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Lately when I have been showing up to my flgs to play a game of 40k, I have been getting a strange response. Usually I play guard/inquisition or grey knights. I recently (over the course of 6 months) built a space marine army... and now that I have been bringing this army to play, there is usually someone that makes a statement along the lines of "space marines, ugh!" Or "I can't stand space marines." It is never my opponent, but it is becoming really annoying. It is every. single. time.

I've actually stopped bringing my space marines that I dedicated time and money to play. I don't play a cheesy list. But it is still every time. Does anyone else deal with this?

When you play a top tier army that everyone and their brother owns, it gets really, REALLY boring seeing the same things over and over and over, which is why that response is frequently said. As someone that plays every non spess murrezn army in the game I get the same response, but for Eldar.

Sounds like weeboos to me. Space marines are about 80% of the content in this game so if you don't like space marines - you are playing the wrong game IMO.

Need a little more details about this problem. Is it your lists maybe? Too strong? Is it too weak? Are they playing an army that relies on fear? I don't know man. Space marines are always fun to play against for me.

They're the most common army in the game... there's always going to be someone who's going to be a little over them, as a result.

Having said that, I'm not sure what you feel you need to 'deal with'... People have their opinions. The world continues to turn.

Space Marines have been accused of being incredibly dull featureless-protagonist mary-sues that get too much attention and weaken the narrative of the setting simply by existing, let alone by featuring as the protagonists constantly.

To which I say "Space Marines aren't boring, but they're frequently made boring by bad writers." Go read the Horus Heresy books for good examples of Space Marines not being boring.

As to the gameplay problems I took account recently and discovered that there exist close to seventy distinct 'Space Marine' lists (between 40k, 30k, variations based on Chapter Tactics...), and I doubt your commenters manage to hate every single one of them equally.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Sounds like weeboos to me. Space marines are about 80% of the content in this game so if you don't like space marines - you are playing the wrong game IMO.

And there's the problem. The setting has so many factions that aren't space marines, many of whom have been sorely in need of attention for years *cough* CSM, Tyranids, Orks, Sisters, Guard *cough*, some people just can't help but be bitter when one faction gets so much more love in every facet of the property.

I almost get sick looking at how much love spice marines get on Forgeworld and I actually somewhat like space marines.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Sounds like weeboos to me. Space marines are about 80% of the content in this game so if you don't like space marines - you are playing the wrong game IMO.

And there's the problem. The setting has so many factions that aren't space marines, many of whom have been sorely in need of attention for years *cough* CSM, Tyranids, Orks, Sisters, Guard *cough*, some people just can't help but be bitter when one faction gets so much more love in every facet of the property.

I almost get sick looking at how much love spice marines get on Forgeworld and I actually somewhat like space marines.

I like Space Marines, but I don't have them as one of my primary armies because they are so frequently played and I think the game could use more diversity.

I can totally see someone getting bored by the amount of Space Marines out there, but I think that they shouldn't be making annoying comments to people who bring Space Marines to the FLGS. That's just rude.

Space Marines make up most of 40K gaming wise. It would be like complaining about someone bring Germans to a World War II game or even French to a Napoleonics game. They were all pretty much involved with everything.

I would argue that it's more like the British Commandos being popular because they're cool, so then they sell well and get a lot more models and more rule supplements. So many WW2 players get annoyed because most games end up being British Commandos vs British Commandos. Meanwhile, the regular British Army and the Soviet Army haven't had their rules or models upgraded in a really long time.

TBH, this will happen with any army that isn't trash, or an army you play well. I run grey knights and do well with grey knights. I get tons of people going "oh wow, your knights are cheese, nerf your tourney list ((" when I beat the dark eldar player with nothing but libbies, terminators and power armored grey knights.

If your good, or your army is good, you'll always have some salty noob who complains. This is the nature of life. Learn to just accept it, and move on. There is nothing OP about marines if your not doing dami company, or spamming sky hammers and grav bikes or centurion stars or super friends. If your doin friendly lists, than you should be fine.

Every time I see someone complain to a necron, tau, eldar, or space marine player for having cheese when they're running a bad or friendly list, I die a little inside.

I can see the issue, and it's honestly been like that for a long time. Seeing as the space marines are the "poster kids" of 40k, it makes sense that they are pushed as such.
Now, don't get me wrong, I used to play space marines. First army in fact. But, coming back they seem over saturated, and it then becomes another marine army Vs marine army etc. Eldar, Tau and Necrons also suffer thus, but in their case they are just very strong armies rather than "poster kids".

As long as your opponent doesn't care you use marines, then neither should you. So what people moan that more people use marines? You are free to use whatever army you want.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
Sounds like weeboos to me. Space marines are about 80% of the content in this game so if you don't like space marines - you are playing the wrong game IMO.

And there's the problem. The setting has so many factions that aren't space marines, many of whom have been sorely in need of attention for years *cough* CSM, Tyranids, Orks, Sisters, Guard *cough*, some people just can't help but be bitter when one faction gets so much more love in every facet of the property.

I almost get sick looking at how much love spice marines get on Forgeworld and I actually somewhat like space marines.

Oh Chaos certainly gets a ton of attention and care. The CSMs are disproportionately frequent antagonists for all their rarity in the actual setting and Forgeworld regularly showers them in releases and of course the CSMs recently got their big damn supplement. While they haven't been in a good spot crunch wise for nearly a decade they've never been lacking for attention from GeeDubs.

Meanwhile it seems that GeeDubs has just outright forgotten to make good dexes for the Orks, Tyranids, Guard, and Dark Eldar that aren't rife with amazingly terrible internal balancing more or less forcing them into being monobuilds or in the case of the Guard and DEldar; suffering the cruel fate of mostly being an allied detachment for some other army to get their better goodies. And of course poor external balancing that makes them quite weak; especially against the top tier armies who tend to have all the tools they need to utterly wipe the floor with them if they know they're facing those four. (Or for the fething craftworld Eldar and Ynnari; just bring the usual list and pulverize them anyway).

And it seems GW needs to be periodically reminded that the SoBs even exist. Though if the rumors are true the long night of no new models might be coming to an end soon at last.

As a Dark Eldar player it is a day of joyous occasion when I get to play against something that isn't sodding space marines. I get that they're the game sposter boys and I'm fine with that, something has to be after all, but we've reached a point where the community is badly over saturated with them and it can be very frustrating to go weeks or even months on end playing against almost nothing but Space Marines.

As someone scouting out a tabletop game to take up one of the draws for me to 40k is the sheer richness and variety of factions. X-Wing has just 3 distinct factions, Drop Zone Commander has 5 distinct factions (or 6 factions if you count resistance as being 2). 40k has:

IoM
- IG (rules wise 2 variants - vanila and DKoK)
- MT (half a IG variant?)
- SM (in half a dozen variants)
- Inquisition
- SoB
- Assassins
- Grey Knights
- Ad-mech (2 variants)
- Knights

Chaos
- CSM (in at least 4 variant?)
- Daemons
- Renegade knights

Orks (potential for half a dozen variants though not supported by rules currently)

Eldar
- Craftworld
- Corsairs
- Dark Eldar
- Harlequins
- Ynari ?

Necrons

Tau
- Regular
- Farsight Enclaves

Tyranids
- Regular
- Genestealer Cults

wow. However all that gorgeous variety is kind of moot if chances are in practice one will mostly be fighting space marines on the tabletop in which case one may as well be playing X-Wing.

I can't say I've ever run into this problem. I don't play SM, but I've never heard anyone at our store go "UGh, space marines..". Granted, my store has a good mix of armies.

 Xenomancers wrote:
Sounds like weeboos to me. Space marines are about 80% of the content in this game

This is the problem. They are far and away the majority content in the game, but in terms of actual numbers all SM combined would be the smallest of any force in the 40K universe (well, except maybe Chaos Marines...). But hey, they are GWs poster boys...

My FLGS/club has just under 100 active members and out of all of these I can only think of 10 players whom do not run Marines or some variant thereof.
Of these three run Eldar, two run Tau, a couple run Mechanicus and I run Guard.
So yes, there is a massive overload/overburdening of marines.

It'd be like playing smash bros but 75% of every match up had you fighting Mario.

You'd get pretty tired of him pretty quickly.

I hate Space Marines so much I actually began a Black Legion force built around taking out MEQs out of sheer spite.

Hypocritical? Maybe, but at least it's fluffier than my Imperial Guard going up against loyalist Space Marines every other game..

You mean, when you start playing the most common army just like so many others, people often get bored that they're playing against yet another player who plays the same army?

Well... yeah. Variety is the spice of life.

It doesn't bother me too much, but about 2/3 of the armies at my FLGS are marines. The rest is Eldar or tau. We only have one demon player who also has nids, I'm the only guard player. We have a GK player but he very rarely plays, and a chaos player who also has marines that he uses far more often, and a skitarii/admech who far more often uses marines. We have no, whatsoever, DE, sisters, orks, necrons, or any of the small factions like harlequins. It's disappointing because I've only had one game ever against sisters, necrons, and orks, never up against any of the small factions or DE.

So yeah, it gets a little annoying when everyone uses marines. I'll never openly complain about it to them like the people at your store, although if I'm playing someone with a different army I'll ask if I can go up against not-marines. I will say that you should play whatever army you like the best though.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I hate Space Marines so much I actually began a Black Legion force built around taking out MEQs out of sheer spite.

Hypocritical? Maybe, but at least it's fluffier than my Imperial Guard going up against loyalist Space Marines every other game..

I also started a Black Legion army, which I enjoy. But it does grate on me a bit that they're still Space Marines, fundamentally.

I'll have to fill out my Eldar collection next.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I hate Space Marines so much I actually began a Black Legion force built around taking out MEQs out of sheer spite.

Hypocritical? Maybe, but at least it's fluffier than my Imperial Guard going up against loyalist Space Marines every other game..

Ironfather Smashfether: "Why, I'm with the iron Hands."

Lady General, as she narrows her eyes: "What kind of fool do you take me for?!"

Lady General: "HE'S AN IRON HANDS RENEGADE, HE'S AN IRON HANDS RENEGADE, YOU'RE AN IRON HANDS RENEGADE! I"M AN IRON HANDS RENEGADE!!! Are there any other iron hands renegades I should know about?"

Ironfather Smashfether the fourth: "THE FLESH IS WEAK!"

Lady General: "I'm out of here.."

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
I hate Space Marines so much I actually began a Black Legion force built around taking out MEQs out of sheer spite.

Hypocritical? Maybe, but at least it's fluffier than my Imperial Guard going up against loyalist Space Marines every other game..

I also started a Black Legion army, which I enjoy. But it does grate on me a bit that they're still Space Marines, fundamentally.

I'll have to fill out my Eldar collection next.

I'm hoping and praying they bring the Lost and the Damned back. As much as I like Heretics and Renegades they suffer too much from 'Forge World coodies' in many circles. Once that happens I can safely toss the spiky power armour into the furnace where they, and all marine armies, belong.

In all seriousness though, I don't even put Chaos Space Marines under the same banner as the loyalists. For all the LSM fanboys like to go "y-you got thousand sons! see?! gw does love you!" as some sort of justification for why we need ANOTHER frigging loyalist book, it's quite apparent that both from a lore and business standpoint that Chaos is viewed with almost (almost, not quite) as much disregard as Xenos armies are.

As several others have stated though, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that GW are blind to. Eldar and Tau were still sat rotting on that non-SM pile until they happened to receive overpowered codexes. So when everybody ran out to grab their Riptides and such, GW didn't look and go "Huh, it's a powerful codex and so it sells well?" they instead went "Wow, the kids sure do love Tau and Eldar! Lets release more stuff for them!"

The Necrons also got a similar treatment. After they got a solid codex after years of languishing in the bottom tiers they suddenly exploded in terms of in-universe prominence and in the number of goodies they got to themselves. And so they continued to receive more care and attention while they were on top of the heap only to once again seemingly fall out of GW's favor when 7e's extreme power creep cycle pushed even the "what even is dying anyway?" silliness of the Necron decurions to the merely good tiers instead of the god tiers.

LVO breakdown.
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/02/04/las-vegas-open-40k-champs-faction-breakdown/

If you lump "Space Marines" to include all MEQ based armies (Chaos Space Marines, Space Wolves, etc) regardless of fluff, then yeah, there's a lot of MEQ.

Space Marines: 42
Space Wolves: 16
Tau Empire: 37
Chaos Space Marines: 28
Eldar: 48
Blood Angels: 9
Dark Angels: 20
Genestealer Cult: 11
Tyranids: 9
Eldar Corsairs: 7
Skitarii: 4
Necrons: 15
Dark Eldar: 10
Imperial Knights: 17
Astra Militarum: 8
Grey Knights: 8
Chaos Daemons: 29
Cult Mechanicus: 20
Khorne Daemonkin: 7
Orks: 14
Harlequins: 3
Adepta Sororitas: 5
Knights Renegades: 5
Renegades: 6
Officio Assassinorum: 2
Deathwatch: 1
Militarum Tempestus: 1

When people say they're sick of space marines, are they sick of 3+ saves, or what, specifically?

Maybe sick of drop pods. Although everyone in my group learned how to deal with those in 5th. SW drop lists in 5th were just as bad or WORSE than skyhammer is now.

 Kain wrote:
The Necrons also got a similar treatment. After they got a solid codex after years of languishing in the bottom tiers they suddenly exploded in terms of in-universe prominence and in the number of goodies they got to themselves. And so they continued to receive more care and attention while they were on top of the heap only to once again seemingly fall out of GW's favor when 7e's extreme power creep cycle pushed even the "what even is dying anyway?" silliness of the Necron decurions to the merely good tiers instead of the god tiers.

So I need to patiently wait for them to make all lasguns hotshot and let vet squads take 5 free special weapons apiece before they show us some love? Honestly all I want is an upgrade sprue with 3 meltas and plasmas on it.

I'm just wondering how not one, but two people played an assassins list.

As for the MEQ armies, it has to do with how basically you're receiving mostly the same kinds of shooting with some exceptions and are killing largely the same kinds of models. MEQs are really, really samey across the MEQ armies in terms of the firepower they tend to bring and their resilience to enemy fire. Whereas GEQs are generally speaking, an awful lot more varied (while Boyz, Guardsmen, Guardians, and Gants/Termagaunts are all labeled under GEQs; they're far more different than Chaos Space marines, Tacticals, and Grey Hunters are with power armored grey knights being perhaps the most divergent.)

 Smotejob wrote:

I've actually stopped bringing my space marines that I dedicated time and money to play. I don't play a cheesy list. But it is still every time. Does anyone else deal with this?

Bah.

Play what you like. If you enjoy your space marines, then bring them. Don't let people bully you.

usually someone that makes a statement along the lines of "space marines, ugh!" Or "I can't stand space marines." It is never my opponent,

This point is telling that you have a few knob heads at your game store. If you aren't playing in the game, why are you crapping over someone else's army and enjoyment of said game?

A person with no skin in the game has no say in how it is played.

Tell those jerks that Kronk said to "feth right the feth off."