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In your opinion, what is the most reliable anti-armor tactic, weapon, ability, or combination thereof in the entire game? Which set-up has the highest success rate throughout all codexes?

Put several meltaguns in a transport + send them up close = dead tank.

Statistically, no longer-ranged weapon comes anywhere near melta weapons in tank killing ability.

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The transport can be a drop pod, a rhino, a wave serpent, a chimera--doesn't really matter. Or for a few things like chaos terminators, speeders and IG stormtroopers can deepstrike without a transport and shoot melta the turn they arrive.

when you say anti-armour what do you mean?

i.e. there is a massive difference between anti AV 10 (anti transport) and anti AV 14 (anti land raider/leman russ).

anti transport it has to be the grey knight psydreads. TL S8 is very good.

anti heavy means lots of melta ( in general) so for me would be imperial guard for the 4melta command squads and 3 melta vet squads.

vindicare，turbo-penertrator

Logan Grimnar+Droppod+8 combimeltas w. Tankhunter. FTW

A blob of scarabs - affordable, effective, okay even at tarpitting infantry.

apple1988218 wrote:vindicare，turbo-penertrator

Welp, to be honest here what the vindicare shoots at, tends to die so aye.

Other than that, least in my armies I find the most reliable forms of anti tank-

Chaos Space Marines- 5 outflanking chosen with 5 meltas in a rhino, hell throw on a combi melta on the rhino juuuuust to be sure Oblits are okay, but lack the sheer number of fire, plus the chosen can take pot shots from the rhino hatch!

Chaos Daemons- Fiends, Daemon princes and most efficent of all are herald of Tzneetchs, chariot, Mastery of sorcery, we are legion. 5 EW wounds on a 4++ jetbike which can shoot at different targets and comes to a close total of 105 when equipped fully. Its just damn hard to beat them!

Necrons- An interesting thing, I suppose Scarabs get a mention, but 90% of my kills come from war scythes. No matter on a CCB, a lord walking up or Obryan himself, whenever I have had a warscythe connect, the tank goes down.

Flavius Infernus wrote:Put several meltaguns in a transport + send them up close = dead tank.

Statistically, no longer-ranged weapon comes anywhere near melta weapons in tank killing ability.

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Arco-flagellents + Might of Titan and Hammerhand

1) Each model gets 5 attacks at S7 with 2D6 armor penetration

2) You can multi-assault tanks, so in one round you will be able to kill several vehicles.

3) If the tanks were still you auto hit, but even if you are hitting on a 6+, you have enough attacks.

4) You always hit rear armor (minus walkers), which is 10 for almost every tank in the game



Down sides

1) You need to assault the tanks, this generally requires an assault vehicle

2) You will cause several explosions, possible hurting yourself severely

3) Against transports,generally you want to shoot the tank, then assault the passengers

guided fire dragons come to mind as fairly reliable anti-tank (i.e. more meltas!)

vulcan and melta and or thunder hammer also comes to mind.

If you're talking apoc, I always liked the shadow sword. Them titan volcano cannons are pretty snazzy too.

Veteran squad with 3 melta and 1 demo charge serg in vendetta or fire dragons with tank hunter and guide in falcon or ws

Yep. It's all about the meltagun. It's not just the 2d6 and ap1. It's also that if you're close enough to shoot one of these, you're probably close enough to deprive your opponent of a cover save.

Stastically, by far the biggest factor in killing a tank is keeping it out of cover. It's wayyy harder to kill a rhino in cover than a land raider out of cover.

For my SoB it's the basic humble sister with a Meltagun, and with the WD codex 2-melta dominion squads in Immolators with Twin-Linked Multimeltas.

Melta/Multimelta all the way for my Blood Angels posse too.

For my Orks it's the Warboss with Powerklaw, but then orks are different. He's my number one Landraider killer among all my armies and units - although it's a bit skewed as people rarely take LRs against anything but my orks.

When you write the word "reliable", a lot of question seems to come to mind:
- Reliable as in "from the game begins and till the tank is dealt with"?
- Reliable as in "from when they open fire upon the tank"?
- Reliable as in "with the proper support/synergy"?
- Reliable as in "most cost efficient"?

Generally, the most reliable choice is Melta's, I believe. Which type/number is the real question.
- But 5 FD's in a Wave Serpent at 180 pts seems like a pretty good bargain, IMO.

IG Vendaetta Squadron.

Billinator wrote:When you write the word "reliable", a lot of question seems to come to mind:
- Reliable as in "from the game begins and till the tank is dealt with"?
- Reliable as in "from when they open fire upon the tank"?
- Reliable as in "with the proper support/synergy"?
- Reliable as in "most cost efficient"?

Generally, the most reliable choice is Melta's, I believe. Which type/number is the real question.
- But 5 FD's in a Wave Serpent at 180 pts seems like a pretty good bargain, IMO.

This is a question that I think no one else considered! By "reliable" I basically mean the following:

It takes the fewest dice at the longest range and/or has the best combination of "special abilities" that increase ease of use. Essentially, which option cuts down on variables the most?

When you add something from your codex to your army roster with the express purpose of handling high armor values, a certain amount of math takes place where you try to figure out whether or not this addition has a statistically good chance of popping armor. If, say, you determine that 1 entry (a model with a missile launcher or something) has a 25% chance of popping armor, you'll want to add 4 of them if you want to be sure to succeed. This makes an entry with a 50% chance to be more reliable (as per my definition above) because it takes less dice. If there is a third entry that is 50% but ALSO has, say, a longer range, then this is even MORE reliable, because the chance that this model will be out of range is lower. If a fourth entry has 50%, equal range, plus relentless, then this is even MORE reliable because if it IS out of range, it can just move into range (if the weapon is a heavy weapon). Basically, "reliable" means that it works the most often, and this usually means cutting down on how many dice are required to be rolled before you score a success (which is why, to my understanding, zoanthropes are considered not so reliable because not only do you need to roll to hit and penetrate, but you also need to roll the psychic test).

So, I'm looking for the model/models/combination from any codex that can be relied upon to pop armor with the fewest dice in the earliest turn possible and regardless of as many other disrupting factors (cover saves, range limits, not relentless, etc) as can be ignored based upon the abilities of the models. Points are irrelevant - if there is a 900-point model that allows you to pick up one die and pop any armor on the board on a 2+ from turn 1, I would consider that to be extremely reliable.

I have two elections.

Necrons: scarabs. 10 a4 w3 bases come in at 150pts. Bargain. plus if the tank survives there is a high probability that a warrior will penetrate the lowered AV.

Tau: Broardsides. 3 w3 bs4 guys with TL S10 AP1 72" weapons that can each take a markerlight drone and a shield drone for a 4++ and negating coversaves. It comes in at roughly the cost of the two land raiders you brought them to pop. (IIRC)

Quad melta CCS is the best single unit. Not only does it have 4 meltas, but the squad can give orders to it's self to twin link the meltas or force the vehicle to reroll cover saves. Works great against anything from a land raider to a fast scimmer with a 4+ cover save.

Broadsides /w pathfinder backup.

Melta is great and all, but you still have to get them in range of the target. In most cases, that means either a Deep-striking unit (which comes in when it wants rather than when you specify in most cases, and can scatter badly) or transporting the unit (which the transport can easilly be stunned/disabled/destroyed).

Wolf Scouts + Melta Bombs + Meltagun + Wolf Guard with Fist & CombiMelta.

Especially deadly if I roll a 3+ and deploy them from any board edge.

Tangent wrote:

Billinator wrote:When you write the word "reliable", a lot of question seems to come to mind:
- Reliable as in "from the game begins and till the tank is dealt with"?
- Reliable as in "from when they open fire upon the tank"?
- Reliable as in "with the proper support/synergy"?
- Reliable as in "most cost efficient"?

Generally, the most reliable choice is Melta's, I believe. Which type/number is the real question.
- But 5 FD's in a Wave Serpent at 180 pts seems like a pretty good bargain, IMO.

This is a question that I think no one else considered! By "reliable" I basically mean the following:

It takes the fewest dice at the longest range and/or has the best combination of "special abilities" that increase ease of use. Essentially, which option cuts down on variables the most?

Transported. Melta.

In my experience, Melta will do the job the most reliably. It's all about maneuvering/deepstriking into range.
I'm not advocating nothing but melta, or saying its the best etc. But It is IME the most reliable way to blow up a vehicle. But if we narrowed the question down to say "whats the most reliable Anti-armor vs AV10/11?" I would say something more like Autocannons.

Depends what your shooting really.
But as a nid player:

Low AV - hive guard.
High AV - Trygon / flyrant.


However, for a normal ish summary, melta wins out on high av while i value assault and autocannons for lower AV.

My most reliable anti tank has been my psycanons. lol Vindicare mostly just spooks people. lol

Probably Reaver Jet Bikes with heat lances. At melta range. Because that is just silly.

Best anti-armor in the game: Commander Dante with honor guard, He and his squad can arrive from deepstrike with NO SCATTER at all . equip the honor guard with (4) meltas + Dante's Inferno pistol = instant pile of molten slag to any unit on the table.

I would say the cheaper the better so the unit of 10 scarabs is looking pretty good.

for chaos, if the enemy has tanks then bring bigger tanks IE: land raider which also acts as a heavy transport making it a must have in csm armies, also you could spam havocs or csm with meltas or even obliterators which pretty much rape tanks if played correctly

So, I'm no longer as big of a fan of melta as I once was. The problem with melta is precisely that they're unreliable. Not because the guns are, but because the carriers are. If you have a 4x melta CCS in a chimera and your opponent is threatened by that, it's not going to be very difficult to break open the chimera and destroy the squad inside. Meltaguns are just so short ranged that your opponent can always kill the carriers before they get a chance to get a solid shot off. Thus they're unreliable, thus I take many fewer than I used to.

Of course, if you have a way of reliably getting the meltas into range, like combi-melta sternguard in a drop pod, then that's fine, but otherwise it's too unreliable to be anything but a defensive weapon.

In any case, my vote goes for broadside squads with shield drones. They get 3 twin-linked S10 Ap1 weapons on a carrier that's filled with multi-wound models with a 2+ save that also has shield drones for wound wrapping shenannigans and to dish out invul saves. Plus, they also have options, like being able to give up stuff to be able to take relentless. They're super difficult to take completely down by the end of turn two (especially if your opponent brings several squads), which means that Tau win the first turn long-range slugfest, at least if you have any vehicles in your army.

I agree Ailaros.

My friend would typically have only 2-3 units with meltas in his guard army, but by god it made drop podding dreadnoughts on him tough. With a 12" move+disembark+firing range, the chimera melta "bubbles" of death are not cool to drop vehicles on.

Its a funny thing, although melta is so reliable, the range makes it in many ways not as reliable via limiting its targeting options.

meltas are dangerous but if played correctly can be a pain in the butt for you opponent also i forgot to mention las canons are good anti- armor weapons as well