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2014/05/25 16:11:57
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
(Reuters) - A gunman killed six people and wounded seven others in a drive-by shooting in a Southern California college town, spraying bullets from his car until it crashed and he was found dead inside, authorities said on Saturday.
Authorities were investigating a possible link between the Friday night shooting in the town of Isla Vista near the campus of the University of California at Santa Barbara and a threatening video posted online.
In the YouTube video, which Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown said appears to have been made by the suspected gunman, a young man bitterly complains of loneliness and rejection by women and says he plans to kill people.
Witnesses to the violence reported seeing someone driving a black BMW through the streets and shooting at people in Isla Vista, a beachside community where many college students live.
"It's obviously the work of a madman," Brown told a news conference. "There's going to be a lot more information that will come out that will give a clearer picture of just how disturbed this individual was."
Seven people died in the rampage, including the suspect, Brown said. Brown has not publicly named the suspect but a lawyer for the suspected gunman's family tentatively identified him as Elliot Rodger, son of a Hollywood director.
"I cannot confirm that but we believe it," the attorney, Alan Shifman, told reporters outside the family home in the Woodland Hills neighborhood of Los Angeles. "But the police would not give us 100 percent (certainty)."
"We offer our deepest, compassionate sympathy to the families involved in this terrible tragedy," Shifman told reporters, reading from a prepared statement on behalf of the family. "We are experiencing the most inconceivable pain and our hearts go out to everyone involved."
The suspected gunman's father was Peter Rodger, an assistant director on 2012 film "The Hunger Games."
The New York Times quoted Shifman as saying that Rodger's parents had called the police about a month ago to express concerns about his YouTube videos "regarding suicide and the killing of people." The newspaper quoted Shifman as saying police officers had interviewed Rodger but concluded he posed no danger. Shifman said they had found him to be a "perfectly polite, kind and wonderful human," the Times said.
Brown said deputies had twice exchanged fire with the suspected gunman on Friday night before his vehicle crashed and the suspect was found dead inside of a gunshot wound to the head. Brown could not say if he was killed by deputies or died of a self-inflicted wound.
A semi-automatic handgun was recovered from the scene, Brown said.
California's KEYT-TV reported that the suspected gunman's apartment complex was also a crime scene and that three bodies had been removed from the site. Authorities could not immediately confirm the report and there was no immediate word whether the bodies were included in the existing death toll.
POPULAR KIDS
The YouTube video police were studying showed a young man who identified himself as Elliot Rodger pouring out his hatred of women who have rejected him and "popular kids," and threatening to kill people out of loneliness and sexual frustration.
"You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me. But I will punish you all for it. It's an injustice, a crime," he said in the video, his speech punctuated by bursts of laughter.
The video appeared to have been uploaded to YouTube on Friday night, shortly before the shooting. "It would appear that is connected," Brown said.
YouTube has since removed the video, posting in its place a notice saying it violated its terms of service. A spokeswoman for Google, which owns YouTube, was not available for comment.
The identities of those killed in the rampage were withheld pending notification of their families, and there was no immediate word on the condition of the wounded.
But Richard Martinez told reporters that his 20-year-old son Christopher, a UCSB English major who wanted to go to law school, was killed while buying his dinner in a deli store that came under fire by the gunman.
"Why did Chris die? Chris died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the NRA," an emotional Martinez told reporters outside the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office. "They talk about gun rights, what about Chris' right to live? When will this insanity stop?"
"POPPING NOISES"
Robert Johnson, a 21-year-old UCSB student, said he first noticed trouble after a car drove past him at a busy Isla Vista intersection and he then heard "popping noises" that he originally mistook for firecrackers or the car backfiring.
"Then the sound came again, and by that point it had pulled up in front of a convenience store deli, and someone in the car was firing into a crowd of about eight, 10 people that were gathered in front of the store," he said.
"Everyone that was being fired upon, they all jumped and scrambled to run inside the store," he said.
The car had darkly tinted windows and the occupant was not visible, Johnson said.
College student Brad Martin told a UCSB student newspaper that his girlfriend was "absolutely hysterical" after being approached by the gunman with a weapon she initially was not sure was real.
"She said the next second he raised it up to her face ... and she turned around and started running," Martin told the Daily Nexus. "That's when she heard 'bang, bang, bang' right behind her as she was running."
University of California President Janet Napolitano, formerly U.S. secretary of Homeland Security, said she was "shocked and deeply saddened" by the shooting near the campus.
"Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of this tragedy, their families and the entire Santa Barbara community," she said in a statement.
The incident was the latest mass shooting in the United States, where schools, shopping malls and military bases have been scenes of such crimes.
Last month, a gunman killed three people and himself at the Fort Hood U.S. Army base in Texas, where another gunman killed 13 people in 2009.
In December 2012, 20 children and six adults were killed in a mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut. Six months before that, a gunman killed 14 people in a Denver-area movie theater.
The deadliest U.S. mass shooting in modern times was in 2007, when a student at Virginia Tech killed 32 people in a shooting spree.
Some 23,000 people live in Isla Vista. Many are students at UCSB, which has an enrollment of about 22,000, or at Santa Barbara City College.
(Additional reporting by Cynthia Johnston, Peter Cooney, Jonathan Allen and Jonathan Alcorn, Writing by Alex Dobuzinskis; Editing by Ellen Wulfhorst, Frances Kerry and Bill Trott)
..... I hesitated before posting this because I hate news media blowing stuff like this up as a huge event, but that video... wow.
2014/05/25 16:29:40
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
. Sometimes these people are just like me, scared and alone and feeling no-one listens. Sometimes I wish someone would have just listened to some of these people and we could stop this. But nope, lets ban guns and BMWs. But Jesus, what leads you to think that killing people is the right answer. Im almost 22 and I have yet to even kiss a girl, it happens eventually, I know guys 27-30 like that
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2014/05/25 16:44:35
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
That pretty much sums it up. The sad part is that the parents tried to warn people but it seems to have gone nowhere. I want to be mad at the guy who blames the NRA but I also know he just lost his son so he's just lashing out. I don't get the #yesallwomen thing; I haven't searched for it, but I fear it isn't good.
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2014/05/25 16:49:24
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
Sadly It like "You might do something but we cant do anything" exist, Like Cap said "The punishment usually follows the crime"
Also, Ultimate Gentlemen? Im sure killing people will make you loose that title. Im watching more of the video now, god, I know lonliness and rejection can be hard, but what makes you think like that. Have normal revenge fantasies where you imagine yourself as a millionaire with a smoking wife, while they are in a loveless marriage in the boonies. Not killing people.
That pretty much sums it up. The sad part is that the parents tried to warn people but it seems to have gone nowhere. I want to be mad at the guy who blames the NRA but I also know he just lost his son so he's just lashing out. I don't get the #yesallwomen thing; I haven't searched for it, but I fear it isn't good.
They are like "Men are afraid women will laugh at them, Women are afraid men will kill them #yesallwomen" and stuff about rape and harassment. It is really nothing special
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2014/05/25 16:52:58
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
I didn't watch the video (because feth that guy) but I get the impression he is one of those people who thinks there is a formula for human interaction i.e. "I acted in this way why aren't the ladies falling over themselves to be with me?" Instead of realizing the problem was within he blames everyone else for not conforming to his ideas of how things should be.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/05/25 16:59:05
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
Ahtman wrote: I didn't watch the video (because feth that guy) but I get the impression he is one of those people who thinks there is a formula for human interaction i.e. "I acted in this way why aren't the ladies falling over themselves to be with me?" Instead of realizing the problem was within he blames everyone else for not conforming to his ideas of how things should be.
Pretty much exactly that. He thinks he is the perfect gentlement when I learned along time ago before 23, being a gentlement deoesnt get you much.
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2014/05/25 17:02:14
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
There is no singular way "to be a gentleman", and some of those can get you a lot, you just have to be perceptive and empathetic to the situation, which usually comes from experience. Romantic partners and friends aren't passive things, they require active participation.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/05/25 17:05:06
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
Ahtman wrote: There is no singular way "to be a gentleman", and some of those can get you a lot, you just have to be perceptive and empathetic to the situation, which usually comes from experience. Romantic partners and friends aren't passive things, they require active participation.
True, but In my experiance, girls tende to look for excitement rather then romance. But just my experiance TBH.
My friend recently said to me when get older, even though I havent had a date yet, dating will get a whole lot easier and a whole less drama.
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2014/05/25 17:08:28
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
Ahtman wrote: There is no singular way "to be a gentleman", and some of those can get you a lot, you just have to be perceptive and empathetic to the situation, which usually comes from experience. Romantic partners and friends aren't passive things, they require active participation.
True, but In my experiance, girls tende to look for excitement rather then romance. But just my experiance TBH.
My advice would be to lose any ideas about females that paint them all with the same brush, and focus on individuals interests and desires. Females aren't a homogenous entity.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/05/25 17:09:25
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
hotsauceman1 wrote: Sadly It like "You might do something but we cant do anything" exist, Like Cap said "The punishment usually follows the crime"
Also, Ultimate Gentlemen? Im sure killing people will make you loose that title. Im watching more of the video now, god, I know lonliness and rejection can be hard, but what makes you think like that.
Underlying, possibly unrelated acceptance issues or mental issues requiring medication which have obviously been ignored for too long.
.....He said Mr Rodger's son had been "diagnosed at an earlier age of being a highly functional Asperger Syndrome child", had trouble making friends and had been receiving professional help.......
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2014/05/25 17:59:48
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
hotsauceman1 wrote: You mean I cant use 3 simple words to make any women fall in love with me?
"I eat ______". Fill in the blank. Three simple words, say it to ten women. You'll get slapped 9 times, and have an eye widening experience on the tenth.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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2014/05/25 18:12:11
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
hotsauceman1 wrote: You mean I cant use 3 simple words to make any women fall in love with me?
"I eat ______". Fill in the blank. Three simple words, say it to ten women. You'll get slapped 9 times, and have an eye widening experience on the tenth.
Sigvatr wrote: Not sure if #yesallwomen is a joke or not. Claim to be a voice against male sexism but are insultingly sexist themselves. Irony?
This is just modern internet feminism. Feminism has really lost pretty much all intellectual credibility as a result of having all of its ideas reduced to bloggable memes and slogans, and has become a playground for self-indulgent, lazy and self-righteous slacktivists who just want to be angry. That's why they can say things like "Men are afraid women will laugh at them, Women are afraid men will kill them" without realizing how reductive and simplistic that is.
Watch, it'll turn out most of the victims were male, and they'll still call it a crime against women.
2014/05/25 18:23:59
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
What actually bothers me the most about about all this, however, is that with stuff like YouTube, ridiculous stuff like this gets viral and "people" like him get a huge audience and a lot of media attention.
Think the parents are going to blame "Society" for failing their son
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2014/05/25 18:37:31
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
hotsauceman1 wrote: You mean I cant use 3 simple words to make any women fall in love with me?
"I eat ______". Fill in the blank. Three simple words, say it to ten women. You'll get slapped 9 times, and have an eye widening experience on the tenth.
I knew a guy who used that a a pickup line, and it worked a lot more then 1:10.
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Jihadin wrote: Think the parents are going to blame "Society" for failing their son
Well, they did warn people about him and try to get the police involved, but nothing much was done.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2014/05/25 18:41:28
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
I saw this yesterday, but figured the pud didn't deserve the recognition.
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Ahtman wrote: I didn't watch the video (because feth that guy) but I get the impression he is one of those people who thinks there is a formula for human interaction i.e. "I acted in this way why aren't the ladies falling over themselves to be with me?" Instead of realizing the problem was within he blames everyone else for not conforming to his ideas of how things should be.
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2014/05/25 18:43:42
Subject: Re:That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
I saw it to yesterday and was waiting for it to be posted and for it to turn into 2nd Amendment debate
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2014/05/25 18:44:12
Subject: That is some next level .... whatever he has going on (Mass shooting in Cali)
hotsauceman1 wrote: . Sometimes these people are just like me, scared and alone and feeling no-one listens. Sometimes I wish someone would have just listened to some of these people and we could stop this. But nope, lets ban guns and BMWs.
But Jesus, what leads you to think that killing people is the right answer. Im almost 22 and I have yet to even kiss a girl, it happens eventually, I know guys 27-30 like that
well, and this is just my opinion,
We had mental health issues back in 1920-1960, same as today.
We had access to the same guns back then, actually, even more easy access then today.
The difference seems to be, that today, the media feeds the megalomania/delusions of grandeur that sick minded people will fantasize about with constant reporting on the killer.
Maybe if we were not making celebrities out of killers, it wouldn't seem like such an attractive out.
I also think you are correct, that we as people have to get involved, and support the people around us who might be feeling down or rejected.
I feel like today, even if people ask for help, they are too often ignored or shunned for their "weakness", because people are not willing to admit that they feel the same way themselves sometimes or are just too apathetic. So while we have much more "professional" and "clinical" mental health services available to people, we have far less "friends/family/ect you can actually talk to" which I believe is what is needed more then a professional in many cases.
Mainly though, the thing that bugs me the most is making celebrities out of the killers, continual propagation of them on the TV and internets, and the complete lack of attention on the victims.
That more then anything encourages more people to see this as a "may as well burn out, then fade away" answer to their problems.
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