
BA's: Assault Squads - cheap, can take meltaguns + inferno pistol per squad, cheap 'Fast' transport options at a discount!!!
SW's: Grey Hunters - cheap total package that combines the best of all roles into one, cheap transport options.
GK's: Strike Squads (yes really!) - cheap for knights, warp quake is broken, especially when rules lawyers get involved...
DE: Don't know 'em too well honestly, I really think both choices are equally viable?!
Eldar: Jetbikes. cheap, MEQ stats and can easily size/contest objectives within 1 turn.
Necrons: Immortals seem on paper the better choice, but I feel Warriors are just as good for gaining access to Ghost Arks which can act as mobile platforms for the crypteks w/S8 guns?!
Tyranids: 'Stealers I guess?! Don't know much about bugs to be honest.
Tau: Fire Warriors!!! Well, you are forced to include them still, right?!
Chaos Marines: Plauge Marines. Not exactly cheap, but T5/3+/FnP, can min/max 2x special weapons, cheap transports, defensive grenades for laughs.
Daemons: Plaguebearers for objective holding, Horrors for bolt-spamming. Both are pretty mandetory nowadays!

There are some really good ones that share the spotlight. You could fill up your entire troop selection with these and be happy.
1) Grey Hunters
2) IG Vets
3) Ork boyz

Honestly... Tyranids. Everything rocks, except for Ripper Swarms. Grey Hunters are good as well, but I see the question as "which army has the best Troops Choices not just individual units". In which case, SoB are probably the bottom rung.

Imperial Guard, Infantry Platoons and Veteran Squads.

Platoons for sheer amount of models per foc, its quite amusing when my oppounet sees me place 60+ models down as my dow deployment.

Vets for the versitility and sheer killy power. Plus their dirt cheap.

What about sanguinary guard when taken with Dante, or is that pushing the rules too much?

I still think the Ork Codex has among the best troops.

There's Ork Boyz, who are just plain awesome. There's Grots, for when you need to hold objectives for cheap. There's Warbikers, if you need to be swift and then there's the various versions of Nobz, for when stuff needs to die.

I would go with IG. I have only used IG and SM myself, and, IG has such a variety of troop choices. You have the infantry platoon/squad (with alot of different choices in there), the Veterans, and the Penal legion squad. Cost is good for each unit too. Just started orks, and well, bo yz are just so numerous that it is fun.

Since it is which CODEX I will say Eldar.

Jetbikes for super fast scoring units.

Pathfinders for a 2+ cover save objective holders.

Guardians for cheap and plentiful bodies.

Dire Avengers for torrents of fire, and combat tar-pits

Wraithguard for a super durable fearless scoring unit.

I have to claim the BT crusader squad. 15 marines with BP+CCW's leaping out of a LRC into combat does nasty things to a lot of troops.

close range = 26-28 bolter rounds with an melta gun as well + Assault cannon = approx. 4.66 wounds (after saves) shooting against MEQ. Assault afterwards = 6.375 wounds

recieving 1.05-1.16 wounds in return fom a tactical squad equivalent

I'm kind of surprised at IG vets being so praised. They have serious liabilities to them, and aren't even the best troops choice in their codex, much less the game.

I'd say the best three troops choices (in no particular order), are...

- grey knight squads. Either regular knights or terminators. The amount of force concentration you can slather on these guys is intense. You can spend points on them to the point where they can take down deathstar units, while still being small enough to fit in a land raider or a rhino.

- imperial guard infantry platoons. You're talking about a unit that can include up to 55 guys, up to 10 dudes with power weapons, up to 5 heavy weapons, and 5 special weapons (and plasma pistols if you like), all with stubborn and rerollable Ld9. There is nothing a blob can't beat if you put enough points into it. Even at lower points, say 185 points for a 2-melta, 21-man power blob, they cause a shocking range of units to just bounce off them.

- chaos space marine squads. There are lots of really good troops choices in the CSM codex, but I'm going to have to go with the basics. You can take a 20-man squad with 20 boltguns, AND 20 bolt pistols/CCS, along with the special and heavy weapons, and hidden power fist. This is pretty good on its own, but then you add to it the icons. If you want, you can take this monster squad and just pass out a 5++ save to everyone, or to make it a 20-man marine squad where everyone is T5, or make it so that they almost always strike first in close combat, or become THREE TIMES better than tac squads in assault after the charge. There is just so much you can do with them that you can easily make an entire CSM army with nothing but a compulsory HQ choice and a ton of regular CSM squads. The only reason I don't take them myself is because I love me my berzerkers so much.

There are other decent troops choices, like guard vets and ork boyz and up-kitted avengers, but they all have at least one key weakness that is easy to exploit if you know what you're doing. To me, the above three are what really shine.

spiralingcadaver wrote:

Castiel wrote:I'll offer Dire Avengers

Really? I never got great use out of them. From Eldar, I'd say gobs of storm guardians w/ a warlock with that +1WS/I ability.

I find them great. They could do with being a couple of points lower, but they are worth their weight in gold IMHO. I had some beat a unit of DE Wyches the other day for only 4 casualties in reply.

Having said that though, completely forgot about jetbikes. They are amazing troops choices.

Fire Warriors

It's CSM.

They can be in mobs up to 20, they have 2 attacks base, can take 2 special weapons just like anyone else, their champ can take the standard power weapon and fist.

Whats more, they can be highly customized.

Want them all to have toughness 5? Done.
What about +1 more attack each? Sure.
What about +1 intitative? Easy.
Fancy them all having a 5+ invun? It's yours.
Re-roll all moral/leadership checks? All day long.

Whats more, they are the same price as grey hunters.

Hard to argue with Grey Hunters...a lot of special abilities and capabilities for 15 points each.

Grey Knight Strike Squads are a little pricey, but they too get an awful lot for their price.

IG platoons and vets are both solid.

I'm not a huge fan of orks, but I do think grots are very underrated. They are a cheap, effective way to hold your near objectives while freeing up points to buy more killy-stuff to move forward.

Kroot are pretty impressive, too, for the price.

Chaos marines are tough for me to judge. I find the chaos codex so weak, overall, that I have a tough time viewing regular CSM objectively. In general, though, they seem to fall short of Grey Hunters...the lack of ATSKNF is huge.

I would say IG or Ork Boyz

juraigamer wrote:It's CSM.

They can be in mobs up to 20, they have 2 attacks base, can take 2 special weapons just like anyone else, their champ can take the standard power weapon and fist.

Whats more, they can be highly customized.

Want them all to have toughness 5? Done.
What about +1 more attack each? Sure.
What about +1 intitative? Easy.
Fancy them all having a 5+ invun? It's yours.
Re-roll all moral/leadership checks? All day long.

Whats more, they are the same price as grey hunters.

They have 1 attack base, not 2. They have to pay more for the 1st special weapon upgrade, and Blood Claws get the 2nd special weapon upgrade for free. They also lack ATSKNF (a HUGE bonus), Combat Squads, and Counter Attack.

The Icons (although expensive) are a big boost. But, they don't close the gap, IMO.

ironicsilence wrote:

Akroma06 wrote:I'd say IG veterans.
3 special weapons at BS 4 and a transport for dirt cheap.

agreed

Agreed more-so.