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 Tagony wrote:
What are some basic rule differences between 40k and 30k?

It uses the same basic rules but the books are much more balanced. But there are differences. 30k has a 25% allowance of your points for LoW rather than 40k's "Take what you want". Allies are much more restricted, formations/detatchments aren't really a thing and psychic powers aren't as prominent. They are there and some armies (Like Word Bearers) make a lot of use of them but you won't get stuff like Invisistar in 30k.

 filbert wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

Same here. It's the usual Dakka dichotomy at work. We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.

I have to confess, I just don't understand it but each to his/her own I guess.

I admitted the Malibu Stacy hat thing to myself a long time ago. Once you come to terms with getting excited over having a new pattern of boltgun or helmet, you're much happier with 40k. I like that it's a universe rich enough to sustain different brands of equipment.

 kronk wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Tagony wrote:
What are some basic rule differences between 40k and 30k?

None, they just use different Space Marine Codexes.

Don't forget Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia.

Force Org chart is a little different.

LoW limited to 2000+ games, and can't be more than 25% of the army.

There is also Imperial Militia for those Guard players who want to get into 30k.

 filbert wrote:
We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.

You do know that opinion in this thread has been very split, and that a number of people have voiced the 'ughh more marines!' sentiment? The people excited by this are not the same people complaining about marine over-saturation. Different people have different opinions. We ain't a hive mind.

And, as said, this IS a better deal than the buying the 40K equivalents individually .

shade1313 wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.

I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.

So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.

While I agree that it looks like a good deal overall (that I incidentally have no interest in), you need to compare apples to apples and not monopose plastics versus fully customizable plastics or even worse versus boutique customizable resin sets. The best comparison would be with the current 40k starter set to see what if any the HH "tax" is for monopose marines and dreads.

I'm only considering it since I play CSM and can either convert them to be more Chaos-y or run them as pre-heresy type dudes. 30k doesn't have much interest for me since I main Necrons and they don't exist, and there's no real scene for it in this area.

 warboss wrote:

Spoiler:

shade1313 wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.

I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.

So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.

While I agree that it looks like a good deal overall (that I incidentally have no interest in), you need to compare apples to apples and not monopose plastics versus fully customizable plastics or even worse versus boutique customizable resin sets. The best comparison would be with the current 40k starter set to see what if any the HH "tax" is for monopose marines and dreads.

Only the Dread (and the two characters) are monopose, everything else is fully posable.

 warboss wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

Even without "but HERESY", comparing what's in the HH box with individually bought equivalents comes up with a pretty sizeable savings vs. regular GW prices.

I compared to 3x tactical marine squads, 1 of terminators, 1 dread, and two plastic monopose characters and came up with around $274 to buy the 40k equivalent of what comes in the HH box, versus the $150 cost of the HH box itself. So, by those equivalencies, the HH box is around 55% of what I'd expect to pay separately.

So, compared to regular GW prices, yeah, it's a VERY good deal.

While I agree that it looks like a good deal overall (that I incidentally have no interest in), you need to compare apples to apples and not monopose plastics versus fully customizable plastics or even worse versus boutique customizable resin sets. The best comparison would be with the current 40k starter set to see what if any the HH "tax" is for monopose marines and dreads.

Only the 2 characters and the dreadnought are mono-pose. The terminators and the tactical marines are all multi-part models, not mono-pose.

Edit: 30 second ninja.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

Anyone have an idea what a good patern of bolter to go with this would be? I want to switch a few out for variety. I'm thinking umbra ferrox. But I hate that scope

Ah ok, thanks guys!

jimkurtjimmy wrote:
Anyone have an idea what a good patern of bolter to go with this would be? I want to switch a few out for variety. I'm thinking umbra ferrox. But I hate that scope

Umbra, Phobos and Godwyn would be a nice mix. I would imagine the Legions would've still had quite a few Umbra pattern bolters still left in service even after they got the new armor marks/Tigrus bolters. I believe Godwyn pattern bolters were around during the HH but I'm not entirely sure. Phobos pattern bolters were still around well into the heresy.

 filbert wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

rtb02 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Only 38 models?

That's quite a lot for a 40k army supplement, but in terms of the board game, I don't know.

Also the current equivalent from marines would cost you £167.50 to get heresy equivalents for £95 is amazing!

Is it? Seems expensive to me. Maybe its because I don't quite get the "but HERESY" fuss?

Same here. It's the usual Dakka dichotomy at work. We get heaps of people complaining that GW release nothing but Marines and how boring that is but suddenly they release a slightly different sort of Marine, like Malibu Stacy's hat, and all of a sudden people are falling over themselves to pay for an overpriced box set, all the time justifying it by comparing the price to the hugely inflated FW prices and convincing themselves it is some sort of bargain.

I have to confess, I just don't understand it but each to his/her own I guess.

It's not hard to understand: for a lot of people, Heresy-era in general/Heresy Marines in particular are the only thing GW still produce that's worth anything to them.

Specialist Games are gone, real Fantasy is gone, AoS is a trainwreck, 40K becomes more bloated every year and has adopted a style of army construction and general approach to balancing(ie, none) that some people really dislike.

That doesn't mean they don't still like GW's IPs, so when presented with a game that lets them explore a famous historical period of one of those IPs, with rules and background written very much in the style & tradition of "old GW", and now with a way of building armies for that system (comparatively)cheaply and in plastic, they're excited. None of that is inconsistent with holding the view that GW's focus on endless variations of SM in 40K was a problem for that game system(and to be fair to GW...*urk*, 'scuse me, just boaked a little...to be fair to GW that's been less of an issue recently).

 TheCustomLime wrote:

jimkurtjimmy wrote:
Anyone have an idea what a good patern of bolter to go with this would be? I want to switch a few out for variety. I'm thinking umbra ferrox. But I hate that scope

Umbra, Phobos and Godwyn would be a nice mix. I would imagine the Legions would've still had quite a few Umbra pattern bolters still left in service even after they got the new armor marks/Tigrus bolters. I believe Godwyn pattern bolters were around during the HH but I'm not entirely sure. Phobos pattern bolters were still around well into the heresy.

Their hand is moulded onto the gun so Phobos will be a pain in the bum to do, but Godwyn (from normal marines) should work (and there's marines with Godwyn bolters in the FW HH books).

It's not hard to understand: for a lot of people, Heresy-era in general/Heresy Marines in particular are the only thing GW still produce that's worth anything to them.

True. HH is very playable. Use the missions in the HH books. Very smooth and balanced games. Fun to use the Primarchs.

Ah forgot about the hand on the gun part. I will probably just stick with the bolters it comes with then and save that pain for just the special weapons. What about legion shoulder pads from forgeworld? Will those be compatible? Or is the size slightly different

jimkurtjimmy wrote:
Ah forgot about the hand on the gun part. I will probably just stick with the bolters it comes with then and save that pain for just the special weapons. What about legion shoulder pads from forgeworld? Will those be compatible? Or is the size slightly different

It speaks nothing against compatibility.

They are the same scale as GW marines so they will be compatible will 40k marine stuff. (I managed to get my hands on a single marine out of the box). I just don't own any forgeworld to compare it to.

Playing Death Guard, so I really wish FW would release separate arms for the shoulder-mounted heavy weapons.

nudibranch wrote:
Playing Death Guard, so I really wish FW would release separate arms for the shoulder-mounted heavy weapons.

They do.

Here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Heavy-Weapons-Set

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Special-Weapons-Pack

Pretty much all your options except autocannons

 angelofvengeance wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Playing Death Guard, so I really wish FW would release separate arms for the shoulder-mounted heavy weapons.

They do.

Here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Heavy-Weapons-Set

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Special-Weapons-Pack

Pretty much all your options except autocannons

Those either contain 1 of each heavy weapon (and only has 4), or only two heavy weapon arms, neither of which is that much use in 30k outside of veteran squads. Paying £12 on top of £13 for the specific weapons when I want just for 5 heavy weapons is too steep for me.

nudibranch wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Playing Death Guard, so I really wish FW would release separate arms for the shoulder-mounted heavy weapons.

They do.

Here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Heavy-Weapons-Set

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Special-Weapons-Pack

Pretty much all your options except autocannons

Those either contain 1 of each heavy weapon (and only has 4), or only two heavy weapon arms, neither of which is that much use in 30k outside of veteran squads. Paying £12 on top of £13 for the specific weapons when I want just for 5 heavy weapons is too steep for me.

The auto cannons fit in normal arms and you get two sets of missile launchers per 10 marines. (Meaning 6 in total)

 Lockark wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

nudibranch wrote:
Playing Death Guard, so I really wish FW would release separate arms for the shoulder-mounted heavy weapons.

They do.

Here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Heavy-Weapons-Set

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Space-Marine-Special-Weapons-Pack

Pretty much all your options except autocannons

Those either contain 1 of each heavy weapon (and only has 4), or only two heavy weapon arms, neither of which is that much use in 30k outside of veteran squads. Paying £12 on top of £13 for the specific weapons when I want just for 5 heavy weapons is too steep for me.

The auto cannons fit in normal arms and you get two sets of missile launchers per 10 marines. (Meaning 6 in total)

The autocannon/volkite culverin/rotor cannon/heavy bolters are fine, it's the shoulder mounted weapons (missile launcher/lascannon/plasma cannon/multimelta) that are the problem. And from what I can see on the sprues, the plastic kit only contains one missile launcher (and one heavy bolter), so that's 3 ML in the set.

All of the Forge World weapons are a bit of a problem - they were made to be compatible with the old plastic marines who had hands on their *arms*, the heresy plastics have the hands on the gun instead so you've got a bit of tedious cutting and gluing required to use them.

The closest comparisons for the box are Deathstorm and Stormclaw as both contained regular multi-part models with the exception of exclusive monopose characters for both. Both were priced at £75 but were in the £120-£150 range for individual component.

I've been looking all week at upgrading my PC, thinking I was done with GW for the rest of this year at least

 Gashrog wrote:
All of the Forge World weapons are a bit of a problem - they were made to be compatible with the old plastic marines who had hands on their *arms*, the heresy plastics have the hands on the gun instead so you've got a bit of tedious cutting and gluing required to use them.

The closest comparisons for the box are Deathstorm and Stormclaw as both contained regular multi-part models with the exception of exclusive monopose characters for both. Both were priced at £75 but were in the £120-£150 range for individual component.

I know. I was thinking of using these guys cause I wanna run Imperial Fists with Lotsa Heavy support guys, but the Auto cannons/Everything else will require me to Cut the hand off.

Box confirmed to be 95Pounds so 150$-ish, that make a 125euros.

Looks good, more like a relic contemptor than a normal one.

I think if you do some Hacksawing, you can easily make the loadouts Variable.

 warboss wrote:
Looks good, more like a relic contemptor than a normal one.

Yeah, it looks better in that picture than previous ones.