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Since GW says, change the rules as you and your opponent would like to do, and since Tyranids do not have Allies, if your gaming group uses alot of Allies, would you let a Tyranid player use them? If so why, if not, why not?

Curious as to what people think.

I'll wait for nids to get updated to be OP all by themselves.

I try to stick to the rules as they are made.

Any gaming group that openly allows allies to happen needs to be clubbed in the face with an angry cat.

Kurgash wrote:Any gaming group that openly allows allies to happen needs to be clubbed in the face with an angry cat.

If we were to use that logic, we can extend it to any rule in the rulebook.

Fafnir wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Any gaming group that openly allows allies to happen needs to be clubbed in the face with an angry cat.

If we were to use that logic, we can extend it to any rule in the rulebook.

That seems difficult. How would you keep it from scratching you when you pick it up?

absolutely not, BUT if a nid player wanted to include say a few units of guard as cultists, then yep, want to include a few units of marines or eldar... no

Nids should still be getting a detachments. Waiting till friday to panick.

I'm a Nid player and I'm glad the nids don't have any allies. It's all the same biomass in the end.

Time 2 Roll wrote:I'm a Nid player and I'm glad the nids don't have any allies. It's all the same biomass in the end.

Fluffwise, sure, but gameplay wise?

You're in for a world of hurt.

As far as we know for 6th edition, Tyranids are the joke army.

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Any gaming group that openly allows allies to happen needs to be clubbed in the face with an angry cat.

If we were to use that logic, we can extend it to any rule in the rulebook.

That seems difficult. How would you keep it from scratching you when you pick it up?

You could glue it to a broom stick?

OT - I wouldn't want Tyranids having allies either, I just can't imagine it making sense and I like my games to at least pretend to have some sort of narrative. If someone could make up a story like they were manipulated with cybernetic implants or...actually...that would probably do it...dang...

I guess I would then...but I wouldn't have to like it!

Fafnir wrote:

Time 2 Roll wrote:I'm a Nid player and I'm glad the nids don't have any allies. It's all the same biomass in the end.

Fluffwise, sure, but gameplay wise?

You're in for a world of hurt.

As far as we know for 6th edition, Tyranids are the joke army.

I thought they were the Joke army for 5th.

I was reading some fluff people putting out. Some Ork Scientist or was it a Herder or what not, captured a few Tyranids and tried to domesticate them. I think that would be a fun army to play against or with. I believe I read someone elses fluff for the same exact reason but using another army besides Orks. Would be nice to use, espically if 6th edition is suppose to be Cinematic.

The humans did it in starcraft, they can do it again here. Just have a Primaris Psyker pretend to be the hive mind.

1: Genestealer Cult. Duh.

2: Tyranid Mind-Slaves have existed since 2nd Edition, at the very least. A grub that infects and controls the host. Imperial Guard would be perfect for this.

Fafnir wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Any gaming group that openly allows allies to happen needs to be clubbed in the face with an angry cat.

If we were to use that logic, we can extend it to any rule in the rulebook.

perhaps I should elaborate. I meant on league play, tournaments and such.

Yes, from their own codex.

That does mean fun like the possibility of 12 Carnifexes, though they are still just a Carnifex... So bad example there I suppose...

I would allow it, the Tyranids could have made a mind controlling leech bug thingy that infested a group of spacemrines haha

AegisGrimm wrote:1: Genestealer Cult. Duh.

2: Tyranid Mind-Slaves have existed since 2nd Edition, at the very least. A grub that infects and controls the host. Imperial Guard would be perfect for this.

Genestealer cult would suck if it was fluffy. A few squads of Genestealers and a couple of platoons spamming conscripts. Also, the closest thing to mind slaves are creatures that are controlled by cortex leeches, which "forces them to become a dribbling puppet under the sway of the Hive Mind." Dribbling puppets aren't really effective allies.

Honestly an effective genestealer cult would have to be built from the ground up to be a good and fluffy army list, something like what Forgeworld does to portray the Elysian Drop Troopers (although TBH you could make a pretty good drop troop regiment representation using the regular IG codex). I think someone on TG said it best "If the Tyranids were a good army they wouldn't care that they don't get allies, they would say 'LOL of course we don't get allies. Are you slowed?'"

Should the Tyranids get some kind of boost to compensate for the lack of allies? Yes. Should they have an army shoehorned into allies for them simply for the sake of balance? No. Besides, if all you care about is winning you should have ditched Tyranids when they got their gak codex from Cruddance.

In friendly games I would let just about anything go for the sake of fun or experiment.

The fluff based justification for Chaos Daemons to be included as allies in anything but a guard or CSM army can be used to the same effect for Tyranids. In a friendly i'd let Tyranids ally with guard, orks daemons and maybe others at the very least as desperate allies.

This is of course assumes the Tyranids are getting nothing to compensate for other army alliances. If they at the very least can ally with themselves then maybe not.

No.

Im pretty sure the reason Nids aren't getting allies is because they are the one army that won't need them.

clively wrote:No.

Im pretty sure the reason Nids aren't getting allies is because they are the one army that won't need them.

Judging by what we know so far, this is certainly not the case.

I'd be cool with it, for most of the ally possibilities.

It would, at least, not be another GK army across the field from me...again...

I think the allies rules might shake things up interestingly, even if i CAN see the possibility for some very cheesy TFG'ing with some of the combos..

lazarian wrote:The fluff based justification for Chaos Daemons to be included as allies in anything but a guard or CSM army can be used to the same effect for Tyranids. In a friendly i'd let Tyranids ally with guard, orks daemons and maybe others at the very least as desperate allies.

Fluffwise - no one, absolutely no one, wants to be on a planet when it's under a full Tyranid invasion. Tyranids don't care who or what you are. They won't communicate with you. They'll kill you, eat you, and recycle you as soon as you're in reach. Desperate allies? You wouldn't even be able to fight alongside them using them as unwitting allies to gain an objective, because fluffwise, you're surrounded by untold billions of other Tyranids. There is no fighting alongside them. They don't land on a planet and fight in little sorties like everyone else.

So no, fluffwise, there is no justification for allying with them. Chaos Daemons make bargains with anyone as long as it gets them worship, Tyranids don't. Ever. At all. Attempts to control them have been poor at best (lol Anphelion).

lazarian wrote:The humans did it in starcraft, they can do it again here. Just have a Primaris Psyker pretend to be the hive mind.

The only psycker who has been able to do anything at all regarding the hive mine has been Tigerius, and that's simply vaguely read it (and all he learned was 'they're hungry'). Use a Primaris Psyker as the Hive Mind? I thought we were arguing fluff based ways here. No, that won't work. The Primaris Psyker would, at best, go insane and die. At worst, shower his fellows with brain tissue.

Jihadnik wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Any gaming group that openly allows allies to happen needs to be clubbed in the face with an angry cat.

If we were to use that logic, we can extend it to any rule in the rulebook.

That seems difficult. How would you keep it from scratching you when you pick it up?

You could glue it to a broom stick?

OT - I wouldn't want Tyranids having allies either, I just can't imagine it making sense and I like my games to at least pretend to have some sort of narrative. If someone could make up a story like they were manipulated with cybernetic implants or...actually...that would probably do it...dang...

I guess I would then...but I wouldn't have to like it!

There's an entire storyline about this in Imperial Armour 4.

I rather they didn't. With rumours of larger FOC and far enhanced MC rules, as well as Gargantuans in reg games, Nids might actually be viable, even Nidzilla. Which is good because I run Nid Reserves/Nidzilla hybrid list. Swarmlord, Hive Tyrant with all the goodies, Lictor, Trygon, Mawloc and Carny.

Ghenghis Jon wrote:In friendly games I would let just about anything go for the sake of fun or experiment.

This is exactly how all friendly games should be played imho.

Friendly games should be exactly that. I don't agree wit people that refuse friendly and relaxed players the chance to play with whatever army they wish, after all you can learn a lot from playing against even the most overpowered armies.

Why the feth not? If Dark Eldar can get all chummy with their abject mortal enemies - the Daemons of Chaos - then why can't my Genestealers get their Bro-Fist on with Commissar Calgar?

AegisGrimm wrote:2: Tyranid Mind-Slaves have existed since 2nd Edition, at the very least. A grub that infects and controls the host. Imperial Guard would be perfect for this.

First edition, and vanished from the fluff fairly soon afterwards I'm afraid.

I even had a Gretchin Mindslave. He was "Mindy the Mindslave". He died a lot.

Good point and why are the sisters of battle working with the eldar?

Apparently they forgot they were all filthy witches?