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 Wilson wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 bubber wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

timd wrote:
Is it my imagination, or do the shoulder pads look bigger on this version? Also thighs a bit shorter?

T

 Slayer le boucher wrote:


Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.

I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.

It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.

Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.

Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?

Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.

I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 bubber wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

timd wrote:
Is it my imagination, or do the shoulder pads look bigger on this version? Also thighs a bit shorter?

T

 Slayer le boucher wrote:


Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.

I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.

It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.

Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.

Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?

Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.

I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.

I used to own one as well & can say that they look Similar enough for one to not care. It's just the pose that's goofy!

True, I think having a plastic contemptor at that price point is a good thing even if the detail isn't quite there. It helps lower the barrier into 30k which the game desperately needed. I hope to see a new influx of fresh blood in my local group!

 Wilson wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 bubber wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

timd wrote:
Is it my imagination, or do the shoulder pads look bigger on this version? Also thighs a bit shorter?

T

 Slayer le boucher wrote:


Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.

I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.

It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.

Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.

Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?

Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.

I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.

I used to own one as well & can say that they look Similar enough for one to not care. It's just the pose that's goofy!

The point we are making is they have the model. Its sitting right at their HQ. They could have EASILY transfered it to a plastic 3d rendering. They CHOSE to make it look crappy to say "see we give you value!" while knowing it wont interfere with their regular contemptor sales because it will always be inferior. Its the SAME reason they arbitrarily changed the castelan robots to kastelan lego toys.

How do you know it's easy? They have to put them on sprues so I don't think it would be as easy as you think it is...

My point is, you're making yourselves sound so petty...

 Wilson wrote:

Spoiler:

 Orock wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Wilson wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 bubber wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

timd wrote:
Is it my imagination, or do the shoulder pads look bigger on this version? Also thighs a bit shorter?

T

 Slayer le boucher wrote:


Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.

I think it's the photo, the model is leaning forward a bit, so it gives an illusion of larger top smaller bottom.

It's the missing knee caps & the cut on the front of the exhausts. As I've got 2 DG ones already will either sell these or harvest the weapons.

Thanks for making the box contemptor look like garbage GW. I know you dont wanna canabalize your own sales, but that is not good quality. Those skinny legs absolutley kill it for me.

Are you being for real? They look exactly the same- Why are you being so critical & complaining?

Too many cups half empty in here, you lot should lighten up , enjoy the game & stop knit picking at everything.

I own a contemptor dread and they are not the same. The plastic one has worse details and tiny legs.

I used to own one as well & can say that they look Similar enough for one to not care. It's just the pose that's goofy!

The point we are making is they have the model. Its sitting right at their HQ. They could have EASILY transfered it to a plastic 3d rendering. They CHOSE to make it look crappy to say "see we give you value!" while knowing it wont interfere with their regular contemptor sales because it will always be inferior. Its the SAME reason they arbitrarily changed the castelan robots to kastelan lego toys.

How do you know it's easy? They have to put them on sprues so I don't think it would be as easy as you think it is...

My point is, you're making yourselves sound so petty...

It's hardly petty to not like something. The plastic Contemptor is in one pose and has much shallower detail, if that's enough for someone not to like it then that's fair enough, it's not petty to think the resin one is a lot better.

It's totally petty! there is such minimal difference in the two it's just mad to complain about one and not the other!

There isn't a minimal difference, there's a noticeable difference in the quality of the models. If it's fine by your standards, fine, doesn't mean everyone has the same standards.

Explain the difference please.

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Shallower details, not posable, lack of undercuts (mostly visible at the top of the scallop things on the knees/crotch, on the plastic they just have big flat areas going back until they meet the leg behind it).

The resin one is just a lot crisper, while the plastic is softer round the edges.

Again, I get it, you're happy with it. Do you really need to argue with anyone who isn't? People have different standards for things.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Shallower details, not posable, lack of undercuts (mostly visible at the top of the scallop things on the knees/crotch, on the plastic they just have big flat areas going back until they meet the leg behind it).

The resin one is just a lot crisper, while the plastic is softer round the edges.

Again, I get it, you're happy with it. Do you really need to argue with anyone who isn't? People have different standards for things.

I don't mind it, but you're missing my point. It's not about others disliking it, it's the manor of how they express there dislike & how they speak as if they personally deserve better. It is boring!

Since this is going to be a general release, I would if I should just put off getting the set to pick up the next HH book i need or put it off and grab a set anyway lol

 ImAGeek wrote:
Shallower details, not posable, lack of undercuts (mostly visible at the top of the scallop things on the knees/crotch, on the plastic they just have big flat areas going back until they meet the leg behind it).

The resin one is just a lot crisper, while the plastic is softer round the edges.

Again, I get it, you're happy with it. Do you really need to argue with anyone who isn't? People have different standards for things.

The thing is, your standards are unreasonable and you're trying to paint the plastic Contemptor as an affront to the FW versions, despite them both being completely different animals with a different target audience.

Shallower details? It's a plastic kit, of course the detail is not as crisp as a resin cast, it's physically impossible. Lack of undercuts? Plastic kits can't have undercuts without sliding molds which are too expensive for such a niche product. You're not arguing that the plastic Contemptor is worse, you're arguing that resin produces higer quality models. Which is such a truism I don't know why you feel the need to hammer it down so hard.

Again, if you're fixated on getting the highest quality possible, then FW is your only option. I don't understand why you're even dropping by a GW release thread. Their kits are going to be plastic and suffer all the shortcomings of a plastic kit, this isn't going to change.

The point is, it is now economically feasible to start a HH army. The Contemptor is a cheap starter kit monopose model, there was never a speck of a chance it'd be as good as an FW Contemptor. If anybody expected that, then they're being flat-out unreasonable. It smacks of trolling at this point.

I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.

It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.

It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.

Again, it could NOT have been fully posable, because it's a simplified starter kit. There's no room on the one sprue the team had been allocated to accommodate separate leg and arm parts. If/when the full kit comes out, I expect it to be as posable as the FW model. It'll be more expensive, though, and some folks will still go for the cheapest of the three options (like with the DV Helbrute).

 -DE- wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I know why the plastic one is a lower standard, but 1. It could easily have been just as posable as the FW one, so that's not down to a material limit, 2. The point still stands that it is lower quality, which some people might not be happy with, 3. Undercuts on the knees could have been fixed by having the knees a seperate part etc. So none of that is due to the shortcomings of plastic, it's down to shortcomings in the design of the sprue.

It's okay, I'm still going to buy a couple of boxes. But it could've been a lot better even in plastic, and it's rather dissapointing.

Again, it could NOT have been fully posable, because it's a simplified starter kit. There's no room on the one sprue the team had been allocated to accommodate separate leg and arm parts. If/when the full kit comes out, I expect it to be as posable as the FW model. It'll be more expensive, though, and some folks will still go for the cheapest of the three options (like with the DV Helbrute).

Yes it could have been, it's not a simplified starter kit. Every other model in the kit bar the characters are full kits, like the Space Marine tactical squad kit, fully posable and everything. Were the rest of the box monopose I wouldn't even be mentioning it but it's not, it's a proper box. Which just makes it dissapointing that the Contemptor isn't.

It would be so easy to repose though....

 Wilson wrote:
It would be so easy to repose though....

Which I'll try on at least one, but I'd rather not have had to, and doesn't help the detail issues of it being in as few parts as it is.

Like I've said, it's not a huge deal, it's just dissapointing.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wilson wrote:
It would be so easy to repose though....

Which I'll try on at least one, but I'd rather not have had to, and doesn't help the detail issues of it being in as few parts as it is.

Like I've said, it's not a huge deal, it's just dissapointing.

Disappointing? I would say no.
Its also an opportunity for players out there who want to start SM or fill their ranks with Marines models.
I'll get one box just out of curiosity. Thirty Marines for my HH army isn't a bad deal. As a unit, its 350 pts before upgrades.

Dissapointing to me, is what I meant. Not the box, the Contemptor specifically.

Thirty marines would be 400pts I think (250pts for a squad of 20 and 150pts for a squad of 10).

 ImAGeek wrote:
Dissapointing to me, is what I meant. Not the box, the Contemptor specifically.

Thirty marines would be 400pts I think (250pts for a squad of 20 and 150pts for a squad of 10).

No, it's not. In HH it's 10 pts for each each Marine after the first ten.

Perhaps this has been answered or I missed it but will this be direct preorder from GW or can I get it from local gaming store as preorder? Thx in advance...want to support local store if can :-)

 wuestenfux wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Dissapointing to me, is what I meant. Not the box, the Contemptor specifically.

Thirty marines would be 400pts I think (250pts for a squad of 20 and 150pts for a squad of 10).

No, it's not. In HH it's 10 pts for each each Marine after the first ten.

But the max squad size is 20, so after that you need a new squad of 10, which is another 150 points.

Really can't understand anyone being annoyed or disappointed over this. I love forge world for the last 3 years I hav only bought FW models and rule books, 80% of which has been heresy. I know how beautiful their models are his wonderfully crisp the details are and how easy it is to modify and pose them.......but I'm also sick and tired of their fragility having to wash them, heat them up and twist them just to get them to fit. I love modelling it's one of my favourite bits of the hobby but it's tough when your plodding through troops. This is a super opportunity to bulk with little cost or effort and maybe try some fun new rules aimed at small scale heresy battles. Well done all the folks at GW HQ, ignore the groaning and hopefully you will get good sales from this.

Id much rather the starter be affordable that have all the bells n whistles. if it had extra pieces to allow posing and more under cuts the cost would be much higher.

Personally id rather it be cheap so i can afford it as i have almost no forge world models at this time.

I'm looking at that contemptor, reading the back and fourth here and can't help but think that if I wanted crappy cheap plastics I'd not be doing to GW for them. GW stuff is expensive down here, even the large boxes that are a 'good deal', if I am going to pay that then it better damn be a quality product. That contemptor isn't a quality product.

Wouldn't be dakka if people didn't have something to complain about.

"This plastic starter box model isn't fully posable and suffers all the normal limitations of plastic!"

"The fact that the marines and terminators in the box aren't monopose, which for a starter box is totally awesome, just means I'm going to be an arse about the dreadnought still being monopose! Because of reasons!"

"I'm in Australia and GW stuff is expensive here!"

Give over.

Derp

I came here - 2 new pages of rumours, exciting I think to myself... I then read and find moany people who ultimately would whinge about anything. think it's time to leave dakka. At the end of the day guys it's toy soldiers. We're getting plastics of stuff previously available in resin. Enjoy it, buy it. If you don't, then don't. Don't whine on about the fact gw is giving us something great just because it is a bit monopose. Chin up you moany buggers!