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So reading a tactics link for 40k and it made reference to a relic may be the worst in the game. Maybe even worst upgrade in the game.

My question is what do people think is the worst relic for any army.

My opinion would be the Djinn blades in the DE codex, only ap3, way to expensive for what it does and like daemon weapons can hurt the user, but at least with daemon weapons the model can get a save. Also taking into account the models it can be put on. Just a really terrible piece of wargear.

Primarchs Wrath. Yeahhhhhh!!! Moar bolters!

Dimensional Key is pretty bad.

Headwhoppa's Kill Choppa

Seriously. Why would you ever take this over a power klaw?

S7, AP5 w/ Rending & ID on 6's... or, for a mere 5 points more, S10 (all the time ID for t5 and below!), AP2 (all the time!)

The only downside being you lose initiative 4. Although as any Chapter Master Smashfether will tell you... Who gives a WHOOP when you've got a much, much better chance at actually killing what you're fighting with the klaw?

Also shoutout to stikkbomb chukkaz on Ork Vehicles for worst general equipment. Oh man, 5 point upgrade to give a disembarking infantry unit grenades... WHICH THEY ALL HAVE ALREADY! Yes, even meganobz. Yes, even GROTS! All sorts of junk like that in the Ork codex, it's like they printed the first draft without checking anything!

My vote goes to the Norn Crown, for the cost of a squad of gants +1 you get a whopping +6 Synapse. Woo!

IG Commisar pistol.

Wooo precision shot!

Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

 Frozocrone wrote:
Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

Wait... S1? And not Poisoned, Fleshbane, Rending, anything?

Yeah, we have a winner here....

 soomemafia wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

Wait... S1? And not Poisoned, Fleshbane, Rending, anything?

Yeah, we have a winner here....

Yeah... That sucks.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

Just. Terrible.

Powerfist price for the worst grenade in the game. I agree, this is a strong candidate for worst equip.

 Desubot wrote:
IG Commisar pistol.

Wooo precision shot!

this.

Even though its cheap as chips, it literally makes 0.001% difference in the overall firepower of your army, so why bother except for fluff reasons

Dark Angels. Shroud of the Unforgiven.

FnP and sometimes shrouded for an insane price.

Axe of Medusa is pretty lackluster, from the Raukaan supplement. Especially as it's supposed to "replace" the Burning Blade. Yeah, not so much. Unwieldy and +2 S with an additional +2 S if you roll a 6 to wound. Pretty much the only reason not to take a power fist instead is that the Axe isn't a Specialist Weapon.

Going to toss Scrolls of Magnus out there. For a price on par with the most expensive upgrades in the book, you get one randomly chosen psychic power from 6 different disciplines with no primaris allowed. And it just wouldn't be chaos without an absolutely free 'smack yourself in the face' automatic hit S3 ap1. Instead of that black mace, why don't you take god knows what psychic power that you will probably never use and give up some of those useless wounds on your HQ! Fluffy!

Crosius of the Dark Covenant from the Crimson Slaughter supplement is pretty useless as a 30 point power maul for your Dark Apostle that replaces your existing power maul, (essentially costing you 45 points) but with a 6 inch Zealot bubble.

 soomemafia wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

Wait... S1? And not Poisoned, Fleshbane, Rending, anything?

Yeah, we have a winner here....

Oh my bad, I forgot to mention you can't use it in combat to give your attacks AP2.
But like that's ok, because the only thing that can take it are Haemonculi which have access to...scissorhands which are 10pts for Poisoned and Rending

pm713 wrote:
Dark Angels. Shroud of the Unforgiven.

FnP and sometimes shrouded for an insane price.

this is our winner right here you can't get shrouded unless your not joining a squad, and that means sacrificing Los.

Did I mention it costing 50 points?

Another really bad relic is the foe smiter, why would you spend points on this 20 point piece of rubbish exactly??? It's an assault 3 storm bolter with bane of the traitor. If you can wield it you have preferred enemy anyway so traitors bane does little to help you out anyway and you can't use that 90% of the time anyway.

And if your going to take a storm bolter chances your going to be in tda anyway thus making the standard storm bolter free anyway!!!!

I'd say shield of cretacia for BA. For 5 points, you can swap into some power armor that makes you immune to poison...

...Except that you're in a squad and they're not all wearing the same thing.

But that coven grenade probably beats all.

niv-mizzet wrote:
I'd say shield of cretacia for BA. For 5 points, you can swap into some power armor that makes you immune to poison...

...Except that you're in a squad and they're not all wearing the same thing.

But that coven grenade probably beats all.

Dude for five points you could probably solo Venom Spam xD

Norn cro-

 Frozocrone wrote:

 soomemafia wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

Wait... S1? And not Poisoned, Fleshbane, Rending, anything?

Yeah, we have a winner here....

Oh my bad, I forgot to mention you can't use it in combat to give your attacks AP2.
But like that's ok, because the only thing that can take it are Haemonculi which have access to...scissorhands which are 10pts for Poisoned and Rending

You know how hard me and my wife have tried to forget the existence of that grenade yes? It's the one artefact that poops itself in the corner and looks damn proud of it while other artifacts try to keep their distance.

 soomemafia wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:
Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

Wait... S1? And not Poisoned, Fleshbane, Rending, anything?

Yeah, we have a winner here....

I'll also nominate the Orbs of Despair. I love the additional clause that they can't be used in combat. Because God forbid anyone combine them with Sindriq's Sump to make a half-way decent melee weapon.

I also think the Djin Blade is a close second. It costs more than an Agoniser or Huskblade, but lacks the poison (4+) of the former and the ID of the latter, whilst adding no additional strength or AP. Instead, you get 2 extra attacks (at S3 whoop!), and a 1/6 chance to wound yourself. Since this wound ignores all saves, it also instantly removes your Archon's Shadowfield. Outstanding.

 Desubot wrote:
IG Commisar pistol.

Wooo precision shot!

I don't actually mind that pistol. I know what you mean, but on the other hand it's only 5pts and is a way to add a little character to a commissar lord.

Same reason I like the Parasite's Kiss. It probably won't do much, but for 5pts I don't really expect it to. Hell, it only needs to kill a guardsman and it's made its points back.

 Frozocrone wrote:
Shout out to Haemonculus Covens Orbs of Despair.

For 25 points you can, instead of firing a weapon, throw an 8" grenade that is AP2 and has the Instant Death special rule!

It's only Strength 1, but hey, you could totally smoke those Termagants on a 6!

This.

I'm going to agree with two others and say the Dark Angels' Shroud of Heroes is the worst relic. 50 points for FNP, plus shrouded if you are not in a squad. Gimme a break!

Second worst relic in Codex: Dark Angels is probably not the Foe Smiter but rather the Monster Slayer of Caliban. You have a 50/50 chance of it being much better than a regular power sword, but it costs 3 times as much! Overcosting seems to be the universal problem with the DA codex.

Teeth of Terra.
The worst melee weapon ever

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Teeth of Terra.
The worst melee weapon ever

It's a relic blade ++. While it's a jack of all trades weapon, I'd not call it the worst ever.

Dark Angels - Monster Killer sword or whatever it is.

45-ish points, 1/3 chainsword, 1/3 chance its a powersword, 1/3 chance its a +2s AP3 ID (I think its ID) sword.

The worst single rule on a relic has to be 'slayer (Deamons and psykers)' of Silas Alberacs 'Hellslayer'. Which means it wounds Deamons and psykers on a 2+... But it is already st10. So unless you come across a GUO with Iron Arm activated, its rule will never come into play.

 Nevelon wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Teeth of Terra.
The worst melee weapon ever

It's a relic blade ++. While it's a jack of all trades weapon, I'd not call it the worst ever.

Not to mention it can combine with a Fist as a Specialist Weapon. Not that bad, really.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
Primarchs Wrath. Yeahhhhhh!!! Moar bolters!

It's mostly just okay, but I fail to see what the main problem with it is. It's 20 points for your Relentless character to add into one of the phases of the game and actually make use of that nice BS5. It essentially never misses too.

My nomination is either the Monster Slayer of Caliban or The Blade Of Admonition. The former is more expensive that the Mace relic which does more consistent damage, and the latter can only be used by a Cannoness. 30 points for that junk. Maybe in the hands of a Space Marine commander, but NOT for a Cannoness.

Bones of Baelsor - 15 pts

Dreadnaught, DC Dread, Furioso Dread or Librarian Dread Only. Counts Crew Stunned as Crew Shaken, instead. [DC Dread completely ignores both.] Penetrating hits caused by Tyranid bio-plasma, bio-plasmic cannons, or venom cannon weapons are treated as glancing hits instead.

So, for 15 points, you can give a DC dread an utterly useless upgrade, unless you're playing against a Tyranid player that uses one of three weapons against you. Even then, you're only downgrading 1/2 penetrating hits from plasma to "just" a HP instead, since you already ignore Crew Stunned / Shaken. Even then, the Tyranid player has to want to shoot those weapons at you, expecting to get a useful damage result before HP'ing you to death.

Not playing against Tyranids? You just gave away 15 points for absolutely nothing. I mean, that DE Grenade could at least potentially kill something.

The deathmask of Ollanius. 30 points for Fear, IWND and +1 inv save on a T3 model.... Yeah, no ty...

My personal favorite of the MOST useless though, has to be the laurels of command. 25 points and everyone near 6" of you can choose to fail/pass their morale test which could be fine, except that when you have blobs you usually have a priest in that blob so they can't fail anyway OR you have a commissar, in which case if you actually wanted to fail the test, the commissar would instantly *BLAM* your men and you'd auto pass anyway, so the relic does absolutely nothing. Worse, it actually even causes pinning test for all your men within 6" if the wearer dies.