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I've been collecting/painting for about 3-4 years now, casually gaming for 2 - building and adapting my list as I get more experienced.

I've always played with the casual crew for the smaller games, not taking it to seriously etc.

However last Thursday, after work I unleashed my new 1200 point army against a guy who's actually played a lot longer than I have.

I fielded:

Tigurius
9 Sternguard - melta/flamer combis
10 Tactical marines with melta
5 Tactical with more melta

These all have Drop pods with Deathwind launchers.

3 Stormtalons

He had Blood Angels -
Librarian
Devastators with Lascannons
10 Death company
Some tactical marines
A storm raven.

I went second - his turn one was wasted (Alpha strike)
Sternguard clean out his Devastators, tactical sqaud hurt most of the death company.

He hands out minor damage, 3 models.

My Talons come out, kills his Raven and most of the infantry.

He calls it a game at the end of turn 2, having killed all but a few marines after 35 minutes of play.

He was nice enough about it, but said it was a WAAC list and tournament competitive. Have I become "that guy", have I outgrown the casual group or is he just being a bit sensitive?

It seems fairly tame to me. And no you where not "That Guy" thatt guy brings a list and game only to crush and destroy others.

"Deathwind launchers."

"but said it was a WAAC list and tournament competitive"

He is wrong.

its well rounded for sure. but meta changing torny list? nope.

I'd have to agree with the others. OP - your list is not that crazy. I think the real issue is how BAD his list was. Until they get a new book, BA will always have a uphill battle in 6th, but that list really didn't help him. Did you guys know what your lists would be ahead of time, or was it just a general game night where everyone just shows up with what they have?

He brought an army from currently the most potentially sub-par codex in circulation (or certainly one of the bottom couple) that didn't even capitalise on the strengths of that army, you aren't 'that' guy, he's one of 'those' guys.

Is that army even legal? I mean, you can't start with all your army in reserves.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Is that army even legal? I mean, you can't start with all your army in reserves.

What his or the BA?

Drop pods and models inside doesn't count towards reserve limit. Nor those anything that must start in reserves (flyers and pods)

Oh. I thought you had to have at least 50% of your points on the table to begin. Didn't know that fliers and pods were a way around that.

Your list certainly isn't bad, but it's by no means WAAC. His list is bad, and written with a bad codex. 3 Drop Pods and some Stormtalons are nowhere near a 4 Helldrake list or Screamerstar or TauDar in terms of power level.

I consider flyers in 1200 pts poor form but since you both had them, whatever.

If he's going to call you WAAC, next time, take the flyer formation to have 4-6 flyers, take a thunderhawk and pod in some minimum troops away from LoS.

Then he can call you "that guy" with justification as your superheavy-led airfleet murderlizes everything.

No, you are not TFG.
BA are generally bad and that list simply sucks.

Every guy is TFG for BA. The problem is that you can't get GW employees to admit that BA are gak. Man I hate those guys.

He's definitely being oversensitive with what is basically 'name-calling'. However, such a quick and decisive end doesn't sound very fun for either person. If you know he's playing an underpowered BA list you might try to take a list that'll be more enjoyable for the both of you.

Chalk another vote up in the 'over-sensitive' category.

Cheers guys, seems like a pretty resounding no, on the TFG front.

I know BA are not exactly A-game but I was just surprised how quickly the game went heavily to my favour.

Winning heavily is not fun, nor is getting battered.

We take 1200 lists, and a we're all paired off, so we don't have prior knowledge of what they're taking.

Which store is this at, Tigurius?

I'm based in/around Manchester and I'm itching to get back in to playing 40k.

Manchester Central.

I only recently saw a discussion about a drop-pod list on dakka for the first time (I've played a long time, but didn't show up to dakka til recently,) and am amazed at how much people on dakka underestimate all-pod/all-reserve lists. I think it's because almost no one runs them.

They're actually very very mean. Tau riptides are the only guys who will laugh at you, since they'll just throw an intercept ap3 instadeath large blast on you when you show up, but most other armies don't readily have anti-marine intercept all over the board.

Also, giving the opponent an empty first turn is kind of a cheesy move. You're benefiting from both being the first to strike AND being the last word on objectives, which are normally factors split between the players.

I played my Blood Angels 13 pod list 4 times before deciding it was quite unsporting for my opponents, and shelved it. No one ever made it past turn 3 before just giving up, and one of the games I only lost one marine. We have since ruled that any more than 1 pod every 500 points is cheese, and is restricted to letting your opponent know you want to play above par lists.

The list isn't unbelievable top-tier tourney category, no. It DOES, awkwardly enough, stand a good chance against a couple of the 2++/reroll stars if you get to go first before they get powers up. It still runs over the more casual LGS lists though. Like, if they're trying out some sub-par unit, you just kind of drop in and kill half their army but leave the sub-par unit alive, then you say "ok try it out" and trollface at them.

I think I'd call a "properly constructed" pod-list tier 2 or so, like stomps non-competitive, but loses to competitive. If the tier 1 layer of lists didn't exist, more people would play them, and more people would complain about them.

Seriously, go proxy some pods and challenge someone random in an LGS that isn't using something you might've seen at LVO without letting them know it's a pod list until the game starts. Like 80% of your games are just going to be shut-outs in your favor. (At least until you run into the other TFG in the store that thinks its fun to run top tourney eldar/deldar or taudar lists without letting people know.)

Drop pods are high risk, high reward. When they work, they work VERY well. When they fail, it’s brutal. Against a savvy player who knows what he’s doing, they can make the game rough for a pod list.

The list you have is a good, strong one, but not WAAC level. Of course being a waac player is more then just a list; it’s a way of life. One that you don’t strike me as having. I think it’s use here is just sour grapes for “your list is more competitive then mine"

 Tigurius wrote:
Manchester Central.

I call in there quite often, but never for a game.

My gaming group has been spread to the four winds, so I think I'll change that, get my Eldar painted up and get down to an after work session.

Meh, for me the TFG is the guy who brings a crap army and calls anyone he loses to "WAAC"


Rules clarification, if your entire army starts in reserves, don't you lose the game due to having no models on the field ?

 SHUPPET wrote:

Rules clarification, if your entire army starts in reserves, don't you lose the game due to having no models on the field ?

You lose the game at the end of Game Turn 1, but Pods come down Turn 1 so you're fine.

Definitely not TFG. (So don't misread the following)

I try to avoid massed combis on podded sternis because of how rough that can feel (I don't play competitive). I'd put that in the same boat as 2 Wave Serpents @ 1500, though - a little rough, not unfluffy, and not outright broken.

(I had a similar experience with a foot Swordwind list last night.)

I'll pile on the sympathy wagon and tell you that list doesn't make you that guy. Tell him to stop whining.

Now get back out there and play some more!

Also, paint your gak and post pictures!

To be honest, sore losers who call your list "win at all costs" and "tournament competative" for doing something as obvious as drop podding sternguard, are more likely to be TFG than you are

WAAC list with Deathwind launchers...yup, this guy is a sore loser.

Play him again and beat him with an entirely different list, see if he calls you a WAAC again.

 Tigurius wrote:
Cheers guys, seems like a pretty resounding no, on the TFG front.

I know BA are not exactly A-game but I was just surprised how quickly the game went heavily to my favour.

Winning heavily is not fun, nor is getting battered.

We take 1200 lists, and a we're all paired off, so we don't have prior knowledge of what they're taking.

Most BA players don't understand just how bad their codex is. Or don't want to accept it or have listened to the GW guys. If BA players don't know EXACTLY what they are looking at and doing, they can very easily lose 10/10 matches against lists like yours.

 kronk wrote:
I'll pile on the sympathy wagon and tell you that list doesn't make you that guy. Tell him to stop whining.

Now get back out there and play some more!

Also, paint your gak and post pictures!

But but... I had a social weekend and I've been busy and stuff. I'm painting, my Centurions and another flier in the form of a Raven this time.

Didn't expect to get berated about my P&M blog in here.



Also... Deathwind launchers are good! I really like them. A 24' area of effect, large blast goodness!

Perhaps I'll just start throwing down the gauntlet for people who can handle my WAAC tournament Drop-pod-star-spam list.

 Tigurius wrote:

Also... Deathwind launchers are good! I really like them. A 24' area of effect, large blast goodness!

Perhaps I'll just start throwing down the gauntlet for people who can handle my WAAC tournament Drop-pod-star-spam list.

You made me double-check the deathwind. By 24” you are talking about the total area it covers, not the range on the weapon, which is 12” And due to the mounting in the middle of the pod, it feels like less.

It’s the can’t fire on the turn it arrives that gets to me. Plus the fact that I’ve normally got a squad of marines filling up most of it’s threat range on subsequent turns. I’d rather snap-fire the stormbolters on arrival, and have the 24” range from the immobile guns to plink away for as long as the pod lives. Plus the points not spent on the weapon “upgrade”.