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Well! we need to discuss Infantry units in 40k games that can be as powerful as Superheavy vehicles like Baneblade, Land Raider, or Imperator Titan and here's the examples of Infantry that needs as strong as Superheavy Vehicles: anyone with Kryptonian-like Superpowers should as powerful as Imperator Titan when they are put into 40k Tabletop games

what do you think?

you can suggests more examples!

No, we really don't need to discuss infantry units as powerful as gargantuan creatures and super heavy vehicles.

The closest thing to that would be the Primarchs, and the Emperor. Proposed rules for these characters already exist in various forms across the internet. Other than that, if you want a super heavy vehicle, just use a super heavy vehicle.

An Infantry model that's as powerful as a superheavy vehicle?
No...
That would be stupid...

There's already the Vortex Grenade. Anything infantry-sized that isn't an immensely powerful Psyker shouldn't be anywhere near the powerlevel of a Titan.

And as many will tell you, Draigo doesn't need any boosts.

Maybe not entirly infantry, but C'tan where supposed to not be much larger than an ordinary human if wanting that shape. They could be regarded as the most powerful infantry for they are well... beyond the charts. True C'tan would be a little bit, like this =

WS 10
BS 10
S 10
T 10
W 10
I 2D6 (result 11 and 12 count as 10)(They can take it at any pace they want.)
A 10
Ld --
Sv 2+ inv, with a re-roll on any failed result.

Powers = You are allowed to invent them on the spot.

They hate the warp: Any psyker units on the field will be main targets, C'tan have preffered enemy versus these units.

they cost = 20000p

Imperial Fusiliers-
20-40 at 20 points each.
BS 4 WS 3 S 3 T 3 I 3 A 1 W 1 Ld 9 Sv 5+
Equipment: Lasguns
Special Rules: Fire lasguns as Heavy 8.

If you want to have fun making up funny rules, thats fine.

If you actually want to play with those rules, totally unbalanced. even for appocalypse.



A true power C'tan for use in game would be more along these lines.

C'tan: 1500 points

WS7, BS6, Str6(8), T8, W8, I5, A5, Ld10, Save 3+/4++

Unit Type: Variable, see below(character)

Special Rules: Fearless, Preferred Enemy(Psykers),

Necrodermis: The Necrodermis each C'tan is encased in allows them to mold their shape to fit their whims. At the beginning of each turn, you may choose to have the C'tan alter his physical form.

The C'tan may change his unit type to any of the following, replace the C'tan model with an appropriatly sized model. The C'tan benifits from all rules related to the specified Unit Type while in that form in addition to the following rules.

Infantry: If this form is chosen the C'tan gains the Independent Character special rule as long as he remains in this form.

Monstrous Creature: The C'tan gains +2 Str while in this form.

Beast: The C'tan gains +2A and the Independent Character special rule while in this form.


Immune to Natural Law: C'tan are complete masters of the physical universe. C'tan have the Deep Strike special rule, ignore all terrain penelties, and may even move through Impassable terrain, although they may not end their move inside impassable terrain.


C'tan Powers: The C'tan may purchase up to 4 powers from the list in the Necron Codex.

C'tan would be Old Nightbringer and Deciever.

another Infantry units that needs to have powerlevel on par with Titan: anyone with Kryptonian-like Powers(such as DC Comics' Superman) should be Infantry-sized version of Imperator Titan when we put those characters into 40k tabletop game


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Deadshot wrote:C'tan would be Old Nightbringer and Deciever.

Old C'tan > New C'tan

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Deadshot wrote:C'tan would be Old Nightbringer and Deciever.

Old C'tan > New C'tan

RutgerMan wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:

Deadshot wrote:C'tan would be Old Nightbringer and Deciever.

Old C'tan > New C'tan

Yeah Old C'tan now should equal the new C'tan, they were WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY underpowered for what a C'tan should be.

Perhaps, but old Ctan shouldn't have been on the tabletop at all, the only reason they were on there was because the necrons had no special characters.

Buttons wrote:

RutgerMan wrote:Automatically Appended Next Post:

Deadshot wrote:C'tan would be Old Nightbringer and Deciever.

Old C'tan > New C'tan

Yeah Old C'tan now should equal the new C'tan, they were WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY underpowered for what a C'tan should be.

Perhaps, but old Ctan shouldn't have been on the tabletop at all, the only reason they were on there was because the necrons had no special characters.

the only good thing about 5th edition necrons is: their special characters, so they don't need C'Tan anymore on the tabletop

...C'tan were always a massive point sink that made it easier to get the Necron player to Phase Out, you know. The cheaper ones in the new Codex actually have some semblance of being useful.

And I don't see the point of this thread. Infantry models represent people; people in the Warhammer 40k universe aren't as powerful as tanks, let alone super-heavy tanks. The Emperor? Remember the time he nearly got strangled to death by a puny WS5 Ork Warboss and Horus had to come save his ass? Horus? The Emperor killed him, remember? The Avatar? Didn't Marneus Calgar beat one in single combat once? Phoenix Lords? I do recall Karandras going down in hand-to-hand against a mere Space Marine Dreadnaught in one of the novels. The C'tan? Their puny mortal servants managed to defeat them, and you expect them to be able to handle super-heavy tanks on their own?

Point being, a man is not the equal of a super-heavy tank under any circumstances. A man can kill a super-heavy tank (especially if he has a thunderhammer and/or void grenades) if he has the advantage of surprise and weapons specifically designed for cracking key systems, but he's not going to be able to take it on in a straight-up one-on-one fight.

The only time I recall a man-sized creature standing up to a super-heavy and not dying in the background is probably the incident where Eisenhorn sicced Cherubael on a Chaos Warhound Titan. If you really want to come up with rules for a particularly powerful unbound Daemonhost, try taking one of the Gargantuan Creature Daemons out of Imperial Armor (Scabiethrax, Zarakniyel, An'ggrath) as a guideline for stats/power level. And specify that they can only be taken by Chaos, giving Grey Knights that kind of Apocalypse-level killing power is entirely unnecessary.

But there is also a Phoenix Lord that has soloed an entire Tyranid fleet so... just saying...

AnomanderRake wrote:...C'tan were always a massive point sink that made it easier to get the Necron player to Phase Out, you know. The cheaper ones in the new Codex actually have some semblance of being useful.

And I don't see the point of this thread. Infantry models represent people; people in the Warhammer 40k universe aren't as powerful as tanks, let alone super-heavy tanks. The Emperor? Remember the time he nearly got strangled to death by a puny WS5 Ork Warboss and Horus had to come save his ass? Horus? The Emperor killed him, remember? The Avatar? Didn't Marneus Calgar beat one in single combat once? Phoenix Lords? I do recall Karandras going down in hand-to-hand against a mere Space Marine Dreadnaught in one of the novels. The C'tan? Their puny mortal servants managed to defeat them, and you expect them to be able to handle super-heavy tanks on their own?

Point being, a man is not the equal of a super-heavy tank under any circumstances. A man can kill a super-heavy tank (especially if he has a thunderhammer and/or void grenades) if he has the advantage of surprise and weapons specifically designed for cracking key systems, but he's not going to be able to take it on in a straight-up one-on-one fight.

The only time I recall a man-sized creature standing up to a super-heavy and not dying in the background is probably the incident where Eisenhorn sicced Cherubael on a Chaos Warhound Titan. If you really want to come up with rules for a particularly powerful unbound Daemonhost, try taking one of the Gargantuan Creature Daemons out of Imperial Armor (Scabiethrax, Zarakniyel, An'ggrath) as a guideline for stats/power level. And specify that they can only be taken by Chaos, giving Grey Knights that kind of Apocalypse-level killing power is entirely unnecessary.

Well! this thread is about people that needs to be as powerful as Tanks, let alone superheavies and here's the examples: Superman(or anyone with Kryptonian-like Superpowers) should be as powerful as Imperator Titan when we put them into 40k tabletop games(and it's conversions)

Masonicon wrote:
Well! this thread is about people that needs to be as powerful as Tanks, let alone superheavies and here's the examples: Superman(or anyone with Kryptonian-like Superpowers) should be as powerful as Imperator Titan when we put them into 40k tabletop games(and it's conversions)

This is the problem we have...
IMO for game balance nothing on an infantry base should be as powerful as a super-heavy...

Masonicon wrote:
Well! this thread is about people that needs to be as powerful as Tanks, let alone superheavies and here's the examples: Superman(or anyone with Kryptonian-like Superpowers) should be as powerful as Imperator Titan when we put them into 40k tabletop games(and it's conversions)

You keep saying that. We have characters, we have tanks, and we have superheavies. Powerful characters have powerful stats, and powerful tanks are just that.

And stop with the superman thing/Imperator titan thing. Its just...silly. Please, stop posting these silly threads about rules that aren't rules or even remotely serious ideas that can be improved upon. Spend some time reading some of the well done fan-dexes and rules created by regular members here. Learn from those threads about game balance.

There are a few characters that can or could solo a superheavy a smaller one at least. There should be no character that can solo something the size of a CITY that can walk and has more fire power then a Full Army of soldiers. There are descriptions in the books of Guard companies killing emperor titans by shooting them with a whole artillery regiment for more then a day.

Marbo took out that stomper on his own, or so they claim.

Bobthehero wrote:Marbo took out that stomper on his own, or so they claim.

Well, he is an infiltration expert. He probably just snuck in there an planted a nuke in the cockpit.
Vastly different to "Hurr I'm Sooperman, with T10 S10 and a 2+ invul derp!"

Really, this is just ridiculous, like most of the flame bait rule sets you try to put out.

Why is this thread not dead yet?

why dont you just look at a vindicare
or scarabs technically there are no rules against you using them or whats his face that takes over machines he can kill it

Let's see.

First off, that one Space Marine that's worth, like, 500 points. The one with the sword. He cuisinarted my Stompa by himself, once.


Secondly- this is UNITs, right?

Green Tide. 100+ Boyz, Nobs and Warbosses. Fearless, powerful, and utterly unstoppable. It eats Baneblades for lunch.

WAAAAAAAGHH!!!!

c'tans, primarchs +emperor, and high level daemons can all be just as powerful as superheavies in the fluff at least. And supposedly folks can infiltrate/fight their way inside a titan and plant meltabombs in the knee... it's like luke skywalker.

Anvildude wrote:
Green Tide. 100+ Boyz, Nobs and Warbosses. Fearless, powerful, and utterly unstoppable. It eats Baneblades for lunch.

WAAAAAAAGHH!!!!

Meet the stormlord.

Bobthehero wrote:

Anvildude wrote:
Green Tide. 100+ Boyz, Nobs and Warbosses. Fearless, powerful, and utterly unstoppable. It eats Baneblades for lunch.

WAAAAAAAGHH!!!!

Meet the stormlord.

D6 hits on a 6+ aint gonna do much to 1 unit, not gonna lie.

You don't need a single character to be as powerful as a titan.. but they should make infantry cheaper in Apoc games.. more meat for the meat grinder!