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Given the quantity of wargear across all codices, it's no surprise that for every combat-breaking item out there (looking at you, Psychostroke Grenades), there are many, many not worth their points or so narrow in utility you might as well not chance it and just spam more melta.

However, many of those come from legitimately cool ideas, badly implemented. So he's a chance to pick a weapon you don't field but would like to, and bring it up to the barest minimum of efficacy.

-Heavy Bolter: After all the PC games, I think we can all agree that the heavy bolter is pretty mean. Marines use it on the move, mowing down hordes and heavies at will, firing until it runs dry. Sadly the tabletop version is a disappointment; it has only 1 extra shot over the regular bolter, at the cost of immobility. It has good range, but that's really all you can say about it. S5 is not bad but will not scare vehicles or the biggest MCs away, and AP 4 may as well be the most pointless AP category since it's just enough to be made moot by any sort of cover. It's a weapon that makes no sense if not on a vehicle, and in that case there are often better picks.

Suggested change: S5, AP 4, Assault2/Heavy5. Giving it a higher S would overlap roles with the assault cannon, and AP3 is a bit too strong. Like this, it as least gives you a bit of heavier fire on the move, and the equivalent of an extra 2 guys' worth of fire if you stay put.

-Reaper Autocannon: Not necessarily bad. Twin-linked S7 fire has its place against lighter vehicles. However, it's too steep a buck for its bang.

Suggested change: S7, AP 4, Heavy 2, Twin-linked, Ignores Cover. Incorporating the rules for the cover-ignoring Sternguard round would give it some fun applications, especially against orks. Should that prove too powerful, making it Heavy 3 may also work (Or make it Heavy 4 at the expense of being Twin-linked).

-Plasma Pistol: Very cool in practice, but again, hampered by its cost vs. use ratio. its range and the available units that can pick it usually means the model will be in assault often, meaning it will not get fired. Most cases, you'll be lucky to pull off 2 shots per game, with a non-trivial chance of cooking the very model you paid so much for as to carry one of these.

Suggested changes: This one is tough. Cutting the cost by 1/3rd may be the easiest way out, but there is also the option of going all-out on making it an assault weapon: S7 AP 2 Assault2, with a 6" range and Gets Hot!. Alternatively, nerfing it a little bit in exchange for safety and rate of fire: S5 AP2 Assault 2, with the usual 12" range.

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Shuriken Catapult - Range 18"
Avenger Catapult - Range 24"

I have just fixed half* of the Eldar codex.




*Wild over-exaggeration.

Sniper Rifle: A lot of flak has been tossed around by this, but I think that 60" range, wounds on 3+, rending, pinning. Unsaved wounds impose a -1 ld penalty to the pinning. A 5 point increase in cost (10 points per model) makes this something of use.

Lascannon - line weapon. srsly.

Pulse Carbine - Grenade Launcher. Pulse Rifle - Assault 1, 15" doubletap. (not really subpar, but in context they're unfitting)

Chainswords - Reroll 1's.

Mortars: add Krak rounds, theyre str 7 ap 4, use small blast template but only targets in the center hole are hit.

Hotshot lasguns: Give them standard lasgun range, allow sarges, vets, and special weapon squads able to take them as an upgrade.

I'd say just have Mortars scatter D6" rather than 2D6"; factoring in Guardsman BS means the most it can scatter is 3", making it a lot more accurate.

For firing without LoS, it'd simply scatter the entire D6 (still making it decently accurate) and in Night Fighting it'd only scatter 2D6" instead of 3D6".

Tau
Pulse Rifle: Str 5 ap5, Range 30" Rapid fire range 15"

Markerlight: Missile, the missile auto hits (seriously at bs freakin 3, having to hit with a markerlight, then hit with a missile is STUPID!!!)

Eldar:
Shurikan catapult Assault 2 18"
Avenger catapult assault 2 24"
Star cannon Str 5 ap 2 heavy 2 (5-10 point price reduction)

Missile is fired at BS5 I believe.

It is, yes.

As for the Starcannon, making it S5 solves nothing. Either give it an extra shot (for 25-35pts depending on what you tack it onto, i'd say it's fair enough) or make it S7 (for all the advanced technology, they still haven't been able to combine power and stability? I don't believe that for a second).

chrisrawr wrote:Sniper Rifle: A lot of flak has been tossed around by this, but I think that 60" range, wounds on 3+, rending, pinning. Unsaved wounds impose a -1 ld penalty to the pinning. A 5 point increase in cost (10 points per model) makes this something of use.

Lascannon - line weapon. srsly.

Pulse Carbine - Grenade Launcher. Pulse Rifle - Assault 1, 15" doubletap. (not really subpar, but in context they're unfitting)

Chainswords - Reroll 1's.

I miss the Hits on 2s / Wounds on 4 Sniper Rifles from the previous edition. :(

I wish that Heavy Bolters where as crazy as the OP mentioned.

Ork Kistom Mega Blasta: meant to kill terminators, vastly more likely to kill wielded due to Gets Hot! special rule. There must be some way to fix it?

Shuriken Catapult...range 18

Avenger Shuriken Catapult...range 24

Shuriken Cannon....range 24 strength 7, ap 4, assult 3

Distortion Cannon...range 24, wounds on 2+, Instant Death on 6+, vehicles glanced on 3-4, penetrated on 5-6, ignores cover (because as a hole is opened in the warp, the cover would be sucked in just like the guy you pointed the weapon at...there should be no cover save from these things)

Lasblaster...Range 24, Strength 3, AP 5, Rending

The computer game version should have been as lame as its tabletop cousin. Then no-one would be crapping on about "why isn't it as good as it is in WoDoW (I refer to ALL of these games as "World of Dawn of War").

The ENTIRE game should go back to its second ed roots. When guns meant something.

Pyrovore....

AP3 S6

I don't think you should be able to assault with a Heavy Bolter if you fire it, but I don't think it should stop you from moving at all. Some version of Rapid Fire perhaps?

I always liked the fluff behind the "If Ogryns are close enough, they auto hit with their gatling shotguns" but it's not really usable in the game.

If Ogryns could ID T4 on the charge, that would be pretty stellar. Maybe Ripper Guns giving them +2 Str? Although that would make them S7 normally with S8 on the charge... maybe not.

DoW

chromedog wrote:The computer game version should have been as lame as its tabletop cousin. Then no-one would be crapping on about "why isn't it as good as it is in WoDoW (I refer to ALL of these games as "World of Dawn of War").

The ENTIRE game should go back to its second ed roots. When guns meant something.

Computer games have to be balanced more sharply due to being tested by the public so much more intensely that tabletop versions. While someone may take weeks to get disappointed with an army or build on TT, the average gamer will try an upgrade once in PVP, decide it's crap, and never touch it again. "Huh, all CSM upgrades are bunk. This army is bunk. I'm clicking over and trying the Imperial Guard.". At zero extra monetary cost.

Also, saying that guns are meaningless in the metagame rules by meltaguns, autocannons, psycannons and splinter weaponry is a bit of a stretch. I think it can be said that (especially given the level of mech), CC may decide battles a lot of the time, but guns say when and if the CC happens.

18" Shuriken Catapult is insufficient in a world where 7 point Henchmen with Storm Bolters exist.

The OP was only to rework an underwhelming weapon, else i'd have Guardians costing 5-6pts each, factoring in their guardsman statline, albeit with 1 better I, but also the loss of 6" of range on their weaponry.

Heavy bolter - rapid fire 4 - stationary & 4 36" shots, move and 8 12" shots.

Phototoxin wrote:Heavy bolter - rapid fire 4 - stationary & 4 36" shots, move and 8 12" shots.

I'd say Rapid Fire 3 is more balanced.

8 shots is almost 3 current Heavy Bolters and consider that my LRBT would get 12 shots at 36" and 24 at 12"!

Speaking of which, how about making the Punisher Cannon Rapid Fire? Maybe I'd start fielding one or two

DoW

LRBT would be gaking scary with those HB... helllooo 15 S5 shotsand a big PIE plate on your face.....

MEQ, orks, guards, nids, even GK, would anything be left standing ?

Lasgun - Str 9, AP 2, Range 24", Rapid Fire.

Why shouldn't a lascannon and a lasgun act the same (Seriously though, an AP 3 Angelus Boltgun with Assault 1)

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Lasgun - Str 9, AP 2, Range 24", Rapid Fire.

Why shouldn't a lascannon and a lasgun act the same?

Why shouldn't a supermarket checkout scanner and an industrial metal cutting laser act the same?

Actually that would be pretty entertaining. Let's do that!

DoW

mayfist wrote:LRBT would be gaking scary with those HB... helllooo 15 S5 shotsand a big PIE plate on your face.....

MEQ, orks, guards, nids, even GK, would anything be left standing ?

GK would be getting 5-shot paybacks with those rules...

Leman Russ Vanquisher
- Boost points by 10-20 to prevent the LRBT becoming obsolete
- Allow it to switch between standard Battle Cannon or Vanquisher rounds.

Kustom Mega Blasta
- Assault 2 instead of Assault 1.

Zzap Gun
- Bring back the auto-hit rule from 4th Ed.

Transdimentional Beamer
- Assault 1 instead of Heavy 1.

Ogryn Ripper Guns w/ optional powered bayonet, +15pts a model

Spinefists
Rg 12"Str 4, AP 6, Twinlinked Assault X (X=number of attacks on creature's profile). Spinefists grant +1 attack in Combat.

Fleshborers
Rg 12" Str 4, AP 5, Assault 1, Living Ammunition.

/thread.

Hotshots lasgung 24'' str 4 ap 3

Deadshot wrote:Spinefists
Rg 12"Str 4, AP 6, Twinlinked Assault X (X=number of attacks on creature's profile). Count as 2 CCW in CC./thread.

Tyranids don't get a boost from multiple combat weapons. Spinefists should probably +1 to attacks if you feel that way.

Bugger. Editing.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Spinefists
Rg 12"Str 4, AP 6, Twinlinked Assault X (X=number of attacks on creature's profile). Count as 2 CCW in CC./thread.

Tyranids don't get a boost from multiple combat weapons. Spinefists should probably +1 to attacks if you feel that way.

Not strictly true. Their biomorphs only apply to their already present attacks, and aren't actually weapons. If a nid actually did somehow gain 2 ccw, it would get the benefits of +1A.