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With the advent of blade storm I am having a hard time imagining why a monofilament ninja star can rend but a bolter shell (made to penetrate and then explode) doesn't. Could they add this into codex:SM and then FAQ it into codexA? Rending seems to be the new way to make infantry squads have more bite. Everyone is taking about codex power creep and yet at the same time I can't see how they could distinctly change codex:sm to give us anything as cool or effective as blade storm.

What do you guys think? I know it's not likely but a man can wish right?

No. They shouldn't.

Just No.

But you can dream.

Give my orks back their Choppa rule, and i'll let you have rending bolters

In short, no.

I wouldn't mind it, but on the condition that your Tactical Space Marines get reduced to toughness 3 and 4+ armour.

Only as a special ammunition upgrade if they should.

Ill stick with my inferno bolts.

Only if they go up five points in cost.

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:
With the advent of blade storm I am having a hard time imagining why a monofilament ninja star can rend but a bolter shell (made to penetrate and then explode) doesn't. Could they add this into codex:SM and then FAQ it into codexA? Rending seems to be the new way to make infantry squads have more bite. Everyone is taking about codex power creep and yet at the same time I can't see how they could distinctly change codex:sm to give us anything as cool or effective as blade storm.

What do you guys think? I know it's not likely but a man can wish right?

Sure why not, Space Marines are woefully underpowered as it is...

Yes this *is* sarcasm...

Skriker

Might make an interesting psychic power or imperial guard-like command in a future codex.

I would like to see something for chain swords (so silly they are no different than a improvised weapon, like a table leg)... like on a "6" to wound, they count as +1Str... maybe that would be nice for bolters too.

Of course, since we already have DA codex, clearly no changes for 6th edition marines in either of these aspects.

As someone who plays Space Marines, Chaos Marines, Dark Angels, and used to play Space Wolves, I feel confident in saying: No. Absolutely not. From a fluff perspective, yeah, that'd be cool, but from a game balance perspective, I don't want that on standard Marines. As something like the Deathwing Knights' Smite rule, or specialist ammo, sure.

If they do give rending, I'd prefer it to be special ammo rather than a blanket change across all bolt gun weapons. I don't want to fight against a DA BOD with rending as well.

No.

You can't infer fluff/technology into anything here - a stubber should have rending and a 1000" range - Tau pulse weapons should all be rending and shadow of the warp has a range of 12 tables in a store.

masterdoobie wrote:
Might make an interesting psychic power or imperial guard-like command in a future codex.

SoB had a faith power that did something like this in the last addition, IIRC.

And the bolter is fine as it is. Don't look too closely at the fluff vs. the tabletop, particularly with marines.

Sure, if they make the range 6 inches

When Tyranids get Living Ammunition back.

Basically, no. Shuricats get it because they're monomolecular-edged - that means that the discs can slide between the molecules in your armour to bypass it completely.

Bolter shells are fat as your fist and do not cut. The only weapons that get Rending are those that cut or are so insanely powerful that they should be light autocannons rather than heavy lasguns (like AM sniper rifles).

Yes, assault cannons count under the first category. Or have you never heard of someone being "cut in half" by a gatling gun?

 Nevelon wrote:

masterdoobie wrote:
Might make an interesting psychic power or imperial guard-like command in a future codex.

SoB had a faith power that did something like this in the last addition, IIRC.

And the bolter is fine as it is. Don't look too closely at the fluff vs. the tabletop, particularly with marines.

...on one unit.
And still have it, since we're still running the WD codex

In the previous codex, Purifier, Acts of Faith were free-floating - anyone could use any Act.

It wasn't quite Rending, it was AP1 (so no bonus vs vehicles), and it was on the To Wound roll (at the time the codex was written, Rending was on the To Hit roll).

Still, a mob of 20 battle sisters with two flamers putting out 36 pseudo-rending Bolter shots plus however many hits from the Templates... considering that Battle Sisters were 12 points/model instead of 13... there's a reason Sisters players complained about the new Faith system.

 Purifier wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

masterdoobie wrote:
Might make an interesting psychic power or imperial guard-like command in a future codex.

SoB had a faith power that did something like this in the last addition, IIRC.

And the bolter is fine as it is. Don't look too closely at the fluff vs. the tabletop, particularly with marines.

...on one unit.
And still have it, since we're still running the WD codex

I know the Rets still have rending as a faith power, my friend likes to stick a 4xHB squad on a FoR with the extra 4xHBs and rend the holy out of anything downrange in a hail of fire.

But I think in the last codex before the WD you had the option to make all bolters ignore armor on a 6 or something like that. It's not a power I saw used often (like the turn your armor into an invuln save) but I think it was something like that. It's been years since I even thumbed through the old codex, and most of my experience is playing against it run by my one friend, so my exposure is limited to what he thought was cool/effective.

davethepak wrote:
No.

You can't infer fluff/technology into anything here - a stubber should have rending and a 1000" range - Tau pulse weapons should all be rending and shadow of the warp has a range of 12 tables in a store.

Why would a stubber be this good? (and what is a stubber?)

wilsjur wrote:

davethepak wrote:
No.

You can't infer fluff/technology into anything here - a stubber should have rending and a 1000" range - Tau pulse weapons should all be rending and shadow of the warp has a range of 12 tables in a store.

Why would a stubber be this good? (and what is a stubber?)

A stubber (I'm assuming he means Heavy Stubber) is basically a 20th-21st century Heavy Machine Gun. Those things have a really long range, and probably could hit that far out in a scaleless world that is 40k....

Oh

I want Lasguns to have rending too. After all, lights are beams and light beams are really thin so they'll get in between armor plates.

No just no, very bad idea

No.

But shotguns should have rending.

What? That even a worst idea.

A bolt cannot rend, either it punches the armor and explode inside the target and kills/wounds it or it does not and does pretty mich a harmless explosion outside the target.

Yes every weapon should have rending and every model should have armour that negates rending...then only bladestorm will remain!

 Bobthehero wrote:
What? That even a worst idea.

A bolt cannot rend, either it punches the armor and explode inside the target and kills/wounds it or it does not and does pretty mich a harmless explosion outside the target.

I wouldn't call the detonation of a pepsi can sized rocket inches away from your chest harmless.